Probably because you like an unsaid action-packed Disney cartoon featuring a poor girl named Tiana?
Ha, thatâs true Virginia! That, and Iâve been to Louisiana too!
Oh, I remember that, now.
I havenât
Lousiana has more stake really because of the accents in the trailer, they sound from that area apparently rather than Florida. They COULD be people born in Lousiana who moved to Flroida⊠but thatâs a little less likely.
Oddly itâs also been pondered on the basis of the architecture in Booâs bedroom (very high ceilings) that Boo lives at or near New Orleans I believe⊠which would be interesting.
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I kind of think an anvil would be too Tex Avery myself. While I do think Monsters are certainly âhardierâ than humans they still can get hurt and killed, and thatâs why weâre scared for many of the characters when theyâre in trouble. Theyâre not completely impervious after all either physically or emotionally. Thatâs what makes them good characters.
And I do subscribe to the idea myself that Randall could not have been that ready to kill or to hurt and to have gotten hired in the process. It occurred over time in my view, and a long project on top of a full time job can add to that among other things.
But without getting too off topic here because once again, I feel itâs more how it reflects on the protaganists really that the action of exile should be debated upon. It shouldnât matter whether Randall is redeemable or not in the case of that argument. Randallâs actions however do mean the action is more understandably tempting, but it doesnât really interfere much with moral debate since it was at best overkill and there would have been other options. A simple shot of Randall tied up, and later when itâs all over him in the back of the CDA truck is kind of needed instead. Even a scene however where they contemplate the idea of exile but decide not to do it would have been pretty powerful. I mean it could have worked pretty well really. Because while I hate how most media handles the topic of revenge it CAN be handled well and tastefully when it comes to showing how while itâs something we can all desire, itâs ultimately not really worth it.
I think a point to be made in reality is that yes Randall is a person. Theyâre all people, and the the thing is they have a society it seems on the same level as modern day America despite the inhabitants odd appearance. A major difference however is they have contact with another inhabited world (ours) and they (mistakenly) seem to believe we do not have their level of sentience which they use as a resource (given how Sulley and Mike treat her like sheâs a puppy, Randall and Mike call her âitâ among other things).
But in the end they are people like us (once again despite their appearance) despite the mistake they make in that regard. They all are.
For instance, what makes Waternoose ultimately scary to me has little to do with his appearance. I mean sure when heâs chasing after Sulley and scrapping at the door, yup thatâs pretty scary. But ultimately what makes him scary is the fact heâs a parental figure who turns on the person who looked to him like a father. Someone who trusted him on that level. Maybe even loved. Heâd probably be just as scary if they were all humans and he was too. Because thatâs kind of the ultimate fear as it were for some. Someone who you rely on at that level, someone you trust enough to go to when youâre in trouble turning on you when you got in the way.
Waternoose isnât really a very loyal person in the end. Not even to Randall. But thatâs not the major problem, the problem is that he can trick you into thinking he is at first. His loyalty is to the company and himself. Other people are expendable. Itâs an odd thing but itâs almost something he could share with the CDA. They have their own ultimate aim (protecting the monster world) and if something interferes with that big picture theyâll want rid of it, and if it means expending extra effort which would result in something that doesnât meet that aim they probably wonât do it. The CDA are not particulary evil, and theyâre not someone who would do a torture session for the âevulzâ but if they though it went towards their aim, they wouldnât hesitate much.
In the end all the characters are not really anything less than being on the level of humans who âlook weirdâ which is something ultimately powerful in this movie. Because thatâs literally what these characters are like to me. Theyâre like us or people we know or have at least heard about.
They just look a little different thatâs all.
Any lawyer or judge or jury would disagree heartily with you. To use the âself defenseâ excuse, the individual you harm MUST still be attacking YOU, and you MUST have no other recourse to stop the attack, AND you MUST use only the appropriate amount of force necessary to stop the assault on you. This clearly was NOT the case with Randall at ALL. Randall was already under Sulleyâs complete control, and was no longer capable of attacking anyone whosoever. He had completely stopped resisting and was at Sulleyâs mercy. Furthermore, from a legal and ethical perspective, Mike and Sulley had to have taken some time to plot as to what to do with Randall, and to bring down one of the doors. I have no doubt whatsoever that they KNEW that there were humans at home, awake, on the other side of that door, and therefore it would be a reasonable assumption that if they threw Randall inside, heâd be attacked, and seriously injured if not killed by those humans. Again, in a legal/ethical sense, this is NOT âself-defenseâ at all, in no way, shape or form. It does constitute what is known as âLYNCHINGâ, which means two or more individuals dole out physical punishment, or cause harm to be done to, someone they determine to be guilty of a crime, without the benefit of due process, I.e. a trial by a jury of the accusedâs peers. It is a clear-cut case of vigilante âjusticeâ, which is a perversion of what the term âjusticeâ means. It was an act of revenge, as well. Is THIS what Pixar wants their viewers to come away with-thinking that itâs OK to get even with those who do us wrong, to âhit 'em back harderâ than they hit us, with disregard to the law? That is certainly what YOU obviously believe in, is it not?
