Space Jam/Space Jam 2

Comedies are not the place for Grade actors, I personally think. Besides, MJ is a basket ball star, not a Hollywood A-lister. 8D

The combine stolen talents of the NBA players in the aliens is and will never be enough to be the greatest basketball player of all time.

Who is? I personally will always think Jordan is, but I don’t exactly [watch] basketball, somy opinion is worthless. :stuck_out_tongue:

Yeah, I’m the same way about sports myself since I’m not really into watching it either. I mean I’m sure I knew Michael Jordan as a kid, but I was always watching Space Jam as a Looney Tunes movie. That’s why it’s a little harder for me to watch it now when the film isn’t just a cartoon and the NBA has a lot more to do with the story and stuff. I’m the same way about Kingdom Hearts. That game has the Disney universe side to it which I’m very knowledgeable about, but at the same time it also has the Final Fantasy series which I know literally nothing about. So I would only be playing it cause of the Disney characters like Donald and Goofy.

I’m a fan of the Space Jam. It may be lame, and a bit corny. But I like it! It’s a fun movie!

Is there really going to be a sequel in 2012? Wow :open_mouth:

As for me, i don´t think i´ll see the movie since it´s pretty stupid for me now (but i loved the film when i was a child)

I remember seeing the 1st one in theaters. it’s odd and stupid but I like it. I may see. I think most 90s kids like it.

Is there really going to be a sequel in 2012?

Space Jam 2 is real! I found the trailer online!
youtube.com/watch?v=j71HTYEuos8

I’m sure you were aware that trailer was fake and are just making a joke about it. More than that, the animation is undoubtedly nowhere as good as the actual film. People in the animation world may differ about Space Jam, but at least it was coming out of some skilled artists and animators. I know not to expect that much out of fan-made parody videos like this one, just that if it were me I wouldn’t be putting my time into stuff that comes out so cheap looking.

Great, yet another lame CollegeHumor video.

Lame? College Humor is quite popular amongst hipsters.

I didn’t say that it wasn’t popular among hipsters. I still think that 90% of their videos are lame.

I’d have to agree with EJE here. I’ve mentioned in other threads since way back that I’m not a huge fan of their cynical brand of holier-than-thou humour.

The only thing I chuckled at was the exchange between Leborn and Foghorn:

Lebron: “The only player you got over 3 feet is this racist *ss chicken”

Foghorn: “Ah said, ah said boy…”

Lebron: “What’d I tell you about calling me that?”

8D

But everything else was rather mean-spirited, and it just felt like a huge p*ss-take at Space Jam without a redemptive conclusion, especially with the squashing of that mouse at the end (like ‘The Sordid Tale of the Lamp’). It would’ve been funnier and more life-affirming if Bugs stood up to LeBron, or Jordan made an apperance at the end to save the day. That’s just my take on it.

To each his own. Different strokes for different blokes, one woman’s meat is another woman’s poison, let’s agree to disagree, etc. But thanks for sharing the link with us, TCM!

On another note, I really want to revisit this childhood favourite of mine, especially since the film music video is one of my favourites of all-time.

Dear above poster,

I respect your opinion, but dark, cynical comedy is more widespread than you might believe. The best examples I can think of are ironically examples that were removed, like the deleted Charlie & The Chocolate Factory chapter and the original version of the Directive A113 tape in which Shelby Forthwright is asphyxiating, and he uses his last breath to shout I WANNA LI—before it cuts off.

Oh, and there’s all the references to satanic folklore and the Hitler administration in Be Prepared from The Lion King. Those are examples that weren’t removed.

I understand if you find College Humor to be too cynical for you, but lots of things are cynical. If you try to avoid all of it, you’ll find yourself avoiding a lot.

The racism joke, in my opinion, was the darkest/most cynical joke in the whole video, though I’ll admit I laughed at it, partly because of how shocking it was, and partly because it was somewhat clever (Foghorn Leghorn really did talk to people like that in his cartoons). I fail to understand how that joke didn’t bother you, but eh. To each his own.

Now let’s talk about something else…like top hats!

Who here likes top hats?

I myself prefer bow ties.

This film with a sequel? That’s ridiculous…has anyone seen what they’ve done to Daffy Duck in the new cartoons? He’s NOT FUNNY anymore. Daffy Duck is the best Looney Tunes character, and this sequel won’t redeem him, most likely.

That was the only part I liked as well.

TCM: We’re not saying that type of humour doesn’t exist.

TCM: Yeah, I concur with EJE in the sense that I’m not denying the existence of such comedy. And I do appreciate cynical humour if it’s done well, as I’ll explain below.

The racism joke didn’t bug me so much, because it actually took Foghorn’s catchphrase and gave it a new interpretation. We academics call this “appropriation” and “reconstitution”. You take something and give it a new meaning. I do this all the time with my videos, and if you watch Youtube Poops or shows like “Tim and Eric”, that’s the gist of it. But after LeBron made his points, he kept going on and on, with the Looney Tunes characters looking increasingly upset and disappointed, and then you start feeling sorry for them and the jokemaker fails to be funny anymore. And then they had to drive the nail into the proverbial coffin with the squashing of the little mouse.

I’m not sure if TLK producers intended the ‘Be Prepared’ scene to be read as a paean to Hitler, but it can be certainly read that way. It reminded me of communist regimes, for example. There are any number of ways to interpret it, unless the TLK producers explicitly said in a DVD commentary that “Yes, we wanted this to look like a Third Reich march” or something. People see what they want to see. Besides it’s not much an example of cynical or skeptical humour as more of a meta-reference to real-life. And Scar gets his ‘just desserts’ at the end, and in a very smart twist of irony, I might add (assassinated by his own troops).

Sometimes cynical humour works. I like parodies and spoofs for example, if they point out a cliched trope and then lampshade it. The great spoof films of the 80s and 90s like Naked Gun, Airplane, Mafia! all had very subversive and sarcastic humour, but it worked a treat because it pointed out genre conventions and flaws that were nonsensical if it happened in real-life, but that we’ve grown to accept in movies due to our suspension of disbelief.

But modern, contemporary movies tend to go overboard on the references to the point of nihilism. McFarlane comedies, for example, are not my cup of tea because they rely on repeat gags and offense for the sake of offense. There was very little point to their jokes (although there a couple of political-subtext gems like the ‘Marijuana’ Stewie and Brian dance number I saw in one episode). But most of the jokes rely on debasing somebody or group without any meaningful intent. Or just watch any of the recent ‘Scary Movies’, ‘Disaster Movies’ ‘Meet the Spartans’, etc. They’re content with simply throwing in pop-culture references without any real attempt to point out the underlying genre cliches.

Movies like Borat, Team America, and shows like South Park and Archer are brilliant because they take something which we’re familiar with, like American hypocrisy or British spy movies, and draw attention to the flaws by making it absurd or subverting it. And it’s usually done in a very clever and ‘homage’ sort of way, or if it goes on the offense, it usually does it for a reason.

The recent ‘How it should have ended’ for Toy Story 3 is another great example. It pointed out one of the flaws in Toy Story 3 of Lotso’ character development (“If there’s any character that should be mad for not being replaced, it should be Baby or Chuckles”). Andy copping out and taking his toys back from Bonnie was his love for his toys taken to parodic extremes, and it works.

College Humour videos like ‘Sordid tale of the lamp’ start off brilliantly (I mean, after all, isn’t the Luxo lamp squashing a letter, or didn’t Michael Jordan have a pretty lousy team in Space Jam?). But then it keeps going and going with the ribbing, and then you start to wonder if there is going to be a ‘redemptive’ punchline at the end of it, something to teach the ‘letter police’ or LeBron a lesson for bullying the protagonists. But no, it keeps getting worse, and it just ends on a very sombre note.

Shows like ‘The Simpsons’ or ‘MLP’ also have cynical or parodic elements, but it all works out okay in the end cos’ no one gets hurt or offended (unless those who really deserve it). I’m not saying that these shows are a reflection of real-life (because sometimes, people do get hurt or offended in the end), but I’d, personally, rather watch life-affirming stories where the villains get their come-uppance, instead of a mean-spirited tale that keeps ‘bashing’ on the protagonists (like with the lamp being electrocuted at the end, or The Looney Toons team doomed with a second-rate player with no hope of winning).

That’s my two cents on it.

I wish I was as good as you with counter aruguemnts and wording my opinions. You basically summed up all my feelings on the matter!

Thanks EJE. You get a lot of practice when you’re writing academic essays. :slight_smile: