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Postby DoubleLatte » Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:31 am

Nexas wrote:perhaps being smelly or something is actually attactive in some species.


Know what? You're right. I take back what I said about monsters liking "icky" smells and such. The contradictions in the movie about being fat or thin still stand, but monsters may perceive what we Americans consider to be an "offensive" odor as pleasant. What you said reminded me of a lecture from my professor in my Sensation and Perception class and the discussion of odors. There is no odor that is found to be universally repulsive because different cultures perceive smells differently. For example, most Americans hate the smell of fermented fish sauce whereas Asians find it pleasing and yummy. This could be the same case in odors for monsters. Monsters, Inc. was created by Americans, so they may not have taken into account that smelling like a wet dog (or low tide) may not be as offensive to some individuals. So, bright dot-dasher, your idea may not be as far-off as you think!
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Postby Lil-Bandit » Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:57 pm

I always thought it was desirable that Sulley stay "fit" because of the job he's in, and that is the reason why Mike's calling him out on that sometimes. In the real monster world I doubt flabbiness would be a turn off, but considering the amount of Scares the Monsters Inc company had to generate in a day (in Waternoose's period, anyway,) I'd say it was a necessity that the monsters be fit, so maybe that's what Mike was getting at there.
So um, what I'm saying is, I think working at Monsters Inc is like the Monster equivalent of being an athlete or something along those lines. Or you at least have to be fairly healthy. And you notice the scare assistants are mostly small and pretty mild looking in comparison.
Although it is still a contradiction, I agree. Especially Mike's random reactions of disgust when he sees Roz, who is pretty much a fat slug. Although that could just be Mike's own personal taste there. Like in real life, some people prefer curves, others don't. Hm.
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Postby HelloDolly114 » Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:40 pm

Yes , that is strange!

Especially since Celia is thin and "pretty" atleast thats how it appears. Otherwise wouldn't she be thought of as ugly for being thin?

Would't Roz be beautiful than? Since she is overweight and not very good looking?

It kind of hurts your brain to think about! Certainly an enigma!
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Postby Nexas » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:59 pm

Certainly IS confusing. When you think about humans, most go for attrativeness. But in the monster world well...there's a heck of allot of different things to look for ^0^
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Postby Esmedes » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:45 am

I guess monsters have COMPLETELY different cases of "taste" than humans in terms of "Celia vs Roz". As in they have a much more "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" sense. Or maybe Roz is just pretty for her "species" of monster. (I'd hate to see what the less "attractive" ones look like).
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Postby pitbulllady » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:47 pm

Esmedes wrote:I guess monsters have COMPLETELY different cases of "taste" than humans in terms of "Celia vs Roz". As in they have a much more "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" sense. Or maybe Roz is just pretty for her "species" of monster. (I'd hate to see what the less "attractive" ones look like).


I did actually read in a trivia bit in one of my books(think it was "The Essential Guide to Monsters, Inc.")where Roz was once crowned "Miss Monstropolis" in a beauty contest, back when she was much younger. Of course, we know that HUMANS rarely look the same over the years; I can't even begin to tell you how many high school beauty queens I've seen who now weigh well over 200 pounds!

The tabloid that Roz is seen reading has ads on the back for gaining weight and growing fur, so apparently large, heavily-built, furry monsters, especially guys, ARE seen as attractive and powerful, That would explain at least some of Sulley's popularity, since he exactly fits that image of monster perfection, while at the same time, explaining why a thin, more slightly-built non-furry, and scaly in particular, monster like Randall would automatically be thought of as undesireable, if monsters are as hung up on physical appearances as so many humans are. AND, w hile some monsters seem to appreciate things that most of us would find disgusting, such as the smell of an old dumpster or a wet dog(I'm a dog lover, and I STILL dislike that smell intensely), others seem to share our sensory likes and dislikes. In the "Monsters, Inc." video game, "Scream Arena", for example, there are these various dodge balls that the monster contestants try to hit each other with, which include a nasty "Slime Ball" that covers you in slime, something you'd THINK would be no big deal for a monster, but Randall sure reacts with complete revulsion and disgust when hit with one, so obviously HE at least, finds being covered in slime to be a really bad thing!

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Postby Esmedes » Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:13 pm

Those are some great points. But like someone said earlier, maybe the monsters have different things to be "concerned" about. Mike's "species", for example, would be far more worried about their eyes than anything else. So maybe the case with the reptile-like ones is that they might have some concern for their scales and their agility. You'd think that the ability to climb up a wall and onto the ceiling the fastest would be a "quality trait" for his type of monster. Maybe not for one like Sully's kind, but maybe for other types of reptile types.

