How much would Mary be able to remember?

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#1

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would she still fear Randall despite having gotten over it as a toddler, supposedly? Even if she isn’t able to

remember much of anything of her trip to Monstropolis, would she still be able to get a sense or a feeling of

having been in that certain place or having met certain people if the right situation or object triggers some

faint or dream-like memories? If she were ever to stumble across Monstropolis again, I wouldn’t expect Boo to

become bombarded with incredibly vivid memories (no one can do that), but would she feel an odd sense of

familiarity with the place? I feel like this is something some of us experience now as adults, or we are able to

remember bits and fragments of people and places when we were very young, even if we can’t remember faces or

names. What do you guys think?

#2

It depends

on how regularly Sulley visits Boo, and whether he ever takes her back into the Monster World as she grows up.

Say he sees her twice a year- she’ll always remember him, and have a general idea of what went on with Randall.

She’ll probably end up forgetting exactly what Randall looks like, but may have retained those drawings that she

created in Mike and Sulley’s apartment, so she’d recognise him if she saw him. But since Sulley would probably

never mention Randall, so as to make sure Boo does not get distressed, most of her memories of him and of

Waternoose, Fungus and other Mons will probably fade away.

If Sulley doesn’t visit her at all, then

it’s likely that by the time she is a teenager, the whole adventure will be, in her eyes, just a silly little

game she played as a child to stop herself being scared of monsters. If she ever returned to the Monster World as

a teenager, although she won’t remember specific details like the Mons’ names and things like that, she will

feel that vague familiarity, and the feeling that she had been there before. Whether or not she’ll actually

remember exaxctly what happened before is a little questionable, but she’ll probably remember the general gist

of things.

#3

But do you think she’ll ever want to know what happened to him? Assuming Sully keeps visiting

Boo, he’ll avoid talking about or even mentioning the name ‘Randall’ if she really IS still afraid of him, and

maybe Sullivan wouldn’t want to her to remember those events because of what you said–he doesn’t want to cause

her any distress. Plus, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want to tell her that someone whom she feared so much is

actually wandering around in her world. The chances of them meeting are fairly slim,

but are probably enough to make her feel uneasy if she’s able to still remember him, even if it’s just a very

vague memory. Don’t frightening events or people early in a kid’s life affect them as adults? Not in a sense

where it majorly impacts or interferes with their lives–just in a sense where they feel a certain fear or unease

towards that specific person, object or place if they happen to have another encounter with whatever was their

source of distress. So, if Mary keeps seeing Sullivan AND she notices his reluctance in talking about Randall,

wouldn’t she at least be curious as to who he was and what he did?

#4

Well, that depends on

whether her memory of him fades completely. Like by the time Sulley would have visited her for the first time

after it had all happened, which was about a year after the events of the film, Boo won’t have forgotten Sulley

(hence why she called out ‘Kitty!’ upon seeing him) but as Randall was a bad thing that had been sorted out so

to speak, she might have forgotten about him. I guess children do tend to remember frightful things that have

happened to them, but if they honestly think it has been sorted out, as Boo must have done when she saw Randall

being thrown into the Bayou, then maybe her mind will focus on other things.

She may ask about Randall,

and I guess Sulley’s response would have to depend on Boo’s age at the time. It would probably be something

like, “oh, don’t worry, he’s gone now”, because, as you said, telling Boo that Randall is in her

world would cause her unecessary stress. I doubt Boo would worry about Randall- she’ll probably always view him

as a foe that she overcame, unless she and Randall actually discussed what happened (as no-one else is going to

be defending Randall, that’s for certain).

#5

DL

Simple first.
Yes she would remember.
And she did become…well…“immune” to Randall

as a kid in the door vault (proving that Scareing DOES help as it encourages those scared to forget their

fear).

Now to break it down.

Sullivan most likely WILL visit Boo nearly all the time. I mean COME

ON…the guy practically loves the girl like his own daughter.
This of course will lead to it having to be

secret since he was ORDERED NOT to contact her (Now WHY would that make a difference? Well we’ll see

heh).

