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Postby DoubleLatte » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:32 am

Why is this forum so dead?
Anywho, it's a good thing I've had this question bothering me for a while, mainly because I’ve seen this being mentioned here on a few occasions in the past. I don’t understand why the monsters’ magazine (was it on a magazine?) advertisement makes weight gain seem like a desirable thing when Sulley and Mike poke fun at each other for Sulley practically having his own climate and Mike being told that he “could use the exercise”. It was funny, but if monsters regard health/beauty as the opposite of what humans think it should be, (i.e., thinness, deodorants that don’t smell like old dumpsters) then the monsters’ comments are inconsistent with that idea. That, or the creators just didn’t bother to give it another thought as the movie progressed and just figured the various deodorant names would be fun to stick in there. Do monsters have double-standards on appearances/health? For example, thinness is generally the ideal body image for beauty yet we go on to say that being underweight is unhealthy. But then again, if being large is a positive thing with the monsters, why did Sulley ask "did you lose weight?" instead of "gain" when he walked into the Scare Floor? I realize he did this in an effort to look "casual" (and failed miserably) but if this was meant to be a compliment, then it again contradicted the general idea (based on that magazine ad) that "fat" is viewed as something desirable. Please feel free to tell me that I'm looking too much into it. :P
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Postby CGI Clownfish » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:48 am

Never thought of that - then again, that's a good point, and it's in fact, proven. Remember the ad on the back of Roz's magazine that advertised gaining weight rather than losing it?

EDIT: Oh wait, you mentioned that. :P My bad.
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Postby A113 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:51 am

As for your forst question, I don't know. xD
As for your second question, I think that the gaining weight ad was supposed to be a joke, since the magazine Roz was reading was the Glob, a joke on the Globe, a parody-type tabloid. So, in my opinion, being fit is better in the monster world than being fat. Sorta.
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Postby DoubleLatte » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:51 am

That ad is actually the VERY thing I'm referring to in my post. =)

EDIT: Yeah. You saw that. :wink:

They make fun of several things. But inconsistency is something that bothers me to unusual extremities, lol. I just figured this would be something interesting to mull over and would like to have an answer to.
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Postby lizardgirl » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:35 pm

Yeah, I do get bothered by that as well...It's strange, since Pixar usually pay a stupid amount of attention to detail, but I guess they can't catch everything.

I would generally go with the idea that being a bigger monster is a good thing in the Monster World's terms, especially since most of the Scarers are pretty big and as Scarers, they are looked up to. Also, generally, most of the Mons seemed pretty rounded, so I guess it's just the social norm.

Of course, Mike and Sulley's banter does go against this, and I can't think of a reasonable explanation for what they've said. Sulley's 'lost weight? Or a limb?' joke only works with losing weight rather than gaining weight (though I guess it's a possibility that some Mons could have the ability to 'gain' limbs, as such...) but yeah, generally it's going against the grain and the idea that what's normal in the Monster World is opposite to our world.

Maybe Mike and Sulley are just thick? After all, they're the only ones that seem to bring up the idea that being thin is better. :lol:

I honestly can't think of a reasonable explanation, apart from that perhaps Pixar didn't want to pursue the idea of fat being good as that might send out a bad message to the youth of today or something equally as PC as that. :P
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Postby pitbulllady » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:19 pm

It's also very likely that Mike's making fun of Sulley's "flab" is just Mike being MIKE, finding SOMETHING that he can use to motivate(manipulate?) his buddy. Mike seems to enjoy finding fault in others and teasing them about it, and a lot of it probably has to do with his own insecurities. He wants to be big and strong, but isn't, so it's his way of sort of taking it out on someone who is. Sulley just lets it roll off him like water off a duck's back, though. You'll notice that Mike also makes fun of Ted the Giant Chicken, saying "big deal...guy takes two steps, and he's there" when Sulley tried to point out how "eco-friendly" Ted was by walking to work as opposed to driving(I really, really do not want to know what Ted would drive, if anything). Making fun of the big and tall just seems to be Mike's thing and does not indicate that monsters in general feel that way.

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Postby lennonluvr9 » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:03 pm

Actually, I never made that connection before! That does seem a bit of a double standard, you know, it does seem basically like Mike's just trying to poke fun at Sully.
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Postby Nexas » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:06 am

Why dead? Well, because most things are explained hehehe. But yes, thankfully those who can come up with questions not put forth yet or the like brings some up.
*looks up* One thing to not is that there is not a "One" here. Take Humans. We are ALL basically the same in terms of body figure and what not. Yes, there are those extremely tall or...small....but overall, similiar. For Monsters, there are a TON of different forms, and a ton of different "ideal weight".
Take Sullivan. Being buffed and weighty is probably the desired for Monsters like him. I mean, not so sure, but for Monsters with lots of fure, they tend to get tired easily perhaps, and having a large body with allot of energy is probably what make monsters like him fit.
Now the eyeball. Wazowski's species probably has little to worry about in the category. They're more concerned probably about their eyes.
Unsure about Randall's. I mean, the guy's thin, but not exactly in perfect health, and I doubt he overlly cares about looking like a "stick--figure-model".

Monsters are extremely varied, and each of them have their own ideal of what it means to "fit" and what not. And though I do agree Wazowski's comments on Sullivan's weight and fitness is "pal-joking", it can also be because their "fit goals" are very different. Honestly, ANYBODY see Wazowski alone at the gym with big huge strangers? I mean heck, the guy is a coward around Randall, not to say he SHOULDN'T be hehehe, just imagine an aggressor three times his size.
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Postby A113 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:43 pm

I like Nexas's idea, and maybe the dude who Sulley was talking to ("Did you lose weight? Or a limb?") could possibly have had a problem already. Sorry, that was a horrible theory of mine. xD
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Postby Nexas » Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:08 am

Thank ya kindly ^_^[/u]
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Postby bright dot-dasher » Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:58 am

I think that for certain monsters, losing weight is good, and for others, it's bad.
Because each monster is different, right? So it could be a compliment or an insult, depending on who Sully was talking to.
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Postby Nexas » Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:27 am

True true.
No offense to any woman, but the old cliche "do I look fat" must be a HECK of allot harder for different-species marriages :P
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Postby DoubleLatte » Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:30 am

bright dot-dasher wrote:I think that for certain monsters, losing weight is good, and for others, it's bad.
Because each monster is different, right? So it could be a compliment or an insult, depending on who Sully was talking to.


That's also a possibility. I just hate that there seems to be contradiction everywhere in that movie. They're monsters and they like everything we don't--including smelling like a wet dog--right? It was funny at the beginning and the ads were great, but the writers just forgot to maintain that same idea that monsters are attracted by the opposite of what humans are. They should have just ditched the ideas that monsters like icky, smelly things, IMO, and being overweight (which is completely undesirable in our world). At least such an uncanny resemblance to humans would have been surprising and even funnier since monsters have always been made out to be, well, monsters!

By the way, your quote made me smile.
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Postby bright dot-dasher » Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:01 am

Who knows? Maybe in their world, wet dogs actually smell like perfume...just kidding 8D
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Postby Nexas » Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:25 am

It's not exactly contradiction, more of a way to show differences between Humans and Mons, as they had come from the same ancestory. Think of some way some animals do things...perhaps being smelly or something is actually attactive in some species.

Good BDD, does. Though not perfume, more like colone, as I don't think a man of Sullivan's type would do perfume ^0^
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