Possible awards for WALL-E?

Pixar's Feature Films WALL•E
#141

My opinion is being misunderstood if people are perceiving that I didn’t like Wall-E or that I thought it failed in any way. Quite the contrary; I totally loved it. I just disagree with all the assertions out there that it’s bold and groundbreaking (in senses other than technical accomplishment). It isn’t a bad thing, by any means- a movie doesn’t have to be daring or commercially risk-taking to be excellent.

As far as discussion, I’m not out to offend anyone or be aggressive. It looks like wallefanatic was offended, so I’ll take it down a notch or three, but my aim was only to poke holes in the argument, not to cast judgment on its purveyor.

#142

You know what, that’s a pretty good point, miafka! I don’t think No Country for Old Men or other ‘artsy’ flicks will be remembered much (except in art circles), but others like Beauty and the Beast or Ratatouille etc. will remain popular classics. There are exceptions like Titanic or LOTR, but they’re few and far between. The Oscars is not the be-all or end-all.

doctorossi - Fair enough. I respect others’ different points of view too, and besides your contention was with wallefanatic, so I’ll keep my nose out of it, heheh.

Quite true! I have a few films that aren’t really film-critic material, but they’re my guilty pleasures!

#143

Biggest snub in Annie Awards history, WALL-E doesn’t win a single award.

variety.com/article/VR111799 … &nid=2562#

If anyone would like to make their voice heard, and let these guys know what we call awarding the sponsor that gives you the most money…here’s the email address from the website:

Gretchen@annieawards.org

#144

The Gold sponsors of the awards are DreamWorks, mytoons.com, and Nickalodean.

The Silver sponsors are Cartoon Network, 20th Century Fox, PIXAR, DisneyToon Studios, WaltDisney Animation, and Disney Television Animation.

The Bronze Sponsors are Autodesk, (Maya), imagi Studios, Laika, Sony Pictures Animation, Regent Releasing, Starz Animation, Film Roman, and ToonBoom.

The media sponsors are AWN, Cartoon Brew, and Animation Magazine.

The Supporting Organizations ate T.A.G., VES, and WIA.

So, no, PIXAR is not their biggest sponsor, but that doesn’t mean that they are awarding DreamWorks just because they donate more. Tell me then, why Studio Ghibli won for Spirited Away over PIXAR for Monsters, Inc. in 2002? Doesn’t PIXAR donate more? You see, that kind of logic doesn’t make any sense. Here’s why:

My opinion on this is that it is not the Annie Awards as a whole that is choosing what wins. It is all of the members of the International Animated Film Society, ASIFA-Hollywood. If you look at political elections, it is very rare that someone wins an election by the majority of the vote. I know of elections where the leader choosen has less than forty percent of the popular vote, and still a very strong minority government. This is because, like in the example of the Annie Awards, there could have been a fairly equal number voting for all of the parties, or in this case, all five of the very respectable films up there. It just so happened that Kung Fu Panda came out ahead.

The other thing is that going into these awards, I was guessing that Kung Fu Panda would sweep most of it’s categories. Not Best Animated Feature, but it doesn’t seem that shocking to me. WALL•E was more of a film than an animated film, and Kung Fu Panda does have a very animated feel.

And just so you know, I had rated WALL•E four stars, and Kung Fu Panda a strong three and a half.

I love WALL•E, but while this does surprise me that they walked away with nothing, I am not overly shocked or mad.

People voting from all over the place do not get together, and decide as a group to snub PIXAR, or push for DreamWorks. Everyone has an anonymous vote, so I am not going to e-mail anyone in charge, insisting that they bribed all of their voters with their biggest sponsor’s money. The person who would read that e-mail would not deserve that kind of anger from anyone.

  • C-3PO
#145

Well, I hope sponsor money doesn’t have anything to do with it, otherwise it sort of makes the awards invalid. I’m surprised that WALL-E didn’t win anything at the Annies, but there’s not much we can really do about it if that’s the way the votes went.

#146

The sponsor money is being mentioned at other sites on the web, but I will agree with C-3PO that it’s probably not important.

#147

Well, the majority of ASIFA voters might be bitter since Pixar has won non-stop since Nemo. Oh well, it’s their loss really because they’re the only awards that have snubbed WALL•E this bad (major minus for them.) I guess they have no respect for innovation and trying to get animation noticed for more than just kiddie films for the whole family. But I’m not angry or anything, just dissapointed.
There’s always the Oscars. :smiley:

#148

Now WALL-E is the underdog to win at the Oscars. :laughing:

Now I’m waiting for the biggest joke to come. Either it’s ASIFA, to be the only group to snub WALL-E totally, or it’s AMPAS, to follow ASIFA’s lead. :laughing:

#149

The Academy isn’t made up of members who pay a fee to join and vote, and isn’t sponsored by DreamWorks, so I think we can safely say that they will vote for the frontrunner, the one that has been the frontrunner all along. Heck, these in and of themselves are an argument for a Best Picture nomination, but they further the idea that WALL-E is going to win The Oscar no matter what this group does, because WALL-E is considered not only a great animated film, but a better film overall than Kung Fu Panda and many other of the year, live action or not:

