'The Ballad of Nessie' short

I agree. But I also agree with TDIT that Nessie looks like Elliot from Pete’s Dragon. That’s not a criticism, I just think the resemblance is kind of cool.

Ooh, super excited! I love Scottish and Irish culture especially, so I know I’m going to love this. Now all I need is a Disney movie with some kick-a** Celtic style songs and my life will be complete.

I would love for there to be an Irish princess in the Disney lineup (right after a Latina one of course). I’m sure that Brave will have Celtic inspired music.

I always hoped they would do a Latina princess. Their culture is so rich, and that’s the only scenario where a Disney girl would have a red or orange dress. 8D

Esmeralda had a red/orange dress. Anyways, I don’t think that red/orange is just for a Latina girl. They could of easily made Rapunzel’s or Belle’s dress red or orange.

And don’t worry, I’m certain Disney will do a Latina princess, if they find a good story. One driving force behind having Tiana be African American was because little girls do like seeing princesses that look like them, and what little girls like their parents will buy.

Race does matter, as much as people deny it. My best friend is Latina. She bought her little sister a doll that was Black. Her little sister, who was 4, was terrifyed of it and cried. She thought something was wrong it, she hasn’t been exposed to other races besides White and Latina. She’s not evil, kids just relate better to things that their familier with, Disney knows this.

Well, yes, but Esmeralda, while awesome in my opinion, is not a princess. Sorry, I should have specified. And you’re right, but I think in France or Germany, a red ball gown would be…odd.

And I understand what you say about racial toys, and I agree. When I was little, I was weird. I had dozens of white dolls(Disney and Barbie mostly) and I asked for some “Brown barbies” to even out the population. My mom thought it was the weirdest thing ever. 8D But I believe in general you’re right. Most kids like toys they can relate to, as well as characters in movies.

Oh, I don’t think that Esmeralda is a Disney Princess. You said Disney Girl, I was confuzzeled! My bad! :laughing:

I’m sorry. Like I said, I should have specified that I meant specifically the princesses. 8D I wasn’t thinking when I typed it.

Interestingly, there have been experiments conducted with Barbie dolls and kids. Results proved that kids are inherently prejudiced against the black dolls, but whether this is due to media exposure to children’s books or TV shows which typically depict monsters with dark-coloured furs or skins (how often do you see fair-skinned or white-furred monsters?) or their parents’ prejudice, or simply innate human nature, has not been thoroughly investigated.

What I find really ironic about skin complexion is that those with fair skin try to get darker by suntanning, and those who are dark try to get fairer with skin-whitening creams. Skin-whitening creams, for example are big in Malaysia and Singapore. But tanning salons and spray-on tans are more popular in Australia. Oh, the irony!

Anyway without deviating into a discourse on racial theory, I’m all for a Latino princess. But should Disney decide to go down that path, they need to either choose a South American folk tale and ‘adapt’ the heroine into a princess, or set the story in South America, making the character intrisically South American (like they did with Princess and the Frog, by taking a European fairy-tale and setting it in New Orleans).

My main concern with it would be that the made the movie for the idea, not the Latina herself. In PatF, I really felt like they had the idea for a black Disney girl long before the idea for this story. It really lacked that Disney shine(to me. I’m not saying it’s a bad movie). I want this movie, if made, to be awesome. And focus on the characters and story, not toy or DVD sales or racial equality. I mean, you can make a movie about a racially minority character tastefully and in quality. Again, I’m not saying PatF is bad. It just seemed lesser than the older classics to me. In story, and execution, implying that they made it just to have an African American Disney Princess.

There’s a term for that: Racial Tokenism.

Anyway, I sorta got that feeling too with PATF, but hey, I enjoyed it, so it didn’t really surface to my mind that often. :wink:

Oh, thanks for the link! Fascinating. I always get that feeling with some movies. Like, as a counter example, I’ll use Aladdin. It’s about Arabs, and it’s arguably one of the best Disney movies from one of the best time periods. It to my knowledge fairly portrays their culture while staying modern and fun to watch. I enjoyed PatF to an extent, just like most people likely did. I just wonder why it wasn’t an amazingly mind blowing experience like Aladdin or Mulan . It just seems lesser to me. :neutral_face:

But, anyway, I’m very excited for this short.

Although a lot of Arabs were very POed about it. Especially the song lyric in the opening song. But it’s all good now, Menken changed out.

I read an article about racism in cartoons. Ever noticed that Jafar looks like a stereotypical Arab from an American’s point of view while Aladdin just looks like a 'White-bread kid from the Midwest" painted brown?

Whaddya mean by that?

Anyway, yeah, Aladdin looks like a white guy. Just like Jake Gyllenhaal in Prince of Persia. And Jake speaks with a British accent!

Same goes for Lion King. Scar is for some reason dark-skinned, although he’s Mufasa’s brother. Maybe half-bro, like, they have different mums? Since, you know, a guy lion gets a whole pride of lionesses to himself. Interestingly, this was reversed in the sequel where the anti-hero is ‘black’ and the heroine is ‘white’.

I’m sure there’s probably many instances of racism in Disney that critics like to point out, as well as ‘reverse-racism’ (you know, those patronising ones like Song of the South). PATF had a ‘realistic’ element to it that I admired Disney’s honesty with its opening scene in the slums of New Orleans and the black population there. And the mixing of different races isn’t entirely false, I think N.O. was one of the more progressive cities back in the day.

Anyway, I’m sure ‘Ballad of Nessie’ will have no racist elements in it. Maybe some stereotypical ones like Scottish bagpipes and plaid tweed-jackets and stuff, but I don’t think Nessie will be singing ‘Zip-a-dee-doo-dah’ anytime soon.

In July 1993, the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee protested lyrics in Arabian Nights. The Committee believed the original lyrics, “where they cut off your ear if they don’t like your face/it’s barbaric, but hey, it’s home,” portrayed the Arab community in a negative light. Disney denied the claim, but changed the lyrics to “where it’s flat and immense and the heat is intense/it’s barbaric, but hey, it’s home,” in later releases of the song.

Aladdin and Jasmine both have paler skin, American accents and facial features. The citizens of Agrabah, however, all have big noses, darker skin than the lead characters and speak with thick accents.

The American-Arab Anti Discrimination Committee made a complaint against Disney regarding these issues, and the fact that not only were the main characters Americanised, but that most citizens that had a walk-on bit appeared as villainous, greedy and deceitful merchants.

(Source to reviews.wikinut.com/The-Controve … /1cq374to/)

^I did not know that. :blush: Jasmine looks pretty Arab to me, personally. Especially in the nose. But I could just be imagining that; it had never crossed my mind that Aladdin was Racist. :blush:

I wouldn’t say the movie was racist, but that peticular Arab group found it offensive, and I can see why. It’s hard to please everyone when it comes to such a sensative subject, like race. I still love that movie dearly!

It’s one of my favorites. And I personally think Jasmine has a lot of Arab features in her face. But anyway, will this short have songs? 8D

I hope so, IV! It is, after all, a ballad.

True. I didn’t realize how dumb my question was before now. 8D