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Postby SgtYayap » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:12 pm

IllusionOfLife wrote:Hmm, you bring up some very interesting points. I think, though, that Pixar has perhaps gotten too big. John Lasseter had said that Pixar's quality needs to shine through, not only in the feature films but also in the merchandising, however, from the sounds of the comics, they're getting rushed out without review or much refinement.

I don't think that will be the case with Monsters, Inc. 2, I think that Pixar will create a good movie, I honestly do. However, Monsters, Inc. needs no sequel and a forced continuation will only hurt the first, no matter how good the second is. There's not enough narrative potential to rip open the seal of the first movie and try to build on top of it.


That's the only rational explanation I can think up of for this. I heard of their rule of listening to fans, yet, as of recently, as far as we know, they didn't even do that! There might still be a thread in the M.I. forum explaining what I'm referring to. And if I'm right about listening to fans, then it's easily explained by your "gotten too big" theory.

Well, in that sense of not looking forward to the sequel, I still agree. There is actually one potential GOOD storyline (it may have already been discussed in this thread, though) to continue the first, but, apparently, Pixar is choosing (at least, as far as we know) to, as pitbulllady would say it in this topic, "jump the shark" with repetition and, in some cases, some rather gruesome ends (i.e. how is a monster getting an inhumane death via a trash compactor in Ride and Go Seek supposed to be kid-friendly, let alone funny?). :?
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Postby TS2 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:14 pm

Sgt,

I've been on these boards a long time. I know... my computer messed up about ten minutes ago...

Yeah I've now been turned of to these PIXAR comics, and I hope they don't cross over into the movies.

:cry: it hurts to know that these kind of comics exist.
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Postby SgtYayap » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:17 pm

Sorry. :oops:

Alas, at least one MIGHT be carried over. One friend of mine suggested the theory that each issue was an idea Pixar had for the sequel. :(
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Postby TS2 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:32 pm

Oh god. Perish the thought. If John Lasseter's still alive, that won't happen.
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Postby IllusionOfLife » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:33 pm

SgtYayap wrote:(i.e. how is a monster getting an inhumane death via a trash compactor in Ride and Go Seek supposed to be kid-friendly, let alone funny?). :?


I always read that as playing more to the Japanese audience than anything else. I guarantee that if Ride and Go Seek ever comes to America it will have a different ending, but for Japan, it's great. Have you ever watched anime or read manga? That stuff is beyond messed up, but the Japanese eat it up. So that decision I've always felt was made to cater to the different audience.
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Postby Pixar Builder » Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:40 pm

SgtYayap wrote:
IllusionOfLife wrote:4. Somewhere a crossover was decided to be necessary for no reason, and Sid Phillips of Toy Story appears in two of the issues. That there is DIRECT proof of unoriginality, as they couldn't even think of stuff strictly within the M.I. universe! Combine that with the impossibility of him being able to bust out two criminals from a high-security prison in one of the issues (reminder: he's only a TEEN!), whom he never even met before, and even pinning Celia down in a rapist position!

But the creepiest part, to me, does not have to do with these comics, themselves: the artist personally told me that it is 100% faithful to what Pixar created, and described it as extended canon!


I'm really sorry to ask this SgtYayap but [Citation Needed]. Which Monsters Inc comic, exactly, did they have Sid travel into the Monster world? And when did the artists claim anywhere that the comics were intended to be canon? I can't find any information about that.
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Postby theoutsider1983 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:57 pm

While I'm looking forward to the next three Pixar film's, I'm a little dissapointed at the same time. The last three Pixar films are my favorites from them, with Wall E being my favorite of the three and my favorite movie of all time. So I'm a little dissapointed in the fact that the next three films are all sequels. I want something fresh and new. I was looking forward to Newt more than anything else they had coming up. But after reading the Ed Catmull interview posted recently, I'm assuming this is one of the reasons why they went this route.

"If I look at the range, you’ve got one [constraint] that is art school, I’m doing this for arts sake, Ratatouille and WALL-E clearly fall more on that side, the other is the purely commercial side, where you’ve got a lot of films that are made purely for following a trend, if you go entirely for the art side then eventually you fail economically. if you go purely commercially then I think you fail from a soul point of view… we’ve got these elements pulling on both sides, the art side and the commercial side… and the the trick is not to let one side win."

