Election 2008: Endgame and Postgame Area

Thought it was about time now to make a thread where we can talk about the election as it happens, and thoughts after the fact.

Since the campaign isn’t over yet (when it is, we can discuss what went right and wrong here), but since it’s not over yet, just a few random thoughts on polls, money – and a question to those in the UK and other countries about elections.

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At this point, it’s all about the ground game. Which side can get their people out to vote.

Polls
The polls currently have Obama ahead, but I don’t believe Obama is a shoe-in for a second. Early voting data has favored him this time (in states that allow early voting), but there’s a bad sign for Obama in the early voting data as well:

Youth Vote Missing
The early voting data shows that the youth vote (those under 35) that was supposed to come out in droves (especially for Obama) – hasn’t come out at all. Both campaigns (but especially Obama’s) signed up millions of new, young voters this year. But the data shows that so far, those under 35 have voted LESS by this point this year than at the same time in the 2004 election! So is this the youth vote staying home this time? I can’t believe it, in such an election! But the data seems to point to it. Or are they just waiting for election day? This is bad for Obama. The highest rate for voters is senior citizens, which tend to favor McCain.

Hours:
I think it’s terrible that in some states (Virginia, Indiana) the polls close at 7:00pm on election day. Most people are just lucky to get home from work by 7:00pm. And many of these states, like Pennsylvania (7:30pm close) have no early voting, except absentee mailed vote. Many states stay open until 8:00pm, which I think should be the minimum.

Why can’t we make our elections standardized?
Many people from outside the US must wonder why a country that put people on the moon 40 years ago still can’t have a standardized election. The reason is becasue of the Federal system we have. An election (even a national election) is NOT administered by the US Government, but by the states themselves. There are Federal guidelines and protections and such, but in general, it’s the States that each decide on things like what type of voting machine to use, how late to stay open, if things can be challeneged, etc. So you have a collection of 50 completely different ways of voting (51 with D.C.) And even within a state, decisions are often left to the counties. So even within the same state, the voting machine type (touch-screen, non-touch-screen, paper, punch, fill-in-the-oval, etc) and other issues will vary depending upon what county you are in. On the news was that in one county in California you could do “drive-thru” early voting in your car!

Show me the money
One thing I found interesting: it cost $2 billion dollars to elect a President this time (double from $1 billion last time). Think of what that money could have bought in terms of healthcare for our citizens or school funding. Of course our Constitution has protected “free speech” – and the courts have ruled that money for politics is free speech. What was strange this time was that the Democrat had the money advantage. Usually Republicans are able to outspend Democrats at least 3:1. This time Obama was able to outspend McCain quite a bit (though when you count McCain’s RNC money, it becomes a lot closer). Still, a change from the past, when Democrats were always outspent by Republicans (I find it amusing now that Republicans are complaining that Obama has tried to “buy” the election, considering every single election before this one for the past 50 years, the shoe was on the other foot).

Also, this time Obama declared he would not take PAC money (for those outside the US, PACs are Political Action Committees – groups that give money to candidates). And unlike with candidates in the past, the money didn’t come mostly from large-sum contributions from the likes of corporations (Republicans) or unions (Democrats). Instead, for all the money Obama managed to raise, the average contribution to the Obama campaign was $68. Still, the amount of money spent by both sides is pretty sick if you think about it.

What about in the UK?
I heard that in the UK (could someone verify this?) there’s a limit of 100,000 pounds (or something like this) that you’re allowed to spend on elections. And I heard something like you cannot show political TV commercials in the UK? (or if so, only right before the election?) Would be curious how it works in other countries.

What will we be doing on Wednesday?
Will we know the results by Tuesday evening? Or will the lawyers come in (from either side) and keep this going by trying to challenge the results for days or weeks?

When it comes to elections, at least we’re not Zimbabwe.
There is that.

i might be here on tuesday but i’m going to be over at Glenn Beck for his election coverage online. I’ll try to make it (much to the shagrin of TS2, Joehisa) :laughing: so thanks Joehisa for making this thread.

Yes the polls do show McCain at a disadvantage but the margin of error makes them quite unpredictable in my opinion. We will all have to wait and see what happens on Tuesday night!!

(If you would like i could report for McCain…as the election goes on)

Not sure where I’ll be Tues night myself, but yes, everyone feel free to post here before, during, and after the results.

I’d also be curious to hear from those who will vote on Tuesday what the line and wait is like when you voted.

joehisa- I believe you’re correct, in that in the UK, political adverts aren’t allowed to be shown on TV unless right before the voting begins. I think this is because an advertisement shown on TV is such a big influence on people that in a way, it’s sort of unfair for candidates to be represented in these little nuggets of screen time, so to speak. The US election is a very good example of candidates pretty much just slagging each other off, which is pretty good fun, but it does influence people that might not know much about the actual politics themselves. Then they end up not voting for Obama, for example, because he hangs around with terrorists, or not voting for McCain for some other silly reason.

Politics here is less fancy and more boring, to be honest. I’ll admit that I probably know as much about British politics as I do American politics, mainly because British politics are so sleep-enducing that I end up not caring at all. :laughing:

I’m really curious as to who exactly is going to win this one. I know Obama has a small lead, but it could definitely go either way.

Here’s a stupid question- what happens to the losing candidate? Do they just go back to their former position?

Thats a good question.

I think the losing canidates move on with their lives and continue to do whatever they can to make their country better. Just because one fails to become president, that doesn’t mean it is the end of the world for them.

