What do YOU think got Bigfoot, Lockness, and Yeti banished?

You can buy Yetis too! :laughing:

Oh, yeah. Having a female Yeti, Bigfoot, and even a male Loch Ness Monster in your zoo can be so hilarious, for absolutely no reason at alll:

And now, back on topic…(xD)…I think Martin’s theory is the best so far.

And back off-topic…(xDDD)…bawcppwnaskfsomethingsomethingsomething, I love your new avatar. xD

Good question, DoubleLatte! And I like the ideas and theories that have been discussed so far.

The idea of the Abominable Snowman locking himself out by accident does seem very feasible, since he does seem like such a nice guy, and it’s hard to imagine him having done something seriously wrong, like murdering another Mon.

I know it’s pretty unlikely, but I’ve always had the idea in the back of my mind that perhaps he was banished because of something to do with Waternoose. I think it’s pretty feasible that the Abominable Snowman had been a Scarer, since he’s definitely got the physical features for the job! There’s also the fact that there have been supposed sightings of him in other places apart from the Himalayas, so if he had been a Scarer, then that would explain that.

And the door that Waternoose pushed Mike and Sulley through seems to be one that he has used more than once. He knew the number of it off by heart, and the Himalayas seems like the ideal place for a Mon to be banished.

So, my theory is that perhaps Waternoose asked the Abominable Snowman to get involved in all of his illegal activies, something went wrong along the way- perhaps he refused to get involved, and because he knew too much, therefore had to be banished- and Waternoose banished him.

This is, of course, just a very unlikely theory. :laughing: There could be many explanations, and it seems strange to me that the Abominable Snowman didn’t, at some point, explain to Mike and Sulley about his own situation, or were asked about it by either of them.

I like that story, LG!

One thing: If Yeti knew Waternoose, wouldn’t he probably have mentioned it to Mike and Sulley? Also, why didn’t Yeti go with Mike back to Monstropolis?

A113- To be honest, even if my theory was way off the mark, I still would’ve expected Mike and Sulley to have at least asked the Abominable Snowman why he’d been banished. I guess perhaps there just wasn’t enough screen time for the story to go off into a little subplot, and it also isn’t relevant to the progression of the story that we’re being told, so Pixar thought it made sense to leave it out.

And as for the Yeti not returning with Mike, well, he said how much he loved the Himalayas himself! “Wasteland? You mean wonderland!”

Oh, yeah, he loves snow so much, he dresses like it! xDDD

It doesn’t really matter if a theory sounds too unlikely or outlandish. That IS the fun of it, after all! Plus, those make for really good discussion starters.
I’m guessing Yeti was just so pleased to have his own kind around that he didn’t bother really getting into many details–apparently, he was just interested in being a good host!
Also, your theory about the Himalayas door being used repeatedly for banishments definitely sounds likely! I’m thinking this is how Yeti came to meet Bigfoot before he travelled off to the wamps or woody areas, where most of his sightings have been reported, to escape the blistering cold and fashion himself poison ivy diapers to wear on his head. But that leaves me wondering about Nessie and how he might have traveled from the snowy mountains of the Himalayas to end up in the Lock Ness lake in Scotland. =p
Maybe the door to the Himalayas is not the only one used for banishments. There may be a few other doors leading to separate places, such as an impenetrable swamp or any other location in our world that provides the roughest environment possible so as to minimize the chances of survival by a monster.

Maybe Mike went after Sulley just moments after and Yeti didn’t catch him by the time he came back from making snow cones. OR Yeti probably had his reasons not to go back with Mike. There are a bunch of theories going around in my mind as to why he wouldn’t want to go back! Unlike Sulley, Yeti might not have had a strong enough reason to try to get back to his world or might have been too afraid to do so. Maybe the situation he had gotten himself into in his world was enough for him to realize that he had gotten off easy with banishment. Maybe his misfortune was a result of a sheer accident and now he “knows too much” for comfort and someone decided it was too risky to keep him around the Monster world. Now I feel like this is going to turn into a mob thing–Yeti was afraid of getting whacked or something if he went back. =P

Yeti strikes me of being more of a maintenance guy or something minimal rather than a Scarer if he did work at MI. He’s got the right build to make a good Scarer; however, that may not necessarily apply to his abilities and he might have actually ended up being worse than Phlegm!

