Anyone up for MI2?

Regardless of opinion, Monsters Inc. truely did leave

allot of things up in the air. Although for Randall mostly, I do agree with another poster about Boo in some

degree, being, seemingly, the only monster-world-seeing human.

However, back to my friend here.
I’m

not labeling, or if I am oh well, but Phoenician…do you have any opinion on reptiles in particular? Or scaly

beings?

If that’s not the reason, then you must be oblivious to the facts that Pitbulllady had supplied

you with.

No. Monsters Inc. has not ended.
There are questions left that are needed to be answered.

Randall is not dead. Heh. To put it in a sense, that would make the goodtooshoes Sullivan and Wazowski murders

now wouldn’t it? Revenge or not, they had no legal authority.

"I’m thinking a new baddie would rise

instead anyways"

I actually agree with you on the above quote in a way. Randall wasn’t the bad guy

to begin with. He was shown more to give people that influence that he was behind everything. But on the contrary

he was a pawn.
As for a new bad guy in the new M.I., that doesn’t seem to bad. Having the word

“new” would exclude Ran from the category thankfully.

The fact there is

no “sign” in the movie just pushes for a sequel to be made.
If you have no questions Groaning, fine,

I have no beef, but it won’t do you harm at all if we had our questions answered.

I was worried that I was going to strike a chord.

Anyways,

no I have nothing against reptiles and other animals in general. I actually quite like Randall – he’s one cool

monster. And yes, Waternoose deserves to punished as well . . . and he probably did . . . even if he somehow

gets out of prison. Point is, both “baddies” got fitting endings, IMO. Waternoose took his company

loyalty to such an extreme he not only lost his control of his dying MI, he missed out on it’s major

revitilization.

And as for Randall, he was more just more physical when it came to Mike & Sulley.

He wanted to suckout the scream from Wazowski, kill (or totally paralyze) Sulley, and he got to banish them both.

Alongside the fact that he WAS Boo’s Scarer (and I can only imagine his methods were for scaring her . . . I

mean, he WAS trying to beat the Scare Record for some time–[i]but I’ll admit[/i]

that motivation was pretty much gone when the actual movie began) just made his punishment of being wacked in the

Bayou all the more fitiing.

And who’s to say that Randall dies from being wacked? Odds are, he’ll just

become like the rest of the other banished monsters like Abominable Snowman, Bigfoot, & Nessie . . . he’ll

find a nice place to hide (from the Bayou Wackers) and soon become some urbab legend (maybe the whole Alligators

in the Sewers in NYC – KIDDING :wink: )

As for Waternoose being behind the whole thing, sure he planned

it, and he gave Randall orders, but Randall’s one tough guy, and I bet he had some reigning stake in this too –

I mean, They were arguing as near-equals after they Banished Mike & Sulley (Randall: "Eh, Sullivan got

what he deserved" . . . Waternoose: “You weren’t half the scarer Sullivan was!”) As much as

Waternoose was the overall head honcho, I can’t help but think he and Randall were in this together.

Now

as for Randall’s partner (I hate not knowing his name right now) yeah, HE was mistreated and given orders, and I

really don’t think he had a claim to anything if Waternoose & Randall succeeded.

As for things being

left open . . . I don’t know anymore, you may have convinced me on that. But trust me, I’m not out against

Randall - I’m just fine where he is right now . . . .

Lol, I was waiting for this to happen! But, you know, I’m gonna try and approach

this not as a Randall fan, but as a normal observer.

I do know what you’re saying, Phoenician, and I can

understand where you’re coming from, but I have always seen Waternoose as the big guy in charge, and Randall as

someone who yes, had a tough personality and appeared outwardly strong, but if you put it into context,

Waternoose found it incredibly easy to banish Mike and Sulley, and there’s a chance that he himself banished the

other monsters, such as Bigfoot.