Iâd bet my next five paychecks, that if you continue to hold this belief, you will wind up a criminal yourself within the next decade. As a veteran teacher who has nearly 30 yearsâ experience, Iâve seen that very thought pattern land my former students behind bars too many times. Itâs the very core of the âgangstaâ culture-someone does you wrong, you do THEM wrong three times worse. By far the overwhelming motive for murder is REVENGE-getting even with someone whoâd done you wrong. Juries and judges could care less, though, if that person did something to YOU first, if your retaliation causes them to wind up dead or badly injured. I can guarantee even a rookie lawyer, hired to prosecute Mike and Sulley, would get the book slammed on both of them, and if Randall DID die as a direct result of their actions and planning, it would constitute First Degree Murder, a capital offense in many states. They would be no different than 99% of the murderers sitting on death row. Many of those people killed because their victims had early harmed them in some way, but again, that doesnât matter from a legal/ethical perspective. A First-Degree Murder charge trumps an ATTEMPTED Murder, or Assault and Battery(in most places, for a charge of âAttempted Murderâ, a deadly weapon must be involved) charge any day, any place.
My goal, as an adult and an educator, is to make KIDS THINK, instead of âgoing offâ based solely on emotions. THAT is the problem here; people just react, and it is largely based on a hatred of what Randall IS rather than what he DID.
Let me present THIS for YOU to think about, Evangeline. Suppose you and I get into a fight-not an argument, but a knock-down, slobber-knocker of a fist fight, and I win. BUT, Iâm not done with you yet. Simply beating you up and gaining control over you is not enough. I want REVENGE for you having hurt me, and I want to make sure you wonât ever try to hurt me again, so I haul you up to an interstate overpass, and, while you are begging for mercy, through you over it into the path of oncoming cars, where you are struck by a vehicle. Now, [i]I[/i] wasnât driving that car, so would I be guilty of muder, or at least, attempted murder?
Iâll await your answer.
By the way, I have Jr. High students, including those with âspecial needsâ, in my classes, people aged 12-15, sometimes a tad older. I do not excuse them from having to think. I push and push them to do so and consider the ramifications of their actions because I see so many of them who have fallen prey to that âgangstaâ way of thinking, that revenge is a good thing, the way to settle things. I donât do this for the sake of arguement, but to make yâall THINK about what youâre really saying. Apply what you say about someone else to yourself and realize that it could very, very easily be YOU who is in Randallâs place at some point, having chosen a wrong path and finding yourself in too deep. It happens. Donât think for one nanosecond that youâre above it or too good for it. If you could substitute a family member for Randall-same situation, different person-how would you want THEM treated?
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Whoa, whoa, calm down. I never necessarily said thatâs what I believe, I was just saying that was most likely Mike and Sulleyâs thought process. If I were truly in that situation, Iâd probably more or less try to talk the person out of it. It really depends, seeing that Iâm not in that situation right now.
WHAT IN THE⊠STOP IT NOW! AND DONâT TRY SOME FANCY KNOW HOW ON ME! WE HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS DONâT NEED YOU TELLING US WHAT TO DO!!! SO BACK OFF! YOUR NOT OUR PARENTS SO STOP IT!
Youâre replies are really excessive, PBL. You need to stop writing novels to us about how weâre ever so wrong and youâre the only right one.
I know I said I wasnât going to post anymore but that didnât stop me from reading.
You seem to be going off for no reason. What you do in your life has nothing to do with Monsters Inc so why do you bring it up? I know, youâre trying to teach us a lesson, but you donât have the right to. We arenât your students, we arenât your kids, we are other people on the internet with our own opinions. So you need to calm down.
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Hey, hey, seriously, everybody, chill out. pitbulllady, honestly, itâs just a movie, and this is a discussion thread, not a classroom. Also, you all shouldnât use caps, because itâs considered yelling.
pitbulllady, I know what youâre saying. But from the start Randall knew he was going to kidnap innocent children. This is never right, and when you get invovled in this, there is no where else to go but down hill. He wasnât in over his head. He knew exactly what he was doing, and he went along with Waternoose. Heâs not innocent at all.
Like I said, Sulley and Mike didnât kill Randall. They, in their own way, banished him. There is no killing invovled. He wasnât mudered, or run over by a truck. Heâs probably alive and still plotting.
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No iâm kidding i just realized I had the caps on whoops sorryâŠ
haha, Annnnd⊠the mods donât like it.
pitbulllady, though I understand and even agree with what youâre saying, you need to calm down in the manner in which you say it. You could make all the points youâve made without being so strong and forceful, so please tone it down.
mopar5, using all caps in a post and then following that by another post with a repeated figure is considered spamming. Please donât do this in the future.
Everyone, please calm down. If this conversation isnât toned down a bit weâll have to lock it up, which would be a shame. Be considerate in how you speak to others and remember that everyone has different viewpoints. Thank you.
Sorry all⊠truly am.
We know, Garrett
Sorry about the tone in that one I posted a little bit agoâŠ
Whomever said this, I thank you, you have no idea how long Iâve wanted to say those very words on here but feared that retaliation would occur both here and elsewhereâŠyou are officially awsome. AlsoâŠitâs funny how self defense works, do you know that in the state of Texas, you have the right to defend yourself by bearing arms if you feel threatened when someone comes onto your property or in other words, you can shoot first and ask questions later if you get my meaningâŠjust a little factoid Iâm throwing out there because this law in my state does refer to self defense and trust me, it has defended a good many in courts where they win because they did feel threatenedâŠjust saying is all.
That was me, haha.
[size=84]OFT: Wait, wait⊠youâre from Texas too? =D[/size]
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On Topic: I think Randall got what he deserved. He was corrupted by greed and jealousy, so if he had a change in heart if talked to, it would have to be a large change, or a new plotline for MI:2, Randallâs Revenge