She most likely will have at least partial memory of what went on a year ago. She won’t remember

exact details such as names maybe, but at least know that Sullivan was her friend.

Now the big part here

is about Randall…

Remember that Boo has pictures she herself drew. Sullivan took his, but I wouldn’t

be surprised if Boo made another one, as well as one of Wazowski. And we’ve already seen she had one of

Randall.
Now that one of Randall is, as I suppose, is STILL in Sullivan’s apartment…
Now whether Boo

wanted to draw him again or not I don’t know (one thing I do know is he didn’t relatively look hostile in the

drawing so who knows, she may)

Now would Sullivan tell her or not? Most likely he’d lie, both to not

upset her, if it was the case, and to not discuss such a “sore subject”.
As Boo would probably be

tomboyish a bit (a person who hanged out with Monsters, who wouldn’t be?) and would most likely urge Sullivan to

tell her who he was.

Wazowski would probably have…and this is an estiment, would have about -99 to 0%

guilt about what happened to Randall…
Sullivan on the other hand, though I doubt a bit, would have that

guilt. Now this would conflict his decision on what to tell Boo.

#6

Actually, those two

getting a chance to talk civilly about what happened would be very nice for both of

them, so I agree with what you said. If Mary is inquisitive enough and is able to get something out of Sully,

chances are, the version of the story she hears will be incredibly one-sided and biased. With Sully also being

someone Mary loves very much, she might start to feel some resentment or hold a grudge against Randall based on

what she heard, even if she never actually talked to him or got to know him better

(which I’m sure neither did Sully). If by chance Mary ever learns the truth about Randall, how forgiving or

understanding might she be?

#7

Firstly, you’re very right- the way she sees what happened will slowly become more and more

one-sided, especially since it happened at an age when most children are much too young to realise that there

aren’t ‘good guys’ and ‘bad guys’ like there are in films, and that some people who seem bad may be

good-hearted, and vice versa. Therefore, she’ll just think of Randall as another villain.

As for how

forgiving or understanding she might be, well…At first, she’ll probably be completely adament that Randall IS

evil, because of the age she was when it all happened. It will all have been ingrained into her mind that she,

Sulley and Mike were the good guys, and Randall and Waternoose were the evil ones, and even if she doesn’t

remember many details of what had happened, the fact that the whole thing was very two-sided will still be

something that she can remember.

The problem with Randall is that he generally doesn’t like admitting

when he’s wrong, so a discussion with Boo would probably consist of Boo saying, ‘you’re horrible’ and Randall

saying ‘what I did was right, I had no choice’, etc. If Boo gave Randall a chance to explain why he had no

choice, then she might possibly begin to see things from his POV, but with Randall being so proud, he won’t go

around admitting that he had been beaten by Waternoose, or that he was too naive to realise what Waternoose was

like.

It’s possible that after a certain length of time in the swamp, Randall would have mellowed out a

little and become a bit less proud, and that his hatred of Boo (as well as of Mike and Sulley) would have calmed

down a bit. But there’s still a possibility that after seeing them again, this hatred might flare up.

It

just depends on how much Randall has learnt from his experiences. He’ll always be arrogant, sarcastic, sometimes

even a little malicious, and I wouldn’t change him for anything- it’s just the way he is- but those

characteristics of his personality were always just a front, to conceal what he actually felt. If he lets Boo in,

so to speak, then her opinion of him could be changed completely. Ultimately, it’s up to Randall.

#8

I never saw any evidence that Randall harbored any "hatred of

Boo". He had no reason to do so. Even as naive as he was, he still had to be intellegent enough to realize

that she was just a child, and a child of a species regarded as hardly intellegent by monsters. It would be like

accusing someone of hating a cow because their hamburger wasn’t cooked right. Randall had been ordered to kill

Boo along with Sullivan and Wazowski, yet he didn’t. He did not even yell at her or hold her roughly. While I

doubt he felt any AFFECTION for her, or even much sympathy at that time, he clearly felt no ill-will toward her,

either. She was just something initially to be used, as we would use that afore-mentioed cow, and when the

purpose for which she was to be used no longer existed(i.e., the Scream Extractor), he apparently felt it prudent

to take Wazowski’s advice and put that thing back where it came from.

I also never saw any sarcasm from

Randall, save from that line to Fungus about helping him “while we’re still young, here”. MIKE was a

master of sarcasm, on the other hand, yet no one ever mentions that. It’s always RANDALL who gets saddled with

the “Sarcastic Chameleon” lable, for no good reason whatsoever. I also didn’t see any arrogance on

Randall’s part, except for that statement issued to Sulley after he and Mike(and Mike, especially)had humiliated

and challenged him in the locker room-“I PLAN to!”, being Randall’s response to Sulley’s suddenly

good-natured offer of “may the best monster win”. At no other time does Randall claim to be better

than anyone else, or act as though he’s better than anyone else. Mike does state, again in that locker room

scene, that he and Sulley are going to make it more humiliating for Randall when THEY break the All-Time Scare

Record first, and sounds very sure of himself that he and Sulley are much better than Randall and Fungus, but you

never hear anyone accuse Mike of being arrogant or thinking he’s better than someone

else.

pitbulllady

pitbulllady

#9

Again, I agree wholeheartedly, and I also

failed to mention that in the end, it all DOES depend on Randall on how much he wants to change and how willing

he is to recognize when he might have been mistaken and beaten. With someone like Randall, it might take a little

bit of perseverance, understanding, and above all, patience to be able to get

through to him and he eventually allowing someone in. Randall might still be a little defensive, particularly if

Boo regurgitates the same version of the story from the “victims”, which would be Sully and Mike.

Making peace with Randall would then also be up to Boo. It would certainly work a bit better if Boo were to allow

herself to sympathize with Randall and give him a chance for him to say what he has

to. But, again, it all does depend on him and if he’s willing to let his guard down and put his pride aside for

confiding in someone he considers inferior to his species.

I see Randall pretty much in the same way you

do, down to a T, and that IS precisely why I love him. He’s not malicious, but I do see him putting up a

‘tough-guy’ front to keep anyone out because that’s just the way he learned to deal due to very bad

experiences in his life. Chances are, no one has ever treated him with any kindness, so why should he? I

couldn’t explain his character or reasons for acting the way he does any other way. It’d definitely take a

little probing, but like you said, the beating and a very real possibility of dying in the human world might

mellow him out a bit and force him to change and see things differently; one of them being accepting and learning

from his mistakes. By the time he sees Boo again, he might not even harbor any grudge or anger towards her (she

IS part of the reason he was chucked out through the door, and she WAS the one who grabbed his fronds and smacked

his head with a bat, allowing for Sullivan to recover and grab his neck) BUT, some sour memories might resurface

because of how closely he will relate her to his foes.

#10

Pitbulllady- After a long time to think things over in

the swamp, Randall may have come to certain conclusions that previously he had not thought of. He would have been

through what had happened over and over in his head, and would have wanted to blame what had happened on anyone

but himself. We don’t know what actually happened to Randall after he was banished, but assuming he stays in the

swamp for a couple of years, we can also assume that he either mellows or his hatred grows. In a good state of

mind, of course, Randall would realise that what Boo had done didn’t mean that she should be hated because, as

you said, Boo was just something that had to be put back where it came from. She didn’t purposefully mess up

Randall’s plans.

But, in the swamp, who knows what Randall’s mind could have turned towards? The more he

may think about it, the more it may seem that what Boo had done was malicious and personal. Randall may have been

jealous that Sulley and Boo had been able to build up this connection- something that he himself had rarely been

able to do, if at all, with another person. Sometimes people hate others even if the others aren’t the cause of

the problem, as it’s someone to blame.

