Discarded Villains?

What other villains were considered for ‘The Incredibles’ besides Syndrome? Try to post pictures, if possible, and be as detailed as you can in terms of their motives, powers, distinguishing features, etc.

From what I know, the original version of the villain was a man named Xerek. I remember there’s a picture of a sculpture of him on the bonus features of the DVD…I think he kind of looked like a cross between Ego from Ratatouille and the Green Eyed Man from Bolt (haven’t seen the picture in a while). Syndrome was originally supposed to be a minor villain (or a henchman of Xerek, I don’t know) who died early in the film, but the creators liked Syndrome better and made him the villain.

As Bryko stated, a mn named Xerek was goin to be the original villain for the Incredibles. Additional villains mentioned in the movie include Bomb Voyage, Baron Von Ruthless, and the Underminer.

It would be interesting if the villains were also forced into retirement like the heroes, although obviously not in exactly the same way. That could make for a decent sequel plot.

Yeah, like everyone here said, there was a villain called Xerek. They have concept artwork and such in the “Art of The Incredibles” book. And Brad Bird mentioned him during his commentary in between the deleted scenes in the bonus features of the DVD.

I do have a question though. It’s an ‘opinion’ question I might say. How do you all think the plot would of been like if Brad’s original villains, such as Xerek, were in the movie? Just curious, I wanna know what you all think. :slight_smile:

Good question Jedigal. ANd to tell you the truth, I really do not know. Maybe a typical evil villain who wanted to destroy all of the Supers but it is hard to think of an idea for Xerek.

Why do you not think this would work for Xerek? Is anything else known about the character, in terms of what his powers and motives were? And incidentally, there’s sketches of unused villains on Lou Romano’s blog, so that proves that other villains were considered for the film besides Syndrome and Xerek.

Wheezysbestbud: Why don’t I think Xerek won’t work? I thikn he would work as the Incredibles’ antagonist just fine. But I think Syndrome was the better choice of a villain, possibly due to originality reasons.

I agree with TSS.

I don’t think the whole plotline would have flowed as well with Xerek.

It really interested me in the movie how Syndrome/Buddy used to be Mr. Incredibles number one fan. I thought that added a certain creative element than just any old villain.

Also it gave the villain a more complex character, and more motive (Wanting everyone to be able to be super so that no one would have to feel how he did as a child, and get the glory he desired.)

Syndrome is one of my favorite Pixar characters and my favorite from this movie.

I just think the movie would have a far less interesting and creative plot without him, or killing him off.

I don’t think any other villain culd have had the same charisma than Buddy. (His whole “I’m your biggest fan” thing was hilarious).

I took the liberty of e-mailing Lou Romano about his aforementioned blog posting about this very subject. I’ll post here again if/when I hear from him. :smiley:

Really huh WheezysBestBud? That’s neat! I can’t wait to hear the reply. I hope you recieve one.

Finally heard back from Lou Romano! Here’s what he had to say:

"Brian,

I’m sorry for this very late reply. Thanks for your email, I’m glad you liked the Incredibles
work so much.

In the early days of Incredibles development we were allowed to explore all kinds of ideas,
including possible villains. The ones you saw on my post had no names really, but Brad did
entertain the thought of having a group of female assassins. If you’ve ever seen Goldfinger,
you’ll see we were inspired by the character Pussy Galore (who starts off bad and is eventually
won over by James Bond). Eventually Brad opted for one female character (Mirage) rather than
a whole team of trained killers.

The one villain I did, with the large head and glasses was a sillier take on a villain, but more of a
spoof in the vein of Austin Powers. As things evolved Brad decided to have a villain that was a real
threat, technologically, since Syndrome has no real powers. The Asian guy I did was more a take on
Ming the Merciless (Flash Gordon) and Dr. No, another Bond villain. I tried other villains too, that were
even sillier and some that were half man/half machine or monster. In fact, Syndrome was one of the
hardest characters to design on The Incredibles. In the end Brad came up with the idea of a Batman
& Robin type dynamic, where the Boy Wonder turns evil."