Ever since I saw that scene, I will always keep believing that he fooled himself into thinking that the place he was banished to truly really was wonderful in order to keep himself from breaking down like his buddy bigfoot!

DoubleLatte- I think you’re on the right lines with there being more than one banishment door- that definitely explains creatures such as the Loch Ness Monster, since it is rather a distance from the Himalayas to Scotland! :laughing:

I think that perhaps on deciding what door to banish Mike and Sulley in, Waternoose didn’t just chuck them through any old banishment door; if we go with the idea of there being more than one banishment door, then there could most likely be one in the middle of the Sahara desert, but I think Waternoose decided to banish Mike and Sulley to the Himalayas simply because he knew they would be able to survive it. I mean, look at Sulley; he’s absolutely covered in thick fur, and he didn’t seem perturbed by the cold at all. It shows that Waternoose really did regret banishing his Top Scarer.

Lol, I like the idea of the whole mob thing concerning the Yeti! And yes, although he most certainly has the build to be a Scarer, I think he also seems just a bit too nice to be one. I know all Mons considered humans to be ‘dangerous’ and everything, but even when referring to the little village near his cave in the Himalayas, the Abominable Snowman did seem very fond of it. He might just be a little too soft-hearted to be a Scarer.

Finally, referring to the Yeti convincing himself that he likes where he has been banished too- that’s a great idea! I never thought of it like that! He doesn’t want to go crazy, so he’s convinced himself that he’s happy- it makes perfect sense!

And, is it just me, or did the Abominable Snowman have a bit of an insane look in his eyes at times… :laughing:

It can’t just be you if I also noticed that hint of crazyness in him! Like he was trying so hard to hold it together by being flowers and sunshine. =P
Ditto on the door leading to the Sahara desert! I’ve tried to think of the most extreme and impenetrable places in which a door could be placed, and the Sahara desert was one of those places that popped up in my mind as well. How about the Copper Canyon down in Mexico as well? =P
It makes so much more sense for a monster to actually know what lies beyond a banishment door–this why I rethought my idea that Mike and Sulley simply picked a door at random when they chucked Randall inside. Maybe there was another door leading to the swamps that Waternoose knew about, only not through a human home. Maybe the real motive behind a banishment is not for a monster to die right away, but to survive long enough for insanity to set in from the isolation and/or starvation. I think that they also pick the places carefully to suit a monster’s physical characteristics so that they’re not easily spotted by humans, such as Yeti being tossed into the Himalayas so that his white fur would also provide camouflage and Bigfoot being sent to the swamps so that he could be mistaken for a species from our world that already live in that environment. Nessie could have been dumped into the Lock Ness lake because of his fins! And also because the incredibly murky waters provide very little visibility at deeper depths.
I think the monsters who do have the authority to perform banishments (I doubt CEOs of power companies also serve as law enforcement figures =P)already have enough knowledge about our world to decide where to a banish a monster to. They choose the environment that seems appropriate for a certain monster to lessen the risk of being discovered by a human. It would have been a little suspicious to see these really odd creatures popping up randomly in people’s homes upon their banishment–this is why chucking Randall in through an occupied human home was an incredibly impulsive and dumb idea on behalf of Mike and Sulley! They were just lucky that the occupants weren’t particularly bright enough to realize Randall wasn’t an alligator. =P

Especially not one as on the wrong side of the law as Waternoose, lol!

You’re exactly right there- the one thing all of these myths and ‘sightings’ of strange creatures have in common are that the creatures do always seem very suited to their environment.

I guess with Mike and Sulley banishing Randall to a swamp through a house, (or, rather, a trailer) maybe they just didn’t know any of the banishment door codes. I can imagine them, after having caught Randall, opening a few doors to find one suitable- one that doesn’t lead to anywhere else so Randall wouldn’t be able to return immediately- and then deciding that a swamp would be a good idea, especially since Randall seems suited to that sort of environment (though in reality, he probably wasn’t).