Therefore, Randall would always have a reason to fear him. The reason

Randall was getting so big for his boots by saying things such as ‘Sullivan got what he deserved’ was because

Randall truly believed that if everything went to plan, he would get promoted, and he would get respect and an

overall better lifestyle! Of course, with what Waternoose had in mind, and considering how Waternoose had

betrayed pretty much everyone, I wouldn’t be surprised if Waternoose was planning to banish Randall after the

machine was ready anyway. What use would he have for someone who had begun to question his

authority?

Also, when Waternoose says ‘You weren’t half the scarer Sullivan was!’, Randall doesn’t

actually reply. So, Randall insulted Sullivan, then Waternoose insulted Randall, and Randall didn’t really have

the guts to hit back. As Waternoose said, ‘I never should’ve trusted you with this!’, implying that Waternoose

was at the core of it all. Randall didn’t have much choice about whether or not to build the SE once approached

by Waternoose, since Waternoose could do what he liked with Randall and no one would really care. Anyway, Randall

was happy to go along with it purely because he wanted the rewards from it, but partly because he didn’t want to

have to go through any unecessary punishments. That’s why he’s so desperate to find the child when it had been

lost- if Waternoose found out, heads would roll, so to speak.

At the end of the day, of course Randall

deserved some kind of punishment- he had done many terrible things- but I, personally, still feel that he got off

worse than Waternoose. Mike and Sulley had Randall’s life in their hands, pretty literally, and they decided his

fate which was NOT their responsibility. Randall wasn’t going anywhere at that point, so Sulley should’ve just

handed him over to the CDA and let them do their job.

Striking a cord? Hmmm…perhaps.

My pal Ran does had allot of controversy around him…but I suppose it’s expected heh.

Well I’m not

saying Randall is a saint, oh come on WHO is nowadays heh, but he didn’t deserve death (As it WAS intended, as

being sent into a human home is a death-sentence) or banishment.
Like Waternoose, he deserved a trial.
In

terms of Waternoose, I agree. However…there is more to this Scream Extractor business outside of M.I. that I

think should come to light someday…

Well I would tell the reason why Randall was Top Scarer before

Sullivan…but I don’t want to get into that…
Though I SERIOUSLY hate the fact of saying that just because

Randall wanted the Top Scarer record (back), that he deserved the end result.

Well more like Exhiled.

Randall wasn’t Banished. Banishment is one of the harshest punishments in the Monster World and is decided in a

court of law through a trial, which Randall never got.

That quote mentioned just show theirs no love lost

between these two. Waternoose was willing to do anything to keep the family buisness. May I remind everyone that

Waternoose IS the CEO of Monsters Inc. And not to mention that Randall was a worker. And in such, Waternoose

would have the ability to fire Randall.
Now this would get into the whole "Randall was the only reptile

(excluding the snakes for Celia) seen in the film so they must be the discriminative race" thing but that’s

for another time.
Well to put it simply, Randall had a handle on machinary. Waternoose saw that. Used his

rivalry with Sullivan to push Randall into making the machine, and used the “You WILL be fired” card as

his last resort.
Randall was basically shoved between a rock and a hard place.

Fungus. Well

mistreatment from Randall…well in some ways, it could be said that Fungus actually enjoys teeing Randall

off.
Now you may think this is just justification on Ran’s part from me, however…if I recall ther is some

medical term or something similiar that has the reaction of getting joy from other’s stress.
To prove my

matter, you can see Fungus smiling as he enters the bathroom to tell Randall the news about Boo.

Where he

is right now? Hmm. Well regardless of opinion, Randall would probably get back to the Monster World sometime,

having had a change of mind and heart through his experiences.

Thing is, right now in this current

debate, I don’t see any point of “reptiles” being seen as bad guys or anything. I mean, you even

forgot to mention Ted the Godzilla-like foot we saw on Mike & Sullivan’s way to work - he seemed like a

decent fellow too. I see nothing eluding to “scales = bad.”

I REALLY don’t think Waternoose

was pulling a “Fire Card” anywhere on Randall . . . I don’t even remember there being a reference at

all in the film.