Time Magazine - time.com/time/specials/2008/ … 7,00.html#

Los Angeles Film Critics Association - variety.com/VR1117997085.html

Boston Critics - (Tie) incontention.com/?p=3469

Toronto Critics - (Runner Up) - awardsdaily.com/?p=4957

The Onion A.V. Club - avclub.com/content/feature/t … _film_2008

Chicago Film Critics Association - chicagofilmcritics.org/

Lond Film Critics Awards - (Nomination for Best Pic, Not Yet Announced) - altfg.com/blog/awards/london … ards-2009/

Online Film Critics Society - awardsdaily.com/?p=6103

The Golden Tomatoes - rottentomatoes.com/guides/rtawards/wide/

#150

Edit: I think its only 4 nominations guys, which is still the most, after checking at the actual site. Here is where to look for the winners: filmmusiccritics.org/ Look for the winners on Feb 18th, a Wednesday.

Remember, Feb 8th, this Sunday, is the British Film Academy awards. The Best Picture and Best Actor categories are exactly the same as this Academy, but KFP isn’t even listed for animation in Britain.

#151

Grammy music awards tonite, Wall-E up for 3 of them!

Also, the British Film industry awards are on today.

#152

Wall•e won the BAFTA for Best Animated Feature, against Persepolis and Waltz with Bashir. Yay ! :smiley:

There’s something I don’t get though. How was Kung Fu Panda not even nominated, while being the best animated film of all times (say the annie awards) ? So strange…

#153

“Kung Fu Panda” is entertainment, “Persepolis” and “Vals Im Bashir” are movies, part of serious cinema.

#154

WALL-E has actually already won its Grammy, since those awards aren’t televised:

google.com/hostednews/afp…o90-f-8A2-CtiQ

It won for Best Original Song, Down to Earth. Too bad TDK took the Score award, I seriously can’t remember a single note from TDK’s score.

As for the BAFTA’s, I was annoyed that WALL-E didn’t even take Best Sound (c’mon, Slumdog over Ben Burtt, you’ve got to be kidding me?) but I was glad it took Best Animated Feature. Just goes to prove that its Oscar is still a lock, and no amount of DreamWorks trickery at The Annies can change that.

ETA: And Pixar Blog says Define Dancing won one as well! Holy crap!

#155

Maybe in your country they aren’t being televised, but Grammy’s were always televised here. The local Sunday papers were full of warnings about the awards tonite at the top of the newspapers, above the headlines. They said the awards would take hours and hours with a record number of performing acts, to attract viewers. Edit: oh, I see. The film oriented awards were given out pre-telecast.

I was very, very happy to hear that Wall•E nearly swept its 3 noms. Newman has been vindicated, no matter what happens at the Oscars. Too bad Ben Burtt wasn’t tonite, but then there is always Feb 22nd!

#156

I’m in the US. :stuck_out_tongue: I see you caught my meaning eventually, though, hehe.

And yes, Newman and Gabriel both have been vindicated for the snubs they’ve received so far this awards season, although it would take a win at The Oscars for me to feel Newman had been vindicated for all his past Oscar snubs.

#157

Because we like to watch good films over here. :laughing:

I’m pleased to hear that WALL-E won a Grammy for Best Original Song! I hope the same happens at the Oscars, to show that the soundtrack of WALL-E has been appreciated and recognised.

#158

Congrats on the Grammies and BAFTA, Wall-E!

I have some pretty troubling news courtesy of Wall-E Forum regarding “Down to Earth’s” chances at the Oscars. Pete Docter pulled out of the performance because he was cheesed-off regarding the Board’s decision to shorten the playing time to a medley with the other nominees.

Granted, Mr Docter’s anger is not unfounded, but IMO, he should not jeopardise Wall-E’s and Pixar’s chances over “getting back” at the Awards. After what they’ve done to him and Pixar, the honourable thing to do is to hold his head high, and deliver a stunning performance, irregardless of his length. I have to side him, though. I’m getting frustrated with the Academy’s blatant bias and politics nowadays. :frowning:

Here’s the link: incontention.com/?p=4506

#159

It is too bad that Peter Gabriel won’t be performing, although I can see why he would make that choice. They would have enough time for the whole song. That is just ridiculous on the Academy’s part.

  • C-3PO
#160

It’s very sad that Peter won’t be performing, and I do have to think that it may hurt WALL-E’s Best Song chances given how political The Academy can be. I support the idea behind his protest…but in practice he’s really not accomplishing much, since the only way to effectively send a message to The Academy would be for the Slumdog performers to also refuse…and I’m quite positive they won’t.

At least his “Gospel Choir” backup is going to take his place, according to Gabriel. But it will be nothing like hearing Peter belt it out himself.