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Postby Nexas » Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:23 am

It doesn't all have to be documented. But as with any sequel, if there's one, settled on some key points. Doesn't have to be everything from start to end.

I can be an intellectual, but I also try to be flexible with people. Filmmaking itself is an expression of anything and everything, real or not. It is an expansive field full of research, wonder, imagination, all wrapped up with the determination to create. It is then either private or public, the later of which is tossed up to the varied masses with both yays and nays, opinions fact and wondered. It is an amazing feat which is judged.

*claps* It is indeed a good series of the Star Wars films. And there have been books as well, many I myself have read...and enjoyed. Movie-possible? Some might, depending on who's making it. Is it NEEDED? No not really, a book is good enough.

The conclusion is the classic "happy ever after"....and I like the saying "happy endings are stories that haven't finished yet". Things for the "heroes" are finished in that sense. Can it be expanded upon? Yes it can. How does having a monster "grandpa" or whatever Sullivan is to Boo going to affect HER? It might not all be positive. And in the end she's going to have to move on.

*chuckles* Are you sure? We might get in trouble with the admins again.
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Postby IllusionOfLife » Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:31 am

Nexas wrote:*chuckles* Are you sure? We might get in trouble with the admins again.


Oh I have no fear, I'm brand new here, I haven't had time to get in trouble yet :wink:

I can see your point to some extent, but I still don't think it warrants a sequel. I suppose it's just a matter of opinion, but it sounds more suitable for expanded fiction or *shudder* fan fiction. But can you at least see where I'm coming from, that the ending of Monsters, Inc. 2 was so good that adding anything else has a very high potential of ruining it?

As I've said before, I have no doubt Pixar will make a good movie, but I don't think this movie needs a sequel and I think trying to force an additional story into the main series would damage the first.
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Postby Nexas » Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:37 am

*sighs* Very well...warning was cast....the "character"...is Randall. *awaits the common replies*

Mostly a matter of opinion. I DID like the ending for Sullivan and Boo...but mainly...I just feel there's more that has to be told. In the end, Sullivan won't be happy with the job hes now trapped in, and is going to be using Boo as his sanity booster. Wazowski's gotta work up commitment issues with Celia. I mean how would THAT be for a part of the ending in the sequel? Those two getting married?

Like I said before, if they're gonna make a sequel...they HAVE to make it right. They can't cut corners (or be done so by Disney) or borrow from other sources in their works.
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Postby IllusionOfLife » Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:45 am

Nexas wrote:*sighs* Very well...warning was cast....the "character"...is Randall. *awaits the common replies*


I'm sure this is one of the common replies, but that's been one of my fears too. Yes, Randall is the logical villain for the sequel; he was banished to the human world but if Mike and Sully could make it back, so could Randall (in fact with his chameleon abilities I imagine it'd be even easier for him). The problem though is that I'm afraid it will be too much retreading of old territory. Even though there's very easy plot devices to get Randall back into the story I'd much rather see a brand new antagonist rather than Randall's return.

I suppose I'll have to wait for an official plot synopsis from Pixar before I can argue my point much further, but I'm just horribly afraid that this is a mistake being made for the wrong reasons. Disney has recently created a business plan to focus on creating only franchise properties, and this news makes me fear that this cancerous influence has invaded Pixar. I mean it's not like they've won 14 Academy Awards and had some of the most successful animated films of all time on their own or anything like that. Nope, they should definitely be limited to only making franchise films, they're clearly bound to keep screwing up if they come up with new ideas. :x
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Postby Nexas » Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:52 am

Fears?
Actually I meant Randall's story from M.I. 1 to M.I. 2 in relation to Sullivan and Wazowski's but....

*nods* Yes it is indeed fact that Randall CAN make it back to the Monster World (which makes you others kind of wonder WHY did they destroyed the door completely if they already broke it's activator so nobody can go through it, of course that answer is rather simple).

And I DO agree that making HIM the "villain" again IS retreading into old territory. I DO want to see Randall return....but NOT as a villain.
If there IS going to be a villain, YES somebody NEW.