I felt Syndrome was kinda shallow as a villain. So, your idol was mean to you and you decided to turn evil and kill people? Woo…

Compared to the dynamic duo, I think the Bats and Rob would have a deeper outcome if Boy Wonder does decide to turn evil.

~ Flare

I thought the Robin turning against Batman idea was pretty original, but I think it would’ve been better if we got a backstory to Buddy’s life. Just because he was turned down by his idol, there must have been some other factors that contributed to his thirst for revenge.

Dragon of Omnipotency- I completely disagree with you about Syndrome. :laughing: Although Mr. Incredible’s rejection of Buddy as a child would have been a catalyst for him turning to ‘the other side’ and going against all superheroes, a big part of me questions why he idolised him so much in the first place. It wouldn’t surprise me if his parents fobbed him off, spoiling him with money (as it’s obvious that he was rich even as a kid- he makes those rocket boots which, even though they were homemade, would’ve cost a lot of money) and ignoring him otherwise. So he starts to idolise Mr. Incredible above all the other superheroes and feels that his intelligence and ability to create his own superpowers will get him the same status and recognition (something that he craved from his parents but didn’t get).

Then, being rejected by your own personal hero, who he probably considered as the ‘ultimate father’, after the rejection from your parents, well, that all adds up to a lot of bitterness and resentment. What Buddy does later on in the movie, becoming the villain and turning into Syndrome, is just another cry for attention, and he certainly gets attention from Mr. Incredible, though not the right sort!

Anyway, my point is that although Syndrome might at first appear to be a bit of a flat villain in that his motivation for becoming a villain is very direct and almost too simple, I think there’s more to it than just being rejected by Bob.

WheezysBestBud- That’s really cool that you got a personalised response from Mr. Romano! I like how Mr. Incredible and Syndrome’s relationship is compared to that of Batman and Robin- I never thought about it like that. Thanks for sharing that with us! :smiley:

Whoa, whoa, whoa, you’re reading too deep, lizardgirl. You’re basing theories on nothing; no evidence shown in the movie. If there was some hint in the film that points to your theory, then maybe I would believe. No offense.

~ Flare

That’s a fair point, Dragon of Omnipotency. I guess my basis for all of that is the fact that Buddy turns into Syndrome- simple as that. I mean, being rejected by your hero is definitely going to hurt, but is it really enough to make a kid want to turn into a supervillain? My suggestions are just one idea, but whatever it is, there has to have been something else to cause Buddy to change, unless we want to blame an innate evilness which he obviously doesn’t have because at the beginning of the movie he wants to help Mr. Incredible, not kill him.

But yes, this is all speculation. TSS said it well- “just because he was turned down by his idol, there must have been some other factors that contributed to his thirst for revenge”.

And it’s fun to speculate! :laughing:

Yeah, but the thing is, if Brad had intended for some hidden factors to be there as sort of an artform, he would have included it already, no matter how abstract or minute that hidden detail is. That’s why film analyzation is so significant to find out these hidden plotlines and that kind of stuff. That’s why I said, if you find anything that can prove your point, feel free to post. :wink:

~ Flare

Well, common sense sort of says to me that there must’ve been some other reason for Buddy changing so dramatically. No well-balanced child would vow revenge and would aim to kill their idol just because their idol rejected them. But yup, unfortunately, I can’t prove exactly what else it was that turned Buddy. Maybe there are little details that I’ve missed- it’s been a long time since I watched The Incredibles. But I would think it a shame if Brad’s aim was for Syndrome to be a very one-dimensional character with a singular and rather pathetic motivation.

I’ll definitely keep an eye and an ear out the next time I watch the film though, which should be pretty soon. I’ve had some of these ideas in my mind for a while now, so I’d love to be able to back them up with some evidence.

Though I guess we’re sort of going off-topic here…:laughing: