[C2 SPOILERS!] Let's Talk About Mater and Holley...

I can see Lightning being capable of cheating, especially since he was such a player at the beginning of the first movie. Of course, he was reformed by the end of the first movie, but it is always possible that he might be tempted by the younger Miatas. It would be ‘in-character’ for him, and not as shocking if say, Ramone cheated on Flo, or Mater cheated on Doreen, or whatever.

As for Mater hooking up with Sally (haha, ‘hook’, you know, Mater has a hook… oh, never mind), I view it as possible as well. Most romantic love develops out of deep friendship, and Mater has spent more time together with Sally compared to Lightning’s ‘flash in the pan’. You get to know more about someone after many years rather than over the course of a few days. So I felt that Mater and Sally would’ve been a more plausible pairing than the canon one.

Have you read it? You can find it in the Fanfictions board, or you can follow this link. This was my first fanfiction in my life, so go easy on it! :wink: I might continue it if I ever find the time down the road. Oh, haha. I just made a car pun.

Yeah, it was implied. I was kinda bummed they didn’t ‘declare their love’, but I’m glad that Pixar didn’t go the cliched route of ‘kiss at the iris close-out’.

I can’t recall if he referred to her “Miss Sally” in the second movie, I only said that he called her that in the first. And it is because it is a non-canon fanfic that I said it was “plausible” and not the “absolute truth”. I wouldn’t call it the “absolute truth” because it is non-canon, only a possible interpretation by a fan. But it is believable (ie plausible).

If someone say, wrote a fanfic about Ramone cheating on Flo and becoming a gay partner with Sarge, that wouldn’t make sense at all, because it is too ‘out of character’ for him. It is still possible (nothing ever’s impossible when it comes to relationships), but it’s implausible. It’s too ‘out there’. On the other hand, Mater, despite having a platonic relationship with Sally when we are first introduced to them, could plausibly be still having feelings for Sally. We didn’t know what happened before Cars. He could’ve tried dating her, but it didn’t work out. He magnanimously introduces Sally to Lightning and tries to get the couple hitched up, but we didn’t know whether he’s already dated her before. It could be possible that they could ‘rebound’ and become a couple again (and I’ve seen this happen with real-life couples).

There is no proof - but the absence of proof doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. If I don’t see a monster in front of me, doesn’t mean there isn’t one behind me. I could use a theological/religious example of God, but I won’t go there. Basically, there is proof that Lightning and Sally like each other at the end of the first movie (the near kiss, the Sh-Boom sequence, Lightning moving to R.S.). But just because he shows commitment doesn’t mean that he wouldn’t renege on it in the future. I could be committed to finishing my fanfic by sitting down, writing a few chapters, but I can never predict the future (maybe someone will call me, maybe my house will burn down or my computer explode). Likewise, at the time that fanfic was written, Cars 2 wasn’t in release yet, so fans were free to speculate ‘What Ifs?’

Of course, now that the sequel is out, we are pretty much 90% certain they are going steady, again by evidence of the Wheel Well dinner date. But until I see an actual character description on the official website saying Sally is “Lighning’s girlfriend” or vice-versa, everything is still up in the air. It is more of an implied theory based on observation of their behaviour together, but it is not a fact until they, say, have babies, or one of them says “I love you” to the other or they marry or whatever. Also, just because there is no evidence that supports a Mater/Sally pairing doesn’t mean that fanfic writers who support this ship are totally wrong (Again, I’d use the ‘Monster behind me’ or God as an example). Likewise, Violet x Syndrome, or Professor Z x Holley shippers, like Mater x Sally shippers, they just don’t have canon evidence to support their claims. But again, that doesn’t mean they’re wrong (or right).

One last plug. So most of you would know I’m extremely discontented with the story in Cars 2. So I’ve written a trilogy of one-shots which I’m planning to post up over the weekend (Friday, Saturday, Sunday) with my own take on events from the movie. Some of you might remember I lamented about how I would do a post-Tokyo-race scene between Lightning and Sally, or how I would write a moment where Holley pleads Mater not to risk his life, etc. So just keep a lookout on deviantART and fanfiction, and I’ll post the links on the Fanfiction board when I upload them. :wink:

Thanks for listening.

TDIT: Ahh, car puns; they’re so hard to ignore. :wink: About your fanfiction, I don’t have to go easy on it at all! It’s…AMAZING. :open_mouth: I love it. Awesome job, buddy! :smiley:

Amen, nicely put. And let me just say, I agree with everything else you mentioned. There was so many other things that you wrote that I can’t respond to them all because all I would be saying is “Agreed, agreed, agreed.” 8D

Well, in Lightning’s bio, it does say something about Sally being his sweetheart and in Sally’s, “…but only Lightning truly makes her motor purr.” And does Lightning saying [spoil]“That’s why I love you, Sally.”[/spoil] at the end of Cars 2 count? <3

Thanks for your reply, SallyMcQueen! Perhaps you might like to provide some feedback in that thread? I’d love to hear what aspects of it you liked and which parts I can improve on, in the event I resurrect his long-dormant crossover fanfic. :slight_smile:

I’m glad you can see my point of view. I mean, you don’t have to agree with it (although I’m glad you did!), but I really appreciate it.

Is this on the official site? Having paid a visit to it in a while. Oh, and how can I forget the “[spoil]That’s why I love you[/spoil]” line? :smiley: Also, if you read the comics in the Cars magazine, there’s one comic where Lightning gives Sally “anniversary rings”. So it is implied that they’ve officially been a couple for awhile, since I take it it’s not a “friendship anniversary” as more of a “romantic love anniversary”. I bought a compendium of the Cars magazine comics on my trip to Adelaide last month that I might post this up in the future if some of you missed it. :wink:

But yeah, again, just because Lightning is committed now, doesn’t mean it’s impossible for him to cheat later on. Not trying to rain on the fanshippers’ parade or anything, and if you ask me, it’s 90% likely that they will marry and have babies and grow old and die together and all that, but it is not impossible for him to have an affair with someone else, or for Sally to have a ‘rebound’ with Mater. That’s what fanfics are for - to explore ‘What Ifs’ and take the canon story into new territories.

Of course, yes, I can never imagine Ramone cheating on Flo and being Sarge’s gay partner, but if someone wrote that, I would read it to see if the person actually put any thought into it and to see whether it is plausible, rather than shutting it off. And it depends on people’s tastes. I, for example, would never in my entire life, read vore or feet-tickle fanfiction. Those are kinda weird fetishes to me, so in a way, I’m being close-minded towards those factions. But some people like it, so yeah, okay, you know, whatever rocks your boat, right? :wink:

TDIT: You really aren’t a fan of Lightning, are you? 8D

Out of curiosity, who would you pair Holley and Lightning with if Sally and Mater were an item? :smiley:

All I’ll say is this…until I see something about Lightning and Sally breaking up,or anything like that,then it’s not true…I mean it’s ok if you have opinions and are second-guessing,things but I mean why try to make something out of nothing…that’s why I’m glad Holley came on the scene…And something else to think about. Why would Mater being the “best friend”(annoying one I might add) that he is date his best friend’s ex-girfriend? I don’t think it makes sense to imply Mater still might have feeliIngs for Sally,when it’s obvious that he has no intrest in Sally…(Cars 2 I mean). And as far as the first Cars,that was just a inocent crush… And judgeing by Sally’s prefrence in Cars 2 I don’t think she’d be the type to actually date Mater…I know romantic tension when I see it and with Mater and Sally,I felt nothing of the sort…and another thing why does everybody see Lightning as the cheater? I don’t understand…I guess I’m the only one that sees past characters past falts… :confused: but like I was saying though I understand if some of you think Lightning still has that Man-you-know-what quality about him and thinks he would make a bad boyfriend…it’s so easy to say something about someone else’s relationship…even though you may not know everything about what happend in the relationship in the first place…so with that being said I’ll just agree to disagree…

WHAT? I didn’t know this!!! :open_mouth: Oh my gosh, if you could post it sometime, I would love you forever. 8D

Yeah, there are some ideas that are WAY out there but like you, I will try and read them just to see. It’s surprising the difference that can be made when effort is actually put into something like that. It’s just about keeping an open mind, right? To each his own. :slight_smile:

There was no one on this thread that said that Lightning and Sally broke up or that our ideas were true.

Does everyone have to have a type? I don’t have a type. If I like someone and they have a great personality (Okay, I’ll admit. If they’re nice-looking, too. :wink:), then the bottom line is I like them. I don’t think Sally is the type to have a type. She just looks for the best in people and likes you for who you are, not what category you fit into.

He’s not a cheater until he cheats. All we’re saying is that given his personality, who he is, and what we know of him, it is (as TDIT has mentioned) plausible and in-character for Mr.McQueen. Temptation is a strong thing…and from what I’ve seen in Cars 2, Lightning can still get arrogant, he doesn’t think before he speaks sometimes, we all know that he’s not the best in intense situations. 8D Personally, I think Lightning would be the best boyfriend and I think he’s really sweet and loving to Sally; the way he should be. But different situations cause different people to do different things for different reasons. (My dad used to always tell me that. :unamused:)

EDIT- And yes, TDIT. It’s on the official site. :mrgreen:

Well of course,but having a relationship(more seriously),is diffrent from Lightning loosing his temper…in some ways he still has relapses…but I can’t see him relapseing with something serious as a relationship…maybe you guys can but,me and the majority of others don’t see it…sometimes I wish John Lassiter would just tell us weither or not Mater and Sally had any romantic things going on… :neutral_face: I’m really “trying” but I don’t see it…and I’m sure most would agree with me…

Why are we talking about Lightning and Sally? Isn’t there already a thread for that pairing? 8D 8D

What is this?! 8D We always go back to Lightning and Sally, they always weasel their way into our conversation. I’m moving our conversation to the ‘Lightning and Sally’ thread, CarsLuver (where it belongs) 8D

Sorry, I didn’t mean to be mean or nosey. I just thought it was a bit odd. 8D

Don’t apologize! It’s not mean or nosey at all, it’s true. 8D

Oh okay. :slight_smile:

I was wondering that too. This keeps happening!!! XD

Um… Um…

Man, there aren’t enough screencaps around yet to steer this topic back! D:

That just shows how awsome a couple they are…Lightning/Sally of course!

Peace out!!

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I’m beginning to think it’s me and Netbug against the world. 8D

All my new OTPs have been to unpopular lately. XD

It is what it is… 8D :stuck_out_tongue:

Psst… self-promotional plug here, but if there are any Mater and Holley shippers around - are there any? (Just kidding, I know there are) - Okay, yeah, if there are any fans of the tow-truck and sports car, you guys are gonna totally dig my third and final installment in my oneshot trilogy. It’ll premiere tonight - don’t miss it! :wink:

And if you haven’t read the first two oneshots… yeah, just, like read 'em, okay? And lemme know your thoughts in the thread or on deviantART. You can find my fanfics in the, well… Fanfic section.

Thanks, peace out. :sunglasses:

Sheesh, I still haven’t read the first one. It’s like, still sitting here in a tab to be read. That was fast. :open_mouth:

Well, since we’re being all shameless fanfic plugging here… cough[url]The First Date (Complete!) - Fan Fiction - Pixar Planet Forums*

I promise I will finish reading them, TDIT! The first one was fantastic.