[C2 SPOILERS!] Let's Talk About Mater and Holley...

Yes. Holley is awesome. :smiley:

You know, thinking about it, I kinda find it interesting that they almost had Mater attracted to a Porche, because Iā€™ve had this theory for a bit that at some point long before the first movie, Mater might have had feelings for Sally, but she shot him down or he got over it or whatever. It just makes sense to me.

Oh man, I didnā€™t expect to like Holley that much, but now Iā€™m as enamoured with her as I was with Sally when I watched the first movie! <3

Interesting observation on the Jaguar callback to the first movie, Netbug! Wiki listed her as a Jaguar XJR-15, although there has been many speculations on IMCDB, a movie car-identification website.

I personally thought she was a Scorpion HX awhile back. The truth is probably somewhere in between; sheā€™s most likely an amalgation of a few models much like how Lightning and Mater are not really based on any real-life models.

Oh yeah, Mater and Holley. Really cute couple, they sort of remind me of Maxwell Smart and Agent 99. I really wished they had more scenes together, and even one or two quiet interludes like what Lightning and Sally had in the first movie. I can just imagineā€¦ Holley, tears in her eyes, pleading with Mater not to risk his life as a secret agent, that such a good and honest tow-truck doesnā€™t deserve to die, even if itā€™s to save the world, and he just looks at her tenderly and saysā€¦ umā€¦ heyā€¦ I smell a great one-shot coming!

Neat screenshots, BTW! How did you, um, manage to procure them?

WRITEITWRITEITWRITEIT. :astonished:

I got them from trailers, featurettes, and various clips Disney has shared with the internet. Itā€™s amazing how much footage there really is available digging around Rotten Tomatoes/Fandango/Disneyā€™s official Youtube accounts!

And yeah, I get the feeling sheā€™s a sort-of-Jaguar but a Pixar original, like how Lightning is a sort of Chorvette-race-carā€¦thing.

Also, speaking of couple comparisons, am I the only one who sees a bit of WALL-E and EVE in these two?

I mean

Materā€™s a rusty old machine and has a job that is considered rather low on the totem pole. He is friendly, kinda clumsy, and very emotionally driven.

Holleyā€™s a sleek new machine and has a special job that is highly classified. She is a bit uptight, intelligent, and a stickler for protocol/by the book (Thereā€™s not much of her stickler/by the book in the film, but interviews/bios bring up a few times that she is fresh out of the academy and is used to simulated combat, and itā€™s given some spotlight in the video gamesā€¦ In a really cute way, I might note. Mater and Holley bickering! XD)

He is immediately smitten by her. She is not as impressed. He ends up getting sucked into her world.

I canā€™t be the only one who sees it! XD

Also also, Holley has quickly become one of my favorite characters too. Sheā€™s adorable. I think she might be my favorite Cars character now, even. :smiley:

Iā€™m not the only one who thought of this! :smiley: I definitely think way before Lightning came along, Mater had something for Sally but I think it was only a little crush that passed after time. I think Sallyā€™s too nice to shoot him down, we never know, she probably did go on a ā€œdateā€ with him just to make him happy. 8D (That would be an interesting oneshotā€¦ :nerd: )

And I totally agree on the Wall-E and Eve comparison! Now that I see it, itā€™s so obvious! Although Holley isnā€™t my favorite Cars character and I do like Sally more, sheā€™s definitely up there in my top five. It must be the accentā€¦ shakes fist curse those British accents, they get me every time. :mrgreen:

TDIT: That would of been a great scene in the movie! Yes, write it! :smiley:

Holley is my favorite Cars 2 character, and in my top 5 Cars characters.

I love Holley. And Mater. And then together. I am such a fanboy D:
And I liek these ā€œone-shotā€ ideas :slight_smile:

I dunnoā€¦ Sally IS nice, but sheā€™s clear about what she wants. I think it would have been meaner to lead Mater on like that. She could have let him down politely.

Now I wanna write that. XD

Now that I think about it, it would be kind of mean. Ahh, he got over it anyway. :wink: Haha, well you can still write it! Iā€™m positive weā€™re not going to come up with the same exact thing! :slight_smile:

Oh, I meant I wanted to write her shooting him down. Not the pity date thing youā€™re planning. Letā€™s both write our plots and meet up at the end! XD

Oh, sorry! Hahahaha, okay! I should definitely get started on it then. :nerd:

I thought I was alone on this! :smiley: I mean, the evidence is all there, which I discuss in this post.

Actually, a fanfic writer speculated on this a few years ago - Fooled Around and Fell in Love. Itā€™s one of my favourite fanfics simply for the opening chapter, which wouldā€™ve been a complete one-shot in itself. Although I never got round to finishing it, this post reminded me that I should! Itā€™s only 4 chapters, really.

I actually thought of touching on this conflict between Sallyā€™s past with Mater and her present with Lightning in my Cars/24 crossover fanfic, which has been on indefinite hiatus for a few years (Yes, I actually thought of a spy fanfic before the sequel was announced!). :wink:

Thanks guys, Iā€™m definitely going to try sit down and write this one-shot in the coming days. I actually have three in mind, all of scenes which I wish wouldā€™ve been included in the movie, that wouldā€™ve made the story so much stronger in lieu of all the confusing side-plots and unnecessary exposition.

