Central Brave Discussion

Maybe.

I also doubt it can make more than Toy Story 3.

That would make sense.

And I realize it is improbable for really any cartoon to beat TS3 out. But, I hope it will.

Toy Story 3 had the benefit of having tons of hype years before its release, nostalgia, and well, the fact that it’s the threequel to an established, well-loved film series. I sincerely doubt anything can surpass it. I have high hopes for Brave’s box office though, I think it can at least come close.

Exactly. I said before I see Brave making $600 or $700 million. I see it making sround $300 million here.

I do know that the UK, especially Scotland, are hyping this film a fair bit. It’s not out until August and yet my cinema has several posters and banners up and the trailer is being circled on loop :mrgreen: . I do hope that this tops the UK box office, and the US box office obviously.

I’m saying about 300M domestically. Really isn’t that much competition to it.

I do know that the Bourne Legacy comes out on the same day in the UK though. Unless there are some major releases before (I think Avengers is June over here so count that out), that is it’s only major competition.
Pixar never exactly perform badly do they? :slight_smile:

They always do very good domestically, with the exception of Cars 2. But that grossed less then 200M for a couple reasons.

Yeah, Cars 2 has some obvious set backs. 8D I’m certain Brave can beat that though.

The money making also depend’s if this film is releashed in 3D. I’m sure it will but if it wasen’t, then it may not make as much as I predicted.

^It is being released in 3D, but i think the novelty of 3D is begining to wear off.

I think the UK release is being delayed because of the olympics :cry:

I guess I’m going to be the Negative Nancy and disagree that it will do as well as other PP members are saying about box office predictions. I’m sure Brave will do well, but not $300 million domestically well. I also doubt that the Scottish culture will necessarily appeal to all worldwide audiences, though obviously it’ll be a hit in certain places of Western Europe.

One thing about the film—and I realize there are many male PP members who are anticipating this film and I don’t personally believe in limiting gender stereotypes—is that the film is, yes, centered around a girl and is a fairy tale. Other Pixar films, while certainly centered mainly around male characters, I feel have been appealing equally to both genders. I’m not AT ALL saying that a boy cannot or will not enjoy Brave, or even that this is the way Hollywood should work, but that certainly can affect how interested people are in the film initially when it’s in theaters. That said, Brave is not among the “girliest” of female-fronted fairy tale films.

Some more test screening reviews:
imdb.com/title/tt1217209/boa … /195962761

Overall I’m getting the impression that the movie is pretty light on plot, but has some good character moments. I’m mostly curious as to what the consensus will be among critics (I’m thinking it could be pretty split).

Ok, that one confirmed my worst fears.

The mother[spoil]is the bear.[/spoil]

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Meh. I’m not too worried about this one. I’m not judging this film until I actually see it.

I don’t see why he’s saying it’s mainly a movie for mother’s/daughter’s. Finding Nemo was about the bond between the father and son, but woman liked it.

Yes, I agree with you that saying that doesn’t make much sense.

I saw that imdb post yesterday – it was brought up on the Brave Daily tumblr (a really great resource for news, graphics, fanart, etc relating to this movie). I really don’t think we should read too much into that early review for several reasons. Warning, this may be a little long:

  • the animation wasn’t done, and it’s entirely possible that the storyboard sequences (especially in the climax) lacked the visceral appeal of finished scenes. The Japanese trailer alone is quite visceral.
  • I’m taking this from things Brenda Chapman has said on Twitter and in an interview I saw, but she’s said that Merida doesn’t want to “not be a girl”, as the imdb user said. She’s fine being a girl and is happy with her life; she just doesn’t want the life she’s happy with to change at her mom’s urging.
  • the imdb user’s jaded and blase tone doesn’t really do much to convince me. As many people have said, I don’t see why anyone should condemn this movie for bringing little new to the table, having plot points in common with previous fairy tale films, etc because even old/classic tropes can still be done well – and a lot of times they’re classic for a reason. Furthermore, the no romance angle, both of Merida’s parents being alive, etc DO bring something new to the usual princess narrative. To an extent, they turn the usual princess narrative on its head.
  • I don’t get the disappointment in [spoil]“the lack of a subplot” and “the witch showing up only once”[/spoil] (paraphrasing, but still). Why should [spoil]the witch show up more than once if she is more of a morally ambiguous catalyst figure and less of a tired, stereotypical villain[/spoil]? He goes from arguing “we’ve seen this all before” to “why weren’t these other cliches included in the movie”. What would the subplot be? [spoil]The adventures of the three little bear cubs while Merida’s away[/spoil]? I mean, really. Given the nature of the quest, and given that [spoil]the absence of the witch[/spoil] means Merida’s going to have to figure this all out on her own, no wonder it takes a long time. I’d rather see her [spoil]spend the whole movie trying to change back her mom[/spoil] – because that’s a pretty big deal! – than have the storyline spliced by something taking us away from that.
  • I think a lot of people kind of demand to see something completely different now because of how cynical the viewing public in general has become. I just think that’s a pretty high demand to place on a movie that hasn’t even come out yet. Maybe this movie will be what all of those other movies with similar tropes should have been? From what we’ve seen, the characters seem to have more complex personalities than some classic Disney protagonists and supporting characters. I love those classic Disney films, but I really believe Pixar IS going to bring a level of realism to these characters that we haven’t seen before, because that’s what they’ve always done.

Not to mention, another guy in the same thread completely dug the film :wink:

As I feared, this is getting long, but one more thing:

I wish it wasn’t that way, but that seems to be just how it is, sometimes. Maybe that’s part of why it’s taken so long to get a female-fronted Pixar movie. Movies with male protagonists are often seen as gender-neutral. Girls can relate to boys having adventures, apparently, but boys can’t relate to a plot that prominently features a mom? :frowning:

But at least that imdb user admitted that’s why he may have had a hard time. As a girl (and a girl who had a tumultuous relationship with her mom when she was younger), I’m not afraid of having the same problem relating. I am afraid of whether that problem will kick in among reviewers and audiences, though.

I know! I’m quite dissapointed by that.

Wait, so there’s no romance angle in this movie? Wow, now I’m definitely more interested in seeing this film! Still it’s gonna be a bit strange to see Merida at Disney World all alone while all the other Disney Princesses are with their men. And yes, I read somewhere that Merida will indeed be an addition to the Disney Princess franchise.