*shakes head* Pixar has been leaving it's roots lately. Even from it's "10 Pixar Commadnments" which Lasseter has in his office somewhere on a plaque. And Disney's deal with how they handle most sequels is mostly sad. Which is one reason why I worry for Newt being dropped and M.I. being pushed forward. This would mean a rush on Pixar's part. Or does this mean Disney will be taking direct part like they did in the last film.
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Postby thedriveintheatre » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:19 am

I love the posts of Randall fans in the morning! 8)

Seriously though, I'm not so hung up by Randall's injustice in the first movie (readies riot shield), but I'm siding with you guys that he will earn some form of redemption in the second (Although, judging from the TS sequels, former villains rarely make a return visit).

I'm very, very pleased MI is getting a new lease, and that The Bear and... sorry Brave is on schedule. But it looks likes Pixar is going to follow DW's route of two-releases-a-year. Would this mean Cars 2 is coming out next year? And where the heck is Newt? All this reshuffling of release dates is making me confused. :?
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Postby Nexas » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:26 am

Of course if M.I. 2 includes Randall as the main "villain" (note I didn't say "again"), ALLOT of people will get ticked off. I mean that. Allot of his fans have been doing things for YEARS to get Pixar's attention on the subject with 0 response.
*taps head* You know...Zerg kinda gets himself I guess a sorta "appearence" in TS 1...I mean he kinda is kinked into Buzz's persona at the time.

I'm wondering about Newt too. What happened to the director? This was his premire as one RIGHT? What happened to him? Is he alright with having (supposedly) the movie canned? And what about everyone else working on it. People if my memory serves me right this would be the FIRST Pixar movie to get tossed out.
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Postby Pixar Builder » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:27 am

I can't wait enough for Monsters Inc. 2! With the exception of Cars, I think Pixar's really nailed it on which films they decided to give the sequel treatment to. To me, Monsters Inc. was always the funniest Pixar film so it will be great to see it get the reboot.
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Postby amaslyo » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:58 am

I think they'll both be really good.

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Postby Bryko614 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:38 am

An anonymous commenter on The Pixar Blog points out:

As I know about Monsters Inc. 2, the director is Doug Sweetland.


It'd be interesting, but I doubt it. I'd want to see Bob Peterson or Teddy Newton direct.
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Postby TS2 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:26 pm

My response:

Why would they even announce Newt in that previous lineup if they were speculating MI 2? I also think it's too many sequels, too many things for little kids, and that it might become too commercial. I remember being more excited for Newt than I was for anything else in that lineup. It seemed like t was going to be a more adult, maybe even raunchy comedy, and with PIXAR, that probably would have worked.

I'm sad to see PIXAR following th money instead of following innovation or story.

PLEASE, I IMPLORE YOU!!! RESURRECT NEWT!!!

But, there is this that makes me think Newt is still in the pipeline:

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Also, the wikipedia and I think the imdb pages still say that Newt is scheduled for June 2012. I hope so.[/img]
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Postby SgtYayap » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:27 pm

IllusionOfLife wrote:[I'm sorry, but I'm just not seeing it, yes there's the whole world of Monstropolis, but unless they focussed on other characters in other parts of the world I don't see how it could work. And you know that Pixar will most certainly focus on Mike and Sully, characters who have completed their character developments and had proper conclusions to their story. Aside from that, as I stated above, the core conflict of the world of Monstropolis had been concluded as well. There was a power shortage due to the complications of gathering screams, but laughter solved the problem. There was also the conflict in MI about the ethics of scaring innocent children, but that has also been solved. I just don't see any narrative left to explore.

You say there's potential, however you're not showing any evidence to back it up (I'm not trying to be aggressive, I'm just genuinely curious what you think could be added to). I'm a huge Pixar fan so of course I'd love to see more adventures with Mike and Sully, but I'm also a writer and a filmmaker and every creative bone in my body is saying that this is a very bad idea.


Well, I'm willing to say this, IllusionOfLife: though I have completely different reasons for my position, I agree with you that there's a high chance that Pixar will screw up the M.I. franchise with this sequel. Not that they haven't done that already as of recently, though. :(

First, let me make this clear to everyone: though the portrayal of a certain character in M.I. is indeed a major reason for me to not look forward to this, it is NOT the only reason. Certain comics endorsed by Pixar have M.I. issues so UN-faithful to the movie (and, again, it's not limited to said character's portrayal) that I fear that Pixar really HAS come to something bad, at least in regards to this particular creation of theirs. I should probably give examples that DON'T relate to the portrayal of said character in the comics:

1. Boo is at LEAST three years old in these comics, according to the first film, yet the writer seems to think that M.I. is like the Simpsons in that characters don't age at all.

2. Randall returns in two of the issues, and there is NO mention whatsoever of how he got back.

3. In the first issue, Mike and Sulley's roles have somewhat inverted in regards to Boo: Mike brings Boo back into the Monster World in an attempt to cheer Sulley up, and Sulley doesn't want it, as it could result in a scandal, yet, in the film, Mike was the same monster who wanted to get rid of her as soon as possible, and Sulley had wanted to be with Boo as long as possible towards the end!

4. Somewhere a crossover was decided to be necessary for no reason, and Sid Phillips of Toy Story appears in two of the issues. That there is DIRECT proof of unoriginality, as they couldn't even think of stuff strictly within the M.I. universe! Combine that with the impossibility of him being able to bust out two criminals from a high-security prison in one of the issues (reminder: he's only a TEEN!), whom he never even met before, and even pinning Celia down in a rapist position!

But the creepiest part, to me, does not have to do with these comics, themselves: the artist personally told me that it is 100% faithful to what Pixar created, and described it as extended canon!

Pixar thinking differently and letting this crud spread simultaneously does not strike me as realistic at all. That said, I'm honestly VERY scared about what the storyline is going to be. :(
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Postby TS2 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:25 pm

SgtYayap wrote:3. In the first issue, Mike and Sulley's roles have somewhat inverted in regards to Boo: Mike brings Boo back into the Monster World in an attempt to cheer Sulley up, and Sulley doesn't want it, as it could result in a scandal, yet, in the film, Mike was the same monster who wanted to get rid of her as soon as possible, and Sulley had wanted to be with Boo as long as possible towards the end!

4. Somewhere a crossover was decided to be necessary for no reason, and Sid Phillips of Toy Story appears in two of the issues. That there is DIRECT proof of unoriginality, as they couldn't even think of stuff strictly within the M.I. universe! Combine that with the impossibility of him being able to bust out two criminals from a high-security prison in one of the issues (reminder: he's only a TEEN!), whom he never even met before, and even pinning Celia down in a rapist position!

But the creepiest part, to me, does not have to do with these comics, themselves: the artist personally told me that it is 100% faithful to what Pixar created, and described it as extended canon!

Pixar thinking differently and letting this crud spread simultaneously does not strike me as realistic at all. That said, I'm honestly VERY scared about what the storyline is going to be. :(


That is disturbing. i am disquieted.
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Postby SgtYayap » Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:56 pm

You know, you CAN delete posts, TS2.

As for what you wrote:

Tell me about it. To me it was quite depressing even without Sid's newfound criminal behavior. And he doesn't even belong in this franchise! :?

Anyway, bottom line: though, again, I have different reasons than many people for not looking forward to the sequel to M.I., I WILL agree that it may not be worth it, given what we have so far, especially as of recently. :?
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Postby IllusionOfLife » Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:58 pm

SgtYayap wrote:Well, I'm willing to say this, IllusionOfLife: though I have completely different reasons for my position, I agree with you that there's a high chance that Pixar will screw up the M.I. franchise with this sequel. Not that they haven't done that already as of recently, though. :(


Hmm, you bring up some very interesting points. I think, though, that Pixar has perhaps gotten too big. John Lasseter had said that Pixar's quality needs to shine through, not only in the feature films but also in the merchandising, however, from the sounds of the comics, they're getting rushed out without review or much refinement.

I don't think that will be the case with Monsters, Inc. 2, I think that Pixar will create a good movie, I honestly do. However, Monsters, Inc. needs no sequel and a forced continuation will only hurt the first, no matter how good the second is. There's not enough narrative potential to rip open the seal of the first movie and try to build on top of it.
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