Yeah… it would make quite a difference here. The problem here is that the courts have declared money to be “free speech” when it comes to politics (if I have the means to pay for something, whether it be a TV commercial or a mailer in the mail, to voice my point of view, then it’s free speech). If you look at it scholarly, I can see their point, but I think it taints it so much. Also, there are some restrictions (each person can’t give a campaign more than a certain amount… I think it’s around $2400) but there are so many loopholes, it’s useless (if I’ve given my maximum amount to the campaign, then I just take my millions, and instead of giving it directly to campaigns, use it to pay for TV commercials financed by myself. This is what “527” groups do (outside money groups not officially connected with the campaign). And since they’re not “officially” with the campaign, they’re usually the most nasty slime, since a candidate doesn’t have to “approve the message.”

They go back to whatever job they were doing before. The election this year is very rare, in that both candidates running (Obama and McCain) are both US Senators. The US Congress is made of two houses: the “House” (of Reprentatives) and the “Senate.” House members serve for two years, and must then run for re-election every two years. However for the Senate (where Obama and McCain are), they serve for six years – and when they have to run for re-election is staggered (so 1/3rd of the Senators are running for re-election every two years – not all of them at once). Both Obama and McCain already ran for re-election recently, so they’re still serving out their 6 year term, and whoever loses will simply go back to their old job. The winner though, must have his seat filled, and that will be done by the Governor of the state. If Obama wins, the Governor of the state where he lives is also Democratic, so a Democrat will be appointed to “finish out” his term. If McCain wins, the Governor of Arizona is a Democrat (McCain is a Republican) – but Arizona state law says the Governor must appoint a person of the same party of the person leaving the seat… so she’d (the Governor of Arizona) would have to appoint a Republican like McCain. Interesting thing is though, that the Arizona Governor has stated she wants to run for Senate next time – so if McCain wins, she’s forced to appoint a Republican to the Senate to replace McCain – but she can pick which Republican to appoint (and would be able to pick the person she’ll be running against in a few years).

Then it gets more interesting. As I said, both Obama and McCain aren’t up for relection this cycle. But Biden (also in the Senate, and the person who would be Obama’s Vice President if Obama is elected) IS up for re-election this cycle. So Biden’s on the ballot twice: both as running with Obama, and also running again for the Senate in his home state of Delaware. If Obama/Biden lose, then if Biden gets re-elected to the Senate, he’ll serve another six years. If Obama/Biden win, then the Governor of Delaware (also a Democrat) would appoint someone in his place to serve. Biden’s son is an up-and-coming Democrat politician himself, and a while back it was thought if Obama wins, Biden’s son would take his dad’s spot in the Senate if dad were to become VP. But Biden’s son volunteered to go off to Iraq, so he’s there for a few years, so it would have to be someone else. If McCain wins, his VP pick Palin is a Governor (of a state), so in that case, the Lt. Governor would take over for her.

Okay here we go…i’m off to Glenn Beck for coverage…i’ll post here what happens and the events at the exact time they take place.

Republican Representative signing off…

2 States Up…

Kentucky-51% McCain
Indiana-50% Obama

I’m going to update this one post for these two early states so keep looking back for updates…

Kentucky-McCain 8 Electoral Votes Given
Vermont-Obama 3 Votes

chuckles How hilarious. Some people believe McCain is another Bush and others believe Obama is a sort of salvation, so if McCain wins on a technicallity such as youth vote, I can’t help but give a laugh :laughing:
And if that happens, everybody can point at everyone else and say “your vote mattered” :laughing:
brushes off shoulders Personally I don’t believe in either candidate, never did in politics. Closest I’ll get is Indecision 2008 heh.

Another State done…

South Carolina-8 Electoral Votes Given to McCain…

Lots of States announced…

Oklahoma-McCain for 7 Points
Tenneesee-McCain for 11 Points
Illionois (bug woop)-For Obama for 21 Points
Maryland-For Obama for 10
Delware-Obama for 3 Points
New Jersey-Obama for 15 Points
We also have Mass, Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire and Conn for Obama for a combined total of 30 Points…

A total now for
-McCain 34
-Obama 81

Of Cource we can’t confirm these and some may change but for now we have a good start for Obama.

Okay new states…

Alabama-McCain
Georgia-McCain
Penn-Obama

McCain-58
Obama-103

I won’t say I’m for either candidate, but I think Obama will win. Of course, if he does, his non-supporters will whine that there was voter fraud or something or other. :stuck_out_tongue: I just fear for the crazy racists that will come out of the woodwork on go on rampages.

Okay large round called here…

Kansas
Whyoming
North Dakota
For McCain

Michigan
New York
Wisconsin
Minnesota
For Obama

That’s 72 for Obama
and 12 for McCain

Arkansas for McCain

6 Votes for a total of 76

Al-Bob, you might want to not double-post those things … moderators get testy about that.

Not much to say about the election except it’s really exciting! I don’t think I’ve ever been this excited about an election since my last one which was earlier this year (or was it late last year…? Heh.) Actually, this may be even more exciting because I really want Barack to win.

I’m trying to follow the polls on TV, but it’s a tad confusing. And boy, are the networks taking advantage of their touch screens, or what? Three of the five free-to-air channels have either live feeds of US networks (CNN or NBC) with a few Australian commentators thrown in every 10 minutes or so to give it an Australian perspective.

Also, at first, I found the highlighting of the won states and counties to be a bit confusing because in the US the Democrats (left) is represented by blue, and the Republicans (right) is represented by red. But in Australia, it’s the other way around: the elite (the right) which is the Liberal Party is blue and Labor (left-ish) is red. The way you remember it is the blue represents the elite, and the red represents the blood of the workers, who usually vote Labor.

the next president of the united states of america is Barack Obama.

WOOO HOOOOO! =)

I don’t think I could be any happier about this even if I were an American!