The only problem with that theory is that it implies that unless Mike and Sulley actually went into the trailer, then outside into the Human World to actually see what the environment was like, they wouldn’t have realised that the trailer was situated in a swamp- why should it be? I guess they could’ve quickly looked out of one of the windows or something, but the way they banished Randall made it look like they themselves had never entered the door in the first place, and were just chucking Randall through it.

It also could’ve just been a lucky pick!

But now I’m diverging from the original topic. :laughing: So, back on topic, I still think that Waternoose could easily have been the cause for some, if not all the banishments mentioned- Big Foot, the Yeti, etc.

I’m also going to nitpick that idea- if Waternoose privately banished them because they did something wrong in his grand scheme, why would anyone else know about it? And therefore, why would Mike say what he said in the film about these banished monsters? If Waternoose had done it himself, then he might’ve started off a rumour that Big Foot or Yeti had just gone missing randomly or something, since banishment without consent is surely an illegal activity, and this would turn the trail away from him. Therefore, the banishments must’ve been official, performed by the proper authorities, so my idea doesn’t stack up.

I think he would have fared better in a tropical environment like a desert island so he could be mistaken as an exotic species of lizards if he were ever to be spotted by passing boats. =p I meant to say “suited” not in survival terms, but as in a monster that could easily be mistaken as being wildlife or objects pertaining to that environment, such as alligators in the swamps and logs sticking out of the Lock Ness lake that could be mistaken as long necks. This is another thing I find creepy about these banishments; maybe the monsters know more about our world than they let on in the movie. paranoid

Exactly! That’s why I had my doubts about Waternoose having done all the banishments. Since Mike knew about them, then I think it is safe to assume that it was widely held knowledge that both Lock Ness and Bigfoot were officially banished. He never mentioned Yeti though. Like I said, maybe Yeti was unfortunate and insignificant enough to have stumbled upon Waternoose’s plan somehow about a year or so back before the duo did, and was chucked out into the Himalayas illegally and his absence wasn’t noticed or given a second thought. Maybe if Yeti had done something of his own accord or big enough to get the attention of authority figures and gotten an official banishment, then maybe Mike would have remembered to mention Yeti. Banishment sounds like such a severe punishment that I don’t think they hand it out like candy, so the two monsters who did get banished are known about and remembered. I do believe that Waternoose may have known the Himalayas door number by heart because he had already used it once before–on Yeti! Waternoose may have given himself the same liberty of banishing Sulley and Mike because he had access to these doors and because they happened to be his own employees.
I’m still trying to come up with something for Nessie. =p

I’m still VERY strongly of the opinion that Mike and Sulley threw Randall into that trailer KNOWING that it was occupied, and that he’d very likely be brutally attacked by the humans inside(which he was). They knew that THEY had managed to make it back to the Monster World, and wanted to make sure that Randall would have no chance of doing so at all, nor of surviving in the Human World for any length of time. That door was not a “banishment” door, just an ordinary door, and since Mike would have been familiar with various doors to kids’ rooms as part of his job, he likely would have recognized that particular door as leading to Louisiana. On that same topic, Randall is NOT at ALL adapted to living in a swampy environment; he lacks any physical adaptations to such a place, such as webbed hands and feet, a flattened lateral body shape for swimming, an armor-plated hide for protection against predators, etc. He is actually well-designed for an ARBOREAL lifestyle, in the trees or on the sides of steep mountains, where his prehensile tail and gripping toe/finger pads come into play. Even if he survived the human attack, he would be very physically inept at surviving in the swamps of Louisiana, with the alligators and venomous snakes and leeches, without help.