I sometimes have to remind myself that Pixar has investors and other people to answer to and people to employ. Yea, they do some pretty out there things and take risk, but they are also a company that has to make money. Oh well, I'm sure the sequels are in good hands. And I will be in the theatre opening day to see their next four films.
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Postby SgtYayap » Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:22 pm

Pixar Builder wrote:I'm really sorry to ask this SgtYayap but [Citation Needed]. Which Monsters Inc comic, exactly, did they have Sid travel into the Monster world? And when did the artists claim anywhere that the comics were intended to be canon? I can't find any information about that.


I'll PM you about this.
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Postby totoro » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:00 pm

pixarfan9099 wrote:This is incredible! I wonder who's going to direct Monsters Inc. 2. Maybe Bob Peterson?

I'll put my money, well, not on Waxford :wink:, but on Pete Docter getting back into the director's chair.
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Postby lizardgirl » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:09 pm

theoutsider1983- That explains a lot, but at the same time I refuse to believe that Ratatouille and WALL-E were unsuccessful financially.

I, personally, think that Pixar have made two big mistakes here. Firstly, Brave? It's just not a great title for a film, almost as bad as Cars. Pixar were happy to release a film called Ratatouille, a word a surprising number of people (especially children) are unable to pronounce, so what was wrong with the title The Bear and the Bow I'll never know. The latter title may have been lengthy, but it's much more evocative of ye olde worlde tales of adventure than Brave, which could be about pretty much anything.

Secondly, Monsters, Inc. 2. Putting aside one obvious reason why I might not be so happy, the fact is that Pixar have got one of their key films, a film perfect in its succinctness and the feeling that it's all been wrapped up nicely, and they're making a sequel to it. A real shame, I think, as much as I'd love to visit the Monster World again. A real, real shame.
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Postby Bill » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:37 pm

I said this before on the blog, and I'll say it again here - I was against the title change to Brave from the beginning. I loved the title of The Bear and the Bow - very original, perfect title for the premise, and also for a fairy tale. Brave is one of the most obscure, bad titles I've ever seen for a film - especially a Pixar film. I do not see how Brave fits in any way with the film than the original titling. Unfortunately, there's nothing I, or anyone here, can do about it.

I just hope they know what they are doing - I hate to say this, especially here, but this is the first time that I have ever seriously doubted the studio with a decision.

lizardgirl wrote:I, personally, think that Pixar have made two big mistakes here. Firstly, Brave? It's just not a great title for a film, almost as bad as Cars. Pixar were happy to release a film called Ratatouille, a word a surprising number of people (especially children) are unable to pronounce, so what was wrong with the title The Bear and the Bow I'll never know. The latter title may have been lengthy, but it's much more evocative of ye olde worlde tales of adventure than Brave, which could be about pretty much anything.

Secondly, Monsters, Inc. 2. Putting aside one obvious reason why I might not be so happy, the fact is that Pixar have got one of their key films, a film perfect in its succinctness and the feeling that it's all been wrapped up nicely, and they're making a sequel to it. A real shame, I think, as much as I'd love to visit the Monster World again. A real, real shame.


I couldn't agree more, sadly.
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Postby Nexas » Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:19 am

Actually TS2, Pixar at least aims to do films that are for all audiences, not just little kids. Though I agree with you, Newt shouldn't be tossed out, it seemed like a good story.

Also, careful with how you proceed Sgt.
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Postby Pixar Builder » Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:21 am

I was against PIXAR makin' Fairy Tales the day Toy Story came out so the title change really makes no difference to me.

Still, considering how annoying short "Up" is, I would have preferred the longer title.
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Postby Bill » Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:24 am

I urge everyone to vote in a poll I started surrounding the apparent controversy with the title change to Brave:

http://www.pixarplanet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6378
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Postby SgtYayap » Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:25 am

Nexas wrote:Also, careful with how you proceed Sgt.


Fortunately for you, I may have said everything I need to in this thread. And yes, I AM trying to keep this discussion said-character-free, which, surprisingly, isn't as hard as I thought it would be, in this case.
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