Please,
pitbulllady, calm down. I agree with you, but Mitch is only voicing her opinion, and if she finds Randall creepy,
then it’s not our right to change her opinion. It’s just what she thinks. I agree with you, but I respect
Mitch’s opinion on the matter.
pitbulllady - (sigh) Ok, you win. I give up. 
But before I officially
leave this thread for a decent amount of time…
Remember when you mentioned that there are two main paths
to releasing one’s anger? Well, I fit the “implosion” part…so I can sort of relate to Randall there.
However, Randall, it seems, is a bit of both: “implosion” and “explosion” (the latter comes
later in the film) – heh.
The Trailer - Who says that Randall would have
been killed? If people consider him a threat, then sure…they may kill him. He already got “shoveled”
pretty badly, and the woman who hit him didn’t even take time to realize that Randall was definitely
not a 'gator. Heh.
After Randall’s “trailer beating”, he would
probably have just gotten thrown out of the trailer and left to fend for himself. Either that, or the people
would realize that he is not an animal, call the authorities, and have him shipped off to a laboratory or a zoo
or something. Randall’s only chance of getting out of a tight situation like that would be to either fight back
or talk to his captors, the latter of which he probably wouldn’t do unless he got desperate.
Last-minute note - When I describe an animal or a person as
“creepy”, I mean that he/she does not come to my liking/suit me, so to speak. I would rather stay away
from that being than to rub shoulders with him/her. I am not saying that that particular person/animal is
disgusting or revolting or any of those other qualities that you mentioned; no, quite the contrary! As a matter
of fact, I think Randall is quite cool-looking and a rather amazing specimen. (No,
not specimen as to be tested on, but specimen as in a beautiful creature of/in
nature).
And, if I may, would it be alright if I asked you a question,
pittbulllady?
lizardgirl - Heh – it’s alright.
People get on my case all the time…so I’m used to it. If you can’t beat em’, join 'em. Heh…
But
thank you, lizardgirl. Thank you very much. I really appreciate your consideration. Seriously, I feel like my
brain is going to explode from all these discussions…
I’ve been to Louisiana, I
have friends in Louisiana. I’ve eaten Nutria(giant water rats) and alligator(The Other White Meat) in
Louisiana, and seen people eat road-killed armadillo and 'possum and raccoon, NOT because they could not afford
anything else, but because they wanted to eat that. Trust me-those people in that trailer in the bayou would
have absolutely NO intention of throwing out a potential meal the size of Randall Boggs! The whole purpose
behind Pixar making an effort to show us that this was in Louisiana, from the background to the kid’s unmistable
Cajun accent, was to make us believe that Randall was in serious danger of becoming the main ingredient in a big
pot of “Gator” jambalaya. Barring Divine Intervention on his behalf, which I would surely love to
believe happened, Randall was gonna become those people’s next meal. Trust me-if what people believe is a
“gator” shows up in someone’s dwelling in the bayou, that’s like manna from Heaven, better than
having Pizza Hut delivery! If a good month’s worth of free meat is delivered to your house, you are NOT going
to throw it out, unless you’re a vegetarian, and those are VERY few and far between in Cajun Country!
Randall’s only hope, as I said, would be that the women would somehow come to her senses and realize that he was
NOT a 'gator or just some sort of animal, but a sentient being, and that she’d spare him and get him some
proper medical care for what had to be a nasty blunt-force trauma head injury, not to mention a possible broken
jaw, spinal/kidney injury and injured eye, based on where we actually see that shovel connect. That woman and
that kid did not appear to be the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree, though, so it would really be a stretch
for them to have suddenly made that leap of logic unless, as I said, it was literally a case of some Guardian
Angel having a soft spot for purple scaly monsters. Given the choice between being shipped off to a vivisection
lab and being slowly tortured to death with scalpels and needles and being killed and eaten on the spot, though,
I personally would prefer becoming jambalaya, and as bad as I hate to think of Randall becoming those trailer
people’s next meal, I would hate even worse to think of him being turned over to a lab.
pitbulllady
The first thing you said, that’s the
only point of view almost everybody argues from. Some people (no, not Mitch) don’t
bother to take the time to stop for a second and think a little more into it before hammering away at their
keyboards and posting about what they only see on the screen. It might take a bit more maturity to start seeing
things, or people, under a different perspective. They need an idea of how everything really works out there and
how people really DO act and why. Like I said, I really don’t expect Mitch, or anyone else, to start buying into
everything said in this discussion and start thinking alike for the sake of avoiding conflict. It’s just a
discussion and I see nothing wrong with anything PBL said, IMO. If anything, this thread would be incredibly
BORING without the lengthy discussions, which I think are about to die down anyway.
pitbulllady - So Randall might become somebody’s
main course on the dinner table? That’s…horrible. My gosh – the poor
guy…
DoubleLatte - True that. Heck, I don’t – like you previously stated
– expect myself to immediately change my views about Randall just because of some thread on the matter. Yes, I
will definitely think twice about the guy once I watch Monsters Inc., but I don’t
think that I will ever see him in the “beautiful” light that you all see him in.