I find the slime thing interesting because reptiles WOULD be attracted to a really strong smell.
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Postby pitbulllady » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:13 pm

Esmedes wrote:Those are some great points. But like someone said earlier, maybe the monsters have different things to be "concerned" about. Mike's "species", for example, would be far more worried about their eyes than anything else. So maybe the case with the reptile-like ones is that they might have some concern for their scales and their agility. You'd think that the ability to climb up a wall and onto the ceiling the fastest would be a "quality trait" for his type of monster. Maybe not for one like Sully's kind, but maybe for other types of reptile types.

I find the slime thing interesting because reptiles WOULD be attracted to a really strong smell.


Well, no, not all reptiles like strong-smelling things. Snakes are as fastidious as cats and absolutely HATE to be around anything stinky or messy! Besides, scales or no scales, Randall is no more a reptile than I am, but is most definitely a warm-blooded beastie. It's just rather odd that one of the things that most monsters would consider a good thing, being covered in slime, HE finds very abhorrent.

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Postby Esmedes » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:47 am

I guess the "sense of smell" is another "eye/nose of the beholder" thing. Everyone has their different ideas of what a good/bad smell is, and there are "Are you CRAZY!?" points. It kinda makes me think of how my boyfriend hates the taste of tomatoes and I loooove it. I think he's a little "nuts" for not liking it, but his sense of smell and taste is pretty sensitive, so just the smell of ketchup is too much for him. That might be the case with most monsters, how one might like the smell of "Burned wet towels with vinegar and mold and ammonia" and another would hate it (I know who I'D agree with :shock: )
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Re: Fit or fat?

Postby Minty Fresh » Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:50 am

DoubleLatte wrote:Why is this forum so dead?
Anywho, it's a good thing I've had this question bothering me for a while, mainly because I’ve seen this being mentioned here on a few occasions in the past. I don’t understand why the monsters’ magazine (was it on a magazine?) advertisement makes weight gain seem like a desirable thing when Sulley and Mike poke fun at each other for Sulley practically having his own climate and Mike being told that he “could use the exercise”. It was funny, but if monsters regard health/beauty as the opposite of what humans think it should be, (i.e., thinness, deodorants that don’t smell like old dumpsters) then the monsters’ comments are inconsistent with that idea. That, or the creators just didn’t bother to give it another thought as the movie progressed and just figured the various deodorant names would be fun to stick in there. Do monsters have double-standards on appearances/health? For example, thinness is generally the ideal body image for beauty yet we go on to say that being underweight is unhealthy. But then again, if being large is a positive thing with the monsters, why did Sulley ask "did you lose weight?" instead of "gain" when he walked into the Scare Floor? I realize he did this in an effort to look "casual" (and failed miserably) but if this was meant to be a compliment, then it again contradicted the general idea (based on that magazine ad) that "fat" is viewed as something desirable. Please feel free to tell me that I'm looking too much into it. :P


Well about what Sulley said, asking "Did you lose weight?" instead of "gain" if monsters see being larger as a positive thing....I think that either the staff forgot what they put in place in other areas of the movie or they felt that having Sulley say to someone "Did you gain weight?" might offend some people in the audience if they didn't notice the thing about more weight being a positive thing in the monster world(because you'd only notice that if you actually read it on the newspaper/magazine Roz was reading and probably not everyone noticed)....so people watching the movie might suddenly think Sulley is being rude to someone by saying asking someone if he/she gained weight.

DoubleLatte wrote:For example, thinness is generally the ideal body image for beauty yet we go on to say that being underweight is unhealthy.


Tell me about it....I'm very very thin and I get polar opposite responses from people all the time. I actually find it annoying both how some people wish they had my body(for a lot of people my weight probably would be unhealthy for them, I don't think many people naturally have the genetics to be quite as thin as me so I worry when people say that to me) and I also find it annoying how people will make assumptions about my health without knowing me and knowing that I've been very thin for my entire life, including when I was 5 years old(my own mother was worried there was something wrong with me because I would only grow upwards, not outwards, but the doctor said I'm perfectly healthy and it's just the way I am).

It is possible that monsters might have the same double-standards about weight, I don't know. Perhaps they do think that weighing a lot is really attractive but at the same time worry that it might hurt someone's health for someone who's not more naturally inclined to being a bit on the bigger side....still though, I don't see Sulley using that as a 'compliment' if being larger is more appealing in general to monsters.
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Postby ellie-jessie-eve » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:57 pm

Esmedes wrote:(I'd hate to see what the less "attractive" ones look like).


Bwahaha, this made me literally laugh out loud!
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Re: Fit or fat?

Postby Minty Fresh » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:24 am

It seems to conflict a bit since isn't Celia considered attractive in the Monster world but she fits into more of the beauty standards of humans? As in she has the body shape generally considered appealing in humans.
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Re: Fit or fat?

Postby dibiya » Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:49 am

I thought I could know about some methods to reduce fat and get a fit body. But you haven't mentioned anything about it. I could only see some cartoons images in it Hostsailor. Add some related content about it.
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