I just got done with the first chapter, and I have to say, I love it so far. Had there not been another Cars movie, I actually pictured things going somewhat like that. Haha, everyone is so true to character and everything; itā€™s fantastic!

You made so many good points in that post, TDIT.I actually did read this fanfic a while ago. I donā€™t think I ever finished it on account of me thinking it was too weird, but that was years ago. I think Iā€™m going finish it this time, itā€™s an awesome story. But me being the total Lightning and Sally canon shipper, I have some reserves about it. [spoil]Lightning cheating[/spoil], I can honestly see that happening (with him being a celebrity and all) but I just canā€™t see Sally and Mater in a total full-on relationship. I just think Mater had an innocent crush on her or thought she was really pretty or something, and she only liked him as a really good friend. By the way, a Cars/24 crossover fanfic? That has to be awesome! Are you going to continue it? :smiley:

Ugh, donā€™t tell me this is one of those ā€œCharacter A does something uncharacteristic to cause breakup with Character B so Characters B and C can be a coupleā€ things.

I canā€™t stand that starting point in a plot TBH. It always feels forced to me and feels like it is bashing whoever unlucky Character A turns out to be. Iā€™ll still give it a chance and read it sometime, but I canā€™t promise Iā€™ll appreciate it as much as you guys seem to have. o_0

I know,I hate thatā€¦it dosenā€™t even make any senseā€¦stories like that are only made to bash the original characterā€¦ :neutral_face:

Netbug & CarsLuver: Well, I can only say that you should read that fanfic first to make an informed comment. But yeah, I can understand how some fanfic writers try to push their own OCs into a romantic relationship and break up canon pairings just for some fancy wish-fulfillment. I donā€™t like that sort of thing, because it feels gratuitous to me.

The only kinds of fan-pairings I appreciate are those whereby the relationship is unconfirmed (like Po and Tigress, or Marlin and Dory), or a fan-pairing of an OC with a single character (Like Pedro, or Nico, from Rio), or a breakup between two unofficial canon pairings (like Lightning and Sally). On that last point, at the end of Cars, there was a hint that they wanted to kiss, but it wasnā€™t fulfilled in an official sense, so everythingā€™s still open-ended. Of course, now that the sequel has been released and we see [spoil]Lightning and Sally dating at the Wheel Well[/spoil], we can safely assume they are ā€˜going steadyā€™. But this fanfic was written before the second movie was released (and therefore takes place before the second movieā€™s events), so it is entirely possible and even plausible.

See, Iā€™m looking at it totally differently. I felt like they were a couple at the end of the first film whether they kissed or not. shrugs

Of course, Iā€™m open to a well written fan-pairing fic either way, so that part doesnā€™t really affect my attitude towards such a story. Iā€™m just not big on that plot I mentioned before.

LOL, We transitioned from Mater/Holley to Mater/Sally to Lightning/Sally. Oops. XD

Uhā€¦uhā€¦ Speaking of fic, anybody else been reading Nobodyā€™s Fool? :smiley:

TDIT:Weā€™re informed :wink: ā€¦and are you saying theyā€™re a couple now or theyā€™re not? And I donā€™t believe that whole thing about them possilby breaking up after the first movieā€¦cause to begin with there was no chemistry between her and Materā€¦Mater may have liked her before Lightning came but that dosenā€™t mean that it atomaticly makes Mater/Sally a possible coupleā€¦and about that whole ā€œMiss Sallyā€ thing he called her that in the second movie,dosenā€™t really mean anythingā€¦I find it really hard to call a non-canon fan-fic by a random person ā€œplausableā€,if Lightning and Sally have been together the whole time according to the websiteā€¦besides why would Mater go with Sally only to break up with her so she can be with Lightningā€¦any way you slice it it really dosenā€™t make senseā€¦I understand if youā€™re talking in terms of randomly pairing characters,but to declare Mater/Sally as a possible canon couple dosenā€™t fitā€¦it just dosenā€™t. Itā€™s not a matter of opinion itā€™s factualā€¦

About that kiss thing,you can blame Mater for that 8D ā€¦itā€™s not like they wernā€™t going to anywayā€¦

Honestly, Iā€™ve said this before, but I see Mater much like a friend who Sally protects dearly, but who is like a brother to her, not a boyfriend. Like Monique and Ed from Good Burger. Now, itā€™s just an analogy. Cars is better than Good Burger. Donā€™t shoot. 8D But Monique is into Dexter, and they date in the movie. However, Moā€™ fiercely defends Ed from Dexterā€™s conniving ways. The scene where, in Good Burger, [spoil]Moā€™ approaches Dexter for ripping Ed off for money[/spoil] very much reminds me of when Sally, in Cars, asks Lightning if he meant what he said to Mater about ā€œgetting a ride in one of them fancy helicopters.ā€ Case in point: Sally cares for Mater, and protects him from those who would take advantage of him, but isnā€™t in love with him. That is left to Holley. <3 Sally loves Lightning only, IMO.

I agree with TDIT. I, also, felt the same way about Lightning and Sallyā€™s relationship having loose ties at the end of the first movie. Whether they kissed or not, it wouldnā€™t be automatically obvious that they were a couple. I mean, itā€™s like people, isnā€™t it?

I am! And me not being a big MaterXHolley fan, I love it. :mrgreen:

Now, now. We donā€™t need to put down someone elseā€™s opinion. Weā€™re all entitled to our own opinions and views as fans. To state something like that as factual is somewhat pretentious.