The “banishment” door that Waternoose uses is probably the only one in the factory, and IT would have been illegal. Banishment, as I understand it, is a punishment to be carried out by a court of law, or a judge, following a trial for some crime or another. Obviously, just as is the case here in OUR world, there would be monsters who gain illegal access to such doors to use against their enemies, to intimidate others, etc. We have crime bosses and other unsavory characters here, who use means normally restricted to law enforcement or military in order to enforce their own “rules”. It would make NO SENSE at all if any monster who had a gripe with another monster could simply acquire a banishment door to some remote part of the Human World and chuck anyone they didn’t like through it, and I’m sure that from a legal standpoint, this was NOT the case at all. Waternoose, like many of his human counterparts, though, obviously believed that he was above the law and that his money and name made him impervious to punishment, and he used that illegal door to maintain control over others, including in most all likelihood, Randall. As for whether or not Waternoose was the one who “banished” the Yeti, or if he got banished through the judiciary system, we don’t know. He didn’t know Mike or Sulley, nor they him, so apparently he had never worked at the factory. It still does not answer the question as to WHAT he could have done to merit banishment, but then, it’s possible that as(again)is the case here in the Human World, there were/are monsters who are unjustly convicted of crimes and punished for things they didn’t do. It is also very possible that while WE tend to think in terms of violent crimes getting a monster banished, things like assault, robbery, etc., banishable crimes could have also including “white collar” crimes, like imbezzling money, or betting on professional sports in places(like South Carolina, for instance)where that is illegal, so a monster would not have necessarily had to have done something awful to get banished.

pitbulllady

It’s all a matter of opinion of course, but I just disagree that Mike and Sulley threw Randall knowing the trailer would be occupied. This could have applied to every single door they went through during the chase scene, so it could have happened to either one of them. Why it didn’t is beyond me, but I personally think Randall just had the luck of being chucked into a door (the only one, apparently!) that actually had humans in it. The whole thing is just odd, so this is why I never really bothered to delve into that bit. Plus, it would be a little off-topic since my purpose was to discuss a bit more about Bigfoot, Lock Ness and Yeti and why they were banished.

That’s another great theory. While Yeti doesn’t strike me as the kind of monster who would become involved in any form of crime, he could have been wrongfully convicted and gotten banished, or maybe he got mixed up with the wrong crowd and unknowingly set himself up for this!

And, to be honest, the Monster World has always seemed much more…perfect than this world. Sure, we only get to see Monstropolis, but it’s all very neat and tidy, even when most of its inhabitants appear to be earning minimum wage. So, something that we might think of as hardly being a crime at all might be something very serious to them.

It could very well be the case there. In some countries, including some very modern ones, you can be severely punished for doing things like spitting on the sidewalk, and even right here in the US, people go to jail and pay huge fines and have their lives ruined for doing things that logic tells us should not be that bad. People have gone to FEDERAL prison for simply picking up a feather on the ground…and letting their kid take it to show-and-tell, only to have someone recognize it as a feather from a bird of prey, like a hawk or eagle. They had no idea that merely possessing a feather from such a bird is a felony, punishable by up to 10 years in Federal prison. There are a large number of places where you can go to jail, lose your home and property and have all your financial assets frozen, simply because your dog has short hair and a wide head, or because someone sees a rooster with a small comb running around in your yard, since those things alone in some cities are “proof” that you’re fighting dogs or gamecocks! If such situations exist here, in a place that is generally quite permissive, it’s no stretch of imagination to assume that the Monster World, or parts of it, at least, have far stricter laws. They definitely seem to have a pretty strong anti-littering law in effect in Monstropolis, since there would be VERY few cities in much of the Human World THAT clean and tidy! It is just as possible that Yeti committed some misdeed that most of us would consider trivial, and that he did not intentionally set out to break the law, but you know the saying, “ignorance of the law is no excuse”.

pitbulllady

Maybe they were too big and took up too much room? Not to mention they probably had violent tendencies.

It’s pretty darn near impossible for me to fathom the Abominable/Adorable Snowman as EVER having had “violent tendencies”. As for size, Sulley is about the same size reported for Bigfoot, and Ted the Giant Chicken put them ALL to shame when it came to being just plain B-I-G, yet HE didn’t get banished. Being large seemed to be a rather desirable thing in the Monster World, after all; there were even ads in the tabloid papers about how to gain weight, quite the opposite of what we see here. I can’t see being large as something that the monsters would consider a crime punishable by banishment to the Human World, sorry.

pitbulllady

cracks knuckles, gives hand off to Pitbulllady above That’s right boys and girls, Nexas is BACK :smiling_imp: Muhahahaha ^0^
Log-In problem, Pixar Planet needs to look at, long story…shortly, back, convo, better not happen again heh heh.

leans back Lets see…AH…KNEW this question could come up sometime :slight_smile:

To first start off, let’s look at Banishment. It happens either one of two ways.