And I don’t see Randall’s exile/banishment/what-have-you to be a reference to him being

killed. Sure he got wacked by the Bayou folk (I just love saying that combination of words, by the way, and it

has nothing to do with Randall, guys!!) . . . but come on, we spent a good 15+ minutes TALKING to one of the

monsters who was banished . . . the Abominable Snowman . . . and who knows HOW long he’s been banished . . .

enough to make him a centuries-old legend, I imagine!

Given what Waternoose did to

Sulley, an old family friend, when HE found out Waternoose’s secret and dared to cross him, I don’t think

Randall so much had to worry about Waternoose pulling “the Fire Card” as he did the

“Cement-Boots-and-Long-Swimming-Trip Card”! It was clear that Waternoose did not like Randall, had no

respect for him at all, UNLIKE how he felt about Sulley, and I have little doubt that he intended for Mike and

Sulley to perish in the Himalayas. If he would do that to a family friend, someone who had recently stated

“you’ve been like a father to me”, HOW can anyone have any doubt that if RANDALL had disobeyed him or

crossed him in any way, that HIS fate would have been 10 times worse? And even so, just because Waternoose never

specifically mentions firing(or doing anything else)Randall, NO boss/superviser is going to put up with

“insubordination”, and that is especially true when that boss/superviser has as much on the line as

Waternoose did. I can speak loudly and from experience here, having been put in the unpleasant situation myself

of being told by a superviser to do something highly illegal, as in FELONY illegal, and being told I would

receive great rewards and perks if I did it, and would be fired if I didn’t. So I KNOW that people like

Waternoose won’t flinch at playing “the Fire Card”, or worse. I knew, though, that there would be no

reward for me if I followed through with those orders, but that my dear superviser intended to turn me in to

state authorities, and I would be looking at a minimum of 10 years with no chance of parole! I chose to disobey,

and guess what? They DID play the “Fire Card”! I lost my teaching position in that district, was

“blacklisted” from pretty much getting work in any respectable school district in the state, and wound

up in the poorest, lowest-ranking district in the state-the only one that would have me, all because I refused to

break the law as ordered. Of course, it was THEIR word against MINE, so who do you think that the courts would

have believed? Like Waternoose, the school district I worked for had access to powerful and intimidating

lawyers, and I didn’t, and no, teachers in our state do not have a union. I can personally vouch for the stress

that Randall must have been under, which can and will cause anyone to “snap”, no matter how

“good” a person you think you are. I can vouch for the tactics that bosses and supervisers can and

will use, to gain the control of employees and manipulate and use them for their own gains. And I DON’T have

to HEAR Waternoose threaten Randall, anymore than I have to hear the weatherman tell me the sun will rise in the

morning, to KNOW it would have been a very plausible scenario-Been There, Done That. Randall chose a different

path from mine, possibly because he felt that the rewards would outweigh the risks and stress involved, though I

really do think that by the time the events of the movie transpired, he KNEW that he was in over his head, and

KNEW that he was driving 100 m.p.h. down a dead-end road, with no brakes. He was trying to deny it, trying to

hang on desparately to what he no doubt saw as his last-ditch chance to grab ahold of the Monster World

equivalent of the American Dream. In his immaturity(he was, after all, just 25), Randall, like a child, had to

blame SOMEBODY for all the stress and anxiety he was under, and he sure couldn’t say anything to Waternoose, now

could he? Sulley, therefore, became the target, the scapegoat, and I have just as little doubt that Waternoose

had done everything he could to exploit Randall’s fear of Sulley(or anyone else)breaking the All-Time Scream

Record, in order to keep Randall’s “comfort zone” to a minimum and help ensure his cooperation.

Again, Been There, Done That myself, so I know how the Waternooses of the world operate

first-hand!

pitbulllady

I totally agree with Groaning,

Monsters INC is the movie that should NEVER get a sequel. The ending was so beautiful, so poetical and touching.

Seeing a sequel to it would ruin it for me. Please thoses characters don’t need any new adventure, I don’t

wanna see them deal with a growing Boo or a Randall comeback…

Then don’t buy a

ticket when the sequel comes.

Ladies and gentlemen, please cool it. We’ve already gotten complaints about the tone

of this thread.

I’ll try to keep this post as well mannered as I can.

Personally, I don’t relly want a Monsters Inc 2.

It was a beautiful ending to such a marvelous story. I’m sure that there are many ideas that could contribute,

but right now, I don’t really want a Monster’s Inc.

All I have to say is if anyone’s going to rush through it, then

I don’t want one. I would rather have no sequel at all then a bad one.

It’s not that I don’t have

faith in Pixar, Lord knows they haven’t disipointed me at all <3 . But the fact that they’ve been purchased

by Disney, and the overwhelming amount of Cheapquels that Disney have shelled out lately…
I appriciate

all the work that goes into animation, but the story counts too, so if a sequel is going to be made, I’m willing

to wait until I’m thirty if that’s what it takes for everyone to get the story together just the way they want

it :stuck_out_tongue:

In terms of

tension, I suppose it would be expected in something such as this.

Well even if there is a Monsters Inc.

sequel it probably won’t be for years.

In terms of rushing, I completely agreeing. Some things are not

done well by by going through as fast as you can. And I also agree that the story is what makes a movie, or

anything for that matter.

Thank you so much

KE :wink: If some of you forgot, the main purpose for this post was your opinion of an MI sequel, and if you had

one a “breif” idea for a plot to the sequel. I know there are real fans out there but try to keep this

general. It wasn’t for evaluating the justification of the original, but what you would want to see in the

sequel. If you don’t wan’t one be as polite as you possibly can and say so, no problem. Be cool 'bout it

folks. :sunglasses: You’re scaring people away :shake:
:mrgreen:

I agree once again

heh.

Personally I am unsure if I stated before, but I guess again.
In the sequel I know Randall would

come back, wouldn’t seem Monsters Inc. without him. But I would like them to show a turnabout for him. (In

Disney ways, sorta like Iago in the Aladdin sequel).

Or Stitch in Lilo and Stitch; remember he wasn’t

exactly “Good Guy Material” to start with, cute and furry or not! His character arc, along with that

of the arrogant, boastful, ambitious Lightning McQueen, is much more meaningful and moving than some "Good

Guy" beating up some “Bad Guy”, teaching the kiddies that everyone is either 100% Good or 100%

Bad, no in-betweens or “gray areas”, and no way to change.

pitbulllady

Great way to start over folks. :mrgreen: I would want to see Randall return. If any of you

read fanfictions there’s a great story worth a sequel here:

[url]http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2163547/1[/url]

Here’s another worth reading, a one-shot prequel

fic.(real short) [url]http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3148002/1[/url] :mrgreen:

I get that

“Page Cannot Be Found” thingie for the first one, but I’m assuming that it’s "Changing

Colours" by Lil Bandit, right? I just read the conclusion, and that is EXACTLY the sort of thing I’d LOVE

to see in a sequel! It would be perfect! If nothing else, Randall will have had time to GROW UP, hopefully, and

believe me, time does have a way of changing one’s perspective and priorities.

pitbulllady

Sorry bout that folks (thanx PBL :wink: ) For

some reason the links don’t work. But yea I’m talkin bout Lil B’s “Changing Colours”. Loved it!

:mrgreen: “Different Assistant” is great too!

Instead here’s that home page (this one should

work): http://www.fanfiction.net Go to Movies, scroll down to Monsters, inc, and read these two

stories:

Changing Colours by Lil Bandit (sequel)
Different Assistant by Lil Bandit (prequel)

If

you deciede to read em tell me whatcha think! I would wanna see a sequel like that! :mrgreen:

Hmmm. I also have an account on FF.Net.

Some people say my Kevin Boggs story is a sequel worth.

For Lil Bandit, I have seen that work as well and

it is something that Pixar SHOULD see. Hmm…gonna have to look them over again.