You can be
sure that I will respect Randall more though, that’s for sure…
And yes, I agree with you,
DoubleLatte. This thread would be extremely drab if all of these discussions hadn’t
been here. It seems like they better die down, too, before someone blows a gasket. (I’m refering to myself
here… Heh.)
Oh, gosh no! No, I don’t see Randall in a “beautiful” light.
Haha! Maybe it’s just me and my lack of poetic views, but utilizing that term to refer to anyone,
particularly a guy like Randall, would sound a little cheesy and over-the-top for
someone like me, who avoids that manner of expression like the plague. Like any other fan who also happens to be
a girl, I just think he’s hawt, intelligent, and interesting, personality-wise and
physically.
Phew…now I’m starting to
wonder if these posts are getting longer heh.
Mitch
I do take them into
consideration…but I would like you not to be as…“firm” in your conviction toward my pal Ran.
Although we haven’t discussed everything yet, I can see how that view won’t change too quickly.
I am
male and also of young age, though I have considerably more knowledge about the monster world and magic than
most, so that part does not concern me. In terms of Ran, I do consider him a friend. But the fact that we state
he is NOT a saint shows we know he has faults. Just not as many as people say.
Consideration: That’s why
discussions are made, to discover what you did not know.
Creep Out:
I know this is AT FIRST GLANCE for
you, and you have gathered some info on him along this, but I’ll just go over it from one to one.
Power
Hungy: Ran’s not power-hungry, he just wants to prove himself. All through his life being said he would not
amount to anything just forced him to want to prove that wrong. Scareing is a repsectable job and, in terms of
work-force, average. Randall, at the time of his employement, only wanted to be a scarer.
Unrelenting: Is
that really such a bad term? Is it a crime to be persistant? Persistant to live out the "Great Monstropolis
Dream"?
Vain: Who isn’t vain nowadays?
Rude: Well alright he can be rude, though he does use
dry humor. But it’s not like rudeness is something you can put up with.
Unpredictable: Well I see your
problem there.
Personally I wouldn’t be shocked if Randall or any monster came at me. I’ve dealt with
them before, they’re not a threat to me.
Well you two could start there. If you knew what he went through
in life you would be very sorry for him…
Pitbulllady
(Boy it’s a bug
when you reply to a reply 
)
One: True. Even though there are millions of humans, don’t recall the
percentage of children, if the machine was lethal then the scream collection would slowly dwindle till
Monstropolis is a dark city.
Well two years can be rather long. Remember that nearly all the parts were of
factory equipment. Though we’ll get to that on another time.
Anyone here recall of a genius being used to
create something and not get credit?
Two: I still stick to Randall thinking Sullivan was cheating to keep
up in the tallies. As for Ran’s immaturaty, yes he can be that at times, which shows you a small glimpse at his
true nature.
Three: You mean Sullivan at the end of that right. And yeah. What kind of heroes are that.
Reminds me of the story of Beowulf and Grendel. Though description Grendel was a dragon. In the battle to free
the city of Grendel, Beowulf tore Grendel’s arm off…yet still let the dragon live…
Though then again
the legends did tell of him taking the then-dead Grendel’s head off…but that’s another part.
Four: No
no…ugh…Pitbulllady I was talking about FUNGUS. NOT Randall.
Five: That a fact?
Six: Well he
KNOWS he’s better at Scareing than Sullivan is, but that wouldn’t count as vain since it’s true.
There
we go.
Personally I might feel that…but I figure in fighting the biggest “one in charge”,
Fate, myself.
True ture…
Mitch
Extractor:
Good.
Handshake: Remember. Randall was Top Scarer before Sullivan. Probably even taught the big lug a
thing or two about Scareing. At that time at least they were on mutual ground (Randall and Sullivan, not
Wazowski).
When Randall could not…“seem” to ever get back up, he slowly began to question things.
At the time of making the Extractor, with the added stress, his darker side began to convince his concience that
Sullivan could ONLY KEEP (recall NOT beat, Randall didn’t expect it, but he probably wouldn’t mind Sullivan up
in the top for a day or two) by cheating.
Trailer: They’d want the first thought that came to their mind
take off.
His thoughts. I’ll tell you. “HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME!?”. And if he’d have the
strength bash the muddy ground with all force or break his knuckles on a tree trunk.
Randall’s pleading side
showed his other self, hoping that Sullivan and Wazowski would NOT do what they were going to do to him.
The
mere fact that they DID it brought out his dark side, telling him that “they were going to kill you”.
And from that, Randall would swear to kill them for what they did. "An Eye For An Eye Makes The World Go
Blind" is what they say. As Ran goes through his exhile, his struggle within himself is made. Wondering what
to do. Basically torn between the satisfation of revenge, and the relief of justice.
Factor: That is JUST
a factor Mitch. He feels like he CAN’T give himself a chance to cool down. Waternoose is hanging over him like a
shadow and he knows he can’t get away. One thing in his mind is probably looking for a loophole, a way to get
out, but every point he tries to find leads to a dead end.
Power Hungry: Power Hungry is part of the
darker side of our heart and personality. And although, as I explained earlier, Randall isn’t particuarly
“Power Hungry” he IS facing his darker side with all those traits.
Unpredictabilty: No. And I
would appreciate it if you would not consider them that, or my friend Randall either.
It’s a basic instinct
that humans view anything equal to their intellegence, in the back of their mind, as a threat on the food
chain.
If monsters are animals with unpredictable traits, the same can be said for
humans…
Lizard Girl
Nearly all the time (I know a Pete’s Dragon
referrance, being a Disney film, would be made so I said NEARLY), reptiles are precieved as vicious creatures of
the devil and TOOLS as such. Don’t believe me? Try Snakes on a Plane…that racist piece of crap.
Good
points made as to why there should be a sequel.
Pitbulllady
Your statement
right there “missing child is almost as bad, if not worse, than a dead one” is a prime statement that
would go with Banishment’s worse effect than death.
No, but I was.
Well Ran would stick it to
Waternoose IF he got the chance in Trial…makes you wonder if Waternoose did get away with a light setence
given tha Randall didn’t testify…
Called Implosive and Explosive. Explosive is the robber of a store
while Implosive is the cashier…remembered that film…good monk scene heh.
Yes survival would be the
instinctive choice…
Although now explained, and opinion hopefully changed, calling Monsters animals is
basically making yourself have the opinonativeness of the cavemen so long ago that threw the first punch that
caused Man and Mons to split.
It was Man who didn’t want to have peace with Mons. So if anyone is the animal
in such things, it is Man.
Apparently hit
the limit. Wow…there IS a limit…
Lizard Girl
Opinion changing isn’t
something that should happen. But what should happen is reflection and a person’s own change of their opinion on
a matter given facts and consideration, which is here.
Mitch
Hoping
that’s reflection time and not a leave because a matter seems to be forcing on you.
Unsure what
scientists and therapists call it, but I call it “The Bottle Effect”. What it is is that a person such
as Randall takes whatever comes to him. Insults, slanderus nicknames (“Lizard Boy”, which I’m sure
will come up later), and discrimination…and puts it inside a bottle to keep it locked in.
However, the lid
burst when everything seemed to be falling apart later near the end, when Randall’s dark side took over. You can
see the slight minaicle (word) look on his face as he grabs another door as they start to come into the Door
Vault. At that time, pure instinct turned on. “Got to get rid of them…”. But the faint voice of his
normal self calling “…but put the girl back”.
The Trailer: Randall was sent into the human
world…in a selected door…it’s pretty much a certainty…
Ha ha…I’ll let Pitbulllady handle, or
already handle, that in her post.
Note: In terms of this…from what’s been discussed
and…ugh…“seen on screen”…Ran is pretty much more famous than an average person…so at least
coming to terms with “who he really is” should at least be considered.
Sound like someone I know
Well that’s what discussions are. Some people may seem a bit…harsh or controversial in their
comments, but it shouldn’t be taken the wrong way.
Pitbulllady
And it’s
Goooood heh.
Doublelatte
If this is about opinions and such your doing a
good discussion. Personally those who, in terms of this discussion, have studied and gathered facts should at
least have their views taken into consideration. And yes, so should those others.
However…if a fact beats a
plain assumption…it’s not anyone’s fault.
Mitch
That’s how it
is…and even so…if a monster had been caught normally…I would not doubt that it would be experimented on in
a secluded site.
Immediate changes should not be made. But thinking twice is what we try to do, and hope
that seeing, as Ran, in a better light is possible once you’ve considered WHO that person is and WHAT they’ve
been through.
All we ask.
Heh…Think we’d run out of room before
that.
Double Latte
Ran may not have much who think him hot in his world,
but I guess he has plenty here heh.
Mitch-Yes, the people in the trailer were intending to EAT
Randall-that is what they do with “gators” in south Louisiana-eat them and skin them. It would not be
a bad thing at all for someone to wake up and find a 'gator in their home(or a rare thing, either, for that
matter)but an opportunity to pick up some free food and some extra cash either on the black market, or legally,
if you have a permit from the state to sell gator hides. Nobody is gonna waste a perfectly good dead alligator
in Louisiana, I can assure you!
Nexas-One particular genius inventor who
never got credit for his work and was overshadowed by his rival comes readily to mind. Go Googling for
“Nichola Tesla”, and see what I mean. I cannot HELP but to form an analogy between him and Randall!
Few people have ever heard of him, but everyone knows of his rival, Thomas Edison.
pitbulllady
new record for longest post me thinks 
Carry on and play nice - that’s all I have to say.
Nexas-I agree with you about
how reptiles are generally percieved, but I’m not sure the correct word for it is ‘racism’, as that sort of
implies that it’s about religion. I’m not entirely sure what the correct term would be,
though.
DoubleLatte- Yep, once again, agree. Randall is rough and ready, and
that’s what we Randall-fans have accepted. He’s nowhere near perfect, but there’s something endearing about
that very quality. I don’t think I could like him like I do if he had been developed as the character shown in
some of the later concept drawings, holding a walking stick, glass of champagne and wearing a waistcoat!
Snakes on a Plane wasn’t “racist”. Racism applies to discrimination or
prejudice based on race, i.e., African Americans, Hispanics, Asians, and so on.
Snakes on a Plane was a silly film that was supposed to be so bad and innacurate
that some people found it funny, if not profoundly mediocre for those who decided to take it seriously and
genuinely expected some entertainment value out of it. It’s the type of movie you go and watch at your own risk
(like Jackass) with your skater friends after hanging out outside the Circle K. Hey, those titles alone are fair
warning!
“Racism” has nothing whatsoever to do with a person’s religion, but
with how they look, as that relates to a particular race. If a White store owner refuses to sell merchandise to
Black people, THAT’S racism, even though some of those Black people might be Catholics, others Jewish, surely
some Protestants, and some perhaps claiming no particular religious faith at all. So yeah, in that respect,
Randall WAS subjected to racism because he belonged to a particular minority of monsters, distinguished by their
appearance-scaly and reptile-like-from other monsters. Racism and religious discrimination are two different
things, although people who tend to indulge in one are also likely to indulge in the other.
I’m glad that
Pixar went with the current design for Randall-a naive-yet-street tough “working Joe”, rather than
their original design. He was originally supposed to have been Irish(not merely of Irish decent and Irish
surname), with that bowler hat, bow tie, waist coat, etc., even a monocle in one early concept drawing I’ve
seen! I mean, that version was more of a scaly version of Mr. Herriman than the Randall so many of us have come
to love!
pitbulllady
Pitbulllady
True true…
Ah. So it HAS been done before. What a
shock…
Dash
Heh heh…we’ve got allot to say on the topic and allot to
back it up heh.
Lizardgirl
Well that comes up later…
Heh
heh…oh yes those heh…
Double Latte
FUNNY? Let me tell you a story. To
comemerate the film, nutsos let lose snakes in a…Phoniex theatre if I recall…
And recently someone smuggled
50 Monitor Lizards (One dead), 30 cobras, 21 viper cobras, 20 skinks, and two iguanas at the NAIA (Ninoy Aquino
International Airport). Some were in bags or 2-liter BOTTLES. Now whether this was smuggling OR a twisted tribute
to Snakes on a Plane, I don’t care. The firm statement is
enough.
Pitbulllady
Thanks for agreeing…I
think.
Other
As far as I’m concerned Racism goes with Race, which goes
with humanrace. Humans are intellegent, I’ll give them that, but they are STILL mammals and in a race category.
Thus, Racism DOES apply.
We’ve been through this before-as much as I love reptiles,
they are NOT A RACE! The term “racism” ONLY applies to different ethnic groups of HUMANS, in our
world, and since the monsters are the people of THEIR world, it would apply there, too. Being mammals does not
make us, or any other furry creature, a “race”, but a Order of the Animal Kingdom. The fact that all
humans are actually genetically related is what makes the whole concept of racism-hating other humans who happen
to look different, so messed up, since it’s not like hating something of an entirely different species, but
hating your own kind, really. It does not matter if one individual disagrees with that assessment, since just
because one person says that water is made up nitrogen and silica does not make it so.