  1. The harshest punishment delievered to a Mon in a court. Contrary to what some may think, it’s on par with the death sentence (In actuality the death sentence may not exist in the Monster World, with it being Banishment).

  2. And Illegal Banishment (like Waternoose to Sullivan/Wazowski and them to Randall). This one is harder to do because you need a specifically designed Metal Door, which Scare Co., the conglomerate Scream industry operator, designs, along with the regular doors.
    Now the complex thing about these doors is that they would have to be set up in specific locations with many factors.
    I’ll go out on a limb here and use Bigfoot as an example. Many sightings right? But if I recall, the majority of them are in moutain ranges and dense forests. What if the ones we’re seeing are actually ALL different? But they are all furry and the like with similiar descriptions.
    That’s because the doors factor in the Monster’s characteristics. I’ll explain a bit about that below…

First…the Abomindable Snowman, AS for short.
The first one? Nah. AS is…like…one of those people who wave at you as you dry down the street or offer to pay your side of the meal when invited to dinner or something.
Second one? Perhaps. I mean when you think about it, AS is rather gullible. Maybe he saw something he should’t have, or, like Randall, got into a rough situation with dangerous consequences.
Here’s a question to beg…given the Abomindable Snowman feels at home, as we see, with cold weather…would it be argued he WAS in a trial? If so, maybe he was framed for something perhaps. One of those “good guys in bad situations” deal. This could make sense given he was “Banished” into a climate befitting him.

Second…Bigfoot.
Now…with what I said above…Bigfoot’s legacy extends to several sitings in different (but similiar) places…and evidence of large prints and the like have been found.
But still, with what I said above…He’s probably not immortal (HOWEVER…will argue that some Monsters in legacy ARE…AND that some Monsters also have increased/decreased (mostly the former) lifespans. A Dragon for instance can regularly live for 1000 years)…so how do so many pop up in different places and how so for so long?
I have two theories.

  1. They’re of similiar speices but DIFFERENT Monsters…bansihed in the fashion of court in a climate/area that suits them. Given that next to no Bigfoot"S" have been caught, the court seemed to do itself well in at least one part.
  2. Perhaps they’re an observation team? Afterall, making doors and studying humans would need Mons to gather SOMETHING or what not. And given that Furries are mostly popular in the Mon World, perhaps they’re like the C.D.A., a bunch of similiar working drones.

Third…Lochness…or “Nessy”
folds arms, trying not to laugh It would be friggin HILARIOUS if Loch Ness started in a news conferance that “I’m a guy…why do they call me Nessy” ^0^
Serious though heh heh.
Now Lochness is big…REALLY BIG…bigger than Bigfoot or AS. Now and interesting concept is that an underwater door was installed. Not overly contradictive…non-rustable material to make the door (or at least a cover on the outside), and would be a door VERY had to discover for humans given their limited bodies.

I admit I didn’t read everyone else’s ideas to congrat, debate, correct them…just that I’ve been gon awhile and am playing catch up ^_^;

…Ah and Ran of course…Time to crack this.

Sullivan and Wazowski DID KNOW. My evidence? LOOK AT THE SCENE.
Wazowski was…doing a stupid idotic thing with Sullivan…the whole “Baseball” scene there when they’re about to throw Randall…take a look…
THE DOOR IS OPEN…if they DID NOT look inside…how would they know it would be safe to leave it open while enjoying their sick little game?
Monsters Inc. Employee Rule #1…NEVER LEAVE A DOOR OPEN. They knew alright…
looks at Lizardgirl and Pitbulllady
What would you guys do without me? :slight_smile:

We couldn’t do anything without you, Nexas. 8D

Well, of all the theories, yours are DEFINITELY the best. :wink:

Haha Thank you very much :slight_smile: