Alpha and Omega

Okay, bear in mind, this is an Indian startup company partnership with a relatively independent American studio, so they don’t have as many resources, expertise or experience as the big boys. If I was told Dreamworks or Blue Sky had made this, I would be critical, because from their previous films it was clear they had the assets and resources (not to mention the budgets) to pull off more convincing-looking simulations/characters/background sets. I’m willing to condemn Shrek Goes Fourth/Forever After/The Final Chapter/4 because I know they have the capability to do better from films like KFP and HTTYD. This is their first animated film, so I think we should give these guys a break in the animation department (And in case you checked, I did mention I can overlook the ‘Spyro graphics’ in my previous post).

Secondly, I have mentioned this before, but the Newt argument doesn’t fly here. I did a little rant in the ‘What the heck is this?!’ thread that there’s some hypocrisy going on here about criticizing Rio and Alpha and Omega for having similar plots to Newt. This may be true, but it’s not a valid argument against it. For all we know, they could’ve gone into production at the same time (Surf’s Up for example, was decried as a Happy Feet rip-off, even though both simultaneously went into production). And really, Pixar doesn’t have a monopoly on originality, I can cite a couple of examples where Pixar directors may have been ‘inspired’ by previous movies, indirectly or not.

Brad Bird for example, said some people asked him if he had watched Watchmen while making Incredibles. Andrew Stanton has also been asked similarly about Short Circuit while making Wall-E. And Pete Docter actually said he conceived the idea for Up while doing the English dub of Howl’s Moving Castle, and after watching Fitzcarraldo.

The only thing I’m going to berate about Alpha and Omega is the juvenille humour, but after the ‘lincoln log’ joke in the Toy Story 3 trailer, I think I can say Pixar is not immune to it either.

I’d have to see more footage to be convinced, since the character relationships are in place, and the storyline’s okay. Yes, they could do with less cornball humour. But I’m not writing them off just because they’re the ‘underdog’ of the industry (pun unintended).

I’m sorry for the rant, but I’m no above accepting other films on their own merits.

You can colour me equally unimpressed. Shame, really. How often do we see animated movies in which wolves actually get to be the heroes? The only other one I can think of is Balto, and since the hero there was technically a wolf/dog hybrid, I’m not sure if it fully counts.

The animation was really the least of my concerns. I also think comparisons to Pixar’s allegedly shelved Newt are kind of irrelevant - because really, everything about this looks like a cliche, Newt or not, and it doesn’t exactly take a whizz to work out where this particular storyline is heading. This would be a lot less important if the characters and humour looked like they might be engaging and fun to spend 80 odd minutes with, but alas - the characters feel like stereotypes, and most of the gags in that trailer seemed to revolve around the male wolf’s bladder control. Plus, I kind of automatically have to downgrade a trailer by a few points when I can guess in advance exactly which popular song it’s going to use. Personally, I love Duran Duran, and the song in question happens to be a favourite of mine - but c’mon, it’s a little too obvious, isn’t it?

It could be that the film itself is actually a lot better, and just the victim of a dodgy marketting campaign, but this isn’t exactly a good first impression. That’s all I have to say for now.

Aw man, my best friend will love this! She’s obsessed with wolves! Looks interesting, can’t wait to learn more about it!

Exactly! I can forgive the lacklustre animation (cos’ they’re fledging studios), and there’s not really a copyright on the ‘bickering couple who take a road trip but fall in love’ storyline. Yes, it’s predictable, but it’s the journey that counts, and I enjoy the relationship progression aspect the best for that kinda movie.

Not really… I did like the characters (though not as much as the ones for say, Megamind or Rio). I do have to agree the bladder joke was pretty weak (pun unintended).

Me too! 80s FTW! But yeah, a tad predictable song choice, too.

Again, motion seconded. :slight_smile:

Haha, maybe you should tell her about it. I do hope it lives up to her standards, though…

Eh? Oh, I did not know that it was still a new company, my bad. I just don’t like the designs, but that doesn’t mean they’re bad xD

And really, the fact that DeviantART has an annoying overpopulation of wolf art doesn’t help either…

What’s wrong with The Black Cauldron :question: :question: :question: :question: That was such a cool movie, though. :cry: :cry: If it was bad, they would be making more like that. Will this film be surfacing in America? Because I’ve never heard of that Romeo thing. Also, I’ve somehow missed The Secret of Kells, and a number of intriguing animated pictures I really wanted to see… :cry:

Read, not watched; It was a comic book mini-serial in the 80’s first. It only got turned into a movie back in, what, 2008?

Seems like this Omega character is going to have quite a few bladder problems.

Chao, I believe Watchmen was released in 2009.

Yeah, your right. Thanks for correcting me on that. :slight_smile:

Anyway, Balto was a movie with Wolves (or at least a Wolf hybrid and a Phantom-Snow-Wolf Thing) done right. Not saying that Alpha and Omega will turn out to be cra-I mean crud, but I’m usually weary of films distributed by Lionsgate for the most part.

MUHBAD. :slight_smile:

I really do hope that Alpha and Omega has something more to its lacklustre trailer… though I’m not really confident that it’s gonna be particularly thought-provoking in any way. Unless, by thought-provoking, we mean annoying jokes about incontinence. :stuck_out_tongue:

Yeah I just watched the trailer. I’m not liking the animation, character design, or lame jokes.

Besides, I think wolves are overrated as well, as well as the storyline… I mean, I’d rather see that story with parrots, or newts. (hint hint)

I have to say I am surprised that wolves don’t show up much in animation, what with all those wolfaboos around…

Badger: What are wolfaboos?

Oh, and they’re getting a lot of screentime in the Twilight saga recently, though technically they’re humans for the other half of the movie…

But yeah, for a pretty popular animal in fanart (not to mention Native American art), there’s been a dearth of good wolf movies. The closest ones I can think of are Balto and some parts of ‘Dances with Wolves’.

Newts… zero screentime. Parrots… well, there’s Paulie and a couple of comedy movies that escape me… but yeah, real excited for Rio and if Pixar is up for it, Newt as well.

Wolfaboos: people who praise wolfs in the most absurd of ways and constantly think they’re the only animal on earth

but I still think Twilight ruins everything xD

LOL Wolfaboos. :laughing: Never seen Twilight, so I couldn’t say anything about that. Wolves are ok.

Doesn’t look like a movie I would want to see. That picture actually looks kinda creepy. It’s a zombiewolf! :open_mouth:

New character posters:

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I’m afraid they lack ‘bite’ (sorry, couldn’t resist making a pun too). :slight_smile:

I’m scared. This will ONLY increase the numbers of Wolfaboos and tarnish the “true image” of REAL wolves even more.
And there’s something about that goose…in a movie with wolves…that would probably be Russian…Boris’ long-lost cousin, much :unamused: ?

Yeah, I thought so, too! Kinda sad Mr Hopper had to go out this way, but I’m still looking forward to his V.O. performance! :slight_smile:

“Quick, look behind you!” :laughing:

Official website up. You can see how much they’re trying to plug the 3D aspect by the URL alone. :unamused:

Grrrrl power? Really?

I’m not impressed with those posters. Ugh, those catchlines are so corny!

And I still think the designs look ugly D: They’re not bad though. I just… why human hair? Movie-maker-dudes, for references, use wildlife websites, not DeviantART Sparkledogs’ clubs!