The reptiles you
mentioned that were found at the airport had NOTHING to do with the movie [i]Snakes On a
Plane[/i]. This is an example of wide-spread animal smuggling, and busts like this take place every
single day in airports all over the world. People want exotic animals, and ironically, bans on the keeping,
breeding and private ownership of such animals makes the situation worse by creating that black market. More and
more often, live animals are being used as means to smuggle other things, too, like drugs. This has absolutely
nothing to do with that silly movie at all. And, there’s absolutely no such thing as a “viper cobra”.
That’s either a mistranslation of whatever language that news report was posted in originally, or a prime
example of how reporters get it wrong very often when it comes to animals.
Sorry to be off-topic, but that
matter had to be cleared up.
pitbulllady
Aw man – I
lost my title!
Back On-Topic:
DoubleLatte - Oh, ok. The “beautiful” factor is out then. My
mistake. (snigger)
Nexas - Yes, those are some good points. I will take them
into consideration the next time I watch Monsters Inc. for the one hundreth time.
pitbulllady - Coming right down to it, I wonder if Randall had wished that
he could have just kicked the bucket and gotten it all over with?
Looks like he doesn’t have much
of a way out after that trailer incident. However, you never know. Anything can happen. Personally, if a second
Monsters Inc. is made, I hope that Randall will be given a second chance in life.
That still doesn’t mean that I would like him to jump out of my closet though…
Pitbulllady
Recall Pitbulllady…Man and Mon aren’t that relatively
different…surely you remember that now right?
Well that’s opinionative…but how about the release
mentioned which was a “parody” of the movie?
Mitch
He probably would have…if he wasn’t
stubborn heh…
Heh heh…good…that was goal.
I still fail to grasp how the
similarities/differences between “Mans” and “Mons” have anything to do with whether or not
disliking a non-sentient type of animal is to be regarded as “racism”. While the bias against scaly
MONSTERS in their world IS a form of racism, because they would consitute an ethnic minority among other
monsters, and that bias most likely did originate from HUMANS’ ridiculous fears of animals in our world, animals
themselves still are not a “race”, nor do they have ethnic divisions among them. Releasing snakes in a
theater is STUPID, not only because of the likelihood of the snakes being harmed out of fear, but in that
particular case, these were VENOMOUS snakes, which had the capability of causing considerable harm to PEOPLE.
Whoever released the snakes obviously was not afraid of them, and very likely intended for someone to be bitten,
or at the very least, to cause a panic, so it seems to me that they were more biased against the people who were
in that theater, and that the snakes were simply tools for wrecking havoc, much like drug dealers using dogs that
they train to be vicious to slow down the police. It’s stupid, and callous, but it’s not racism, period,
unless of course, the majority of theater patrons were of a minority, then I could go with that act of releasing
venomous snakes among them, KNOWING that someone would likely be hurt, as being an act of
racism.
pitbulllady
You said that racism is between
ethnic groups. And Mons ARE part of it. There are your Whites (well…or coucasion (word), though have no idea if
that’s the same), your African Americans, and so on…and Mons. Although their outside and structure differs,
the solid fact is that they share the same common ancestor of humans.
Well perhaps to panic, but
installing fear into people is also a side-effect. Would wonder if NO ONE in that theatre would enjoy seeing
another thing with scales.
I still fail to grasp the logic behind
Mans and Mons and their respective ethnic divisions within having anything to do with Human World animals. The
Mons are not animals in the sense of being “lower” animals; they are the people of their world. A
Human World movie that portrays snakes, sharks, Doberman Pinschers, wolves, etc. as vicious killers out to
destroy us all may be horribly innacurate to the point of stupidity, and it does indeed play upon the ignorance
and stupidity of so many humans, but it’s still not “racist”! THAT is the point I’m trying to make,
NOT anything about how humans would now see the monsters if they met up again, or vice versa, or how monsters
treat each other, or how HUMANS treat each other.
Given the large number of humans who now keep and breed
reptiles, AND the fact that the snakes released into the theater, despite being potentially-dangerous animals,
were not killed, but captured alive, indicates that SOMEBODY in the theater must have at least been neutral about
them. I love snakes as much as anyone, but I can promise you that MY blood pressure would go up a notch or two
if I glanced down and floor and saw a RATTLESNAKE, rather than the usual popcorn and spilled soft drink, since
I’m very well aware of the potential for that animal to kill me, or do me some serious bodily harm, and I cannot
downplay that factor enough.
pitbulllady