Secondly, I believe that yes, Mike is INCREDIBLY sarcastic

throughout the film, but to be fair, out of the hour and thirty minutes that the film consists of, Mike is

probably in at least an hour and ten of them. Randall, on the other hand, (and I know this for a fact) has just

less than fifteen minutes of screen time. I think Randall is sarcastic- not very sarcastic, but he probably can

be sarcastic at times- and yes, I believe that there is slight arrogance in there too. I’m not saying that Mike

and Sulley aren’t arrogant- far from it; they’re much more arrogant than Randall ("That Scare Record’s in

the bag!")- but that doesn’t stop Randall from having a slight streak of arrogance himself. It’s not true

arrogance- he’s not going around saying how much better he is than Mike and Sulley because the SCAREBOARD proves

otherwise! So therefore, he can’t say that he’s better. But what he can, and does do, is say how good he is

generally, rather then comparing himself to someone else. He tries to instil confidence in himself and making

others fear him by saying how great he’s going to be, and this is just masking the fact that he has no

self-belief. There’s still an element of arrogance in his persona- it’s natural, since all his life, people

have probably been saying that they are better than him due to the fact that he has scales, so he’s trying to

put himself on a pedestal to stop others from demeaning him.

So, I maintain that I love his sarcasm, and I

love his arrogance. I believe that it is all part of the Monster that is

Randall.

DoubleLatte- Well, as they say, for someone not to be full of hate,

they need to love and be loved, and as far as we’re aware, that’s something that Randall hasn’t experienced

much of. Therefore, it will take him a lot longer to forgive Mike, Sulley and Boo (if he ever does).

#11

[quote=“lizardgirl”]
although she won’t remember specific details

like the Mons’ names and things like that,

[quote]

although she might be able to remember Sulley as

“Kitty” . :wink:

I would think she would think of it all as a dream . That is if Sulley only

visited her that one time . If he visted her often and then suddenly didn’t , she would probably think of him as

an imaginary friend when she would be a teenager . But if he visted her often all of the time , her memories

would keep being refreshed , and she would probably be able to remember some of it . Some things to her , like

the big machine , would be hazy to her . But big things , like when Sulley scared her , would be remembered ,

along with the apology .

#12

DoubleLatte
As much as I loathe Sullivan, the guy is not fully one-sided.

Pitbulllady thinks that he does feel a sting of guilt about what he did, but I still have my doubts.
Wazowski

WOULD make it all one sided however.

Lizardgirl
One-sided yet again may

not be the case.

Recall that Boo overcame her fear at the end…becoming desensitized (in a way thanks to

him). How this would affect her opinions should also be taken into account.

Well in that little bit there

ticks me a bit. Randall THOUGHT what he was doing WAS right. Although a bit of him had the thought it WAS wrong.

And he DID have NO choice.
Randall is proud and stubborn but he won’t admit he’s always right. He does try

to justify what he does, trying to find SOME way that his actions were having a good intention.

HOW the

heck was he beaten by Waternoose dare I ask?

He did NOT hate Boo, as I’m sure Pitbulllady explains a

little later on. He would still have hate for Mike and Sullivan though. Who wouldn’t hate someone who DID intend

to kill them?

Randall is blind sided by three positions. His inner personality that hides his darkened

past. His outer personality that expresses his front. And his darker half brought out from his lack of sleep and

various stress. Ultimately Randall’s complex, and figuring out what he relatively wants is as hard for him to do

as anyone.

Pitbulllady

Taking her back to her door. Ordered to kill

her and instead putting her back. Sounds like a no-hate to me.

Well most people are ingnorant and label

people soully based on status.

In terms of the planning…Randall DID know he was better than Sullivan so

it was more of a fist of truth rather than a brand of sarcasm.

Because Wazowski’s a “hero”

people tend to take him as an angel pffft…

DoubleLatte
Beaten? Excuse me

that just…seems like a misplaced word here.
Randall was not relatively “Beaten”.

It’s hard

to change when your put in a place you were not suppose to be and risking your life to grab a bite to eat and

stay alive.

I doubt Randall will initially open up.

Nobody should be FORCED to change by

unwillingly being put in a life-threatening situation.

Lizardgirl
Not that

it all WASN’T his fault…

And no not “Banishment”, but “Exhile”. Banishment is a

punishment admistered as a setence in a trial, which of course Randall never got.

He does not consider Boo

relatively a “threat” in terms of actions. She was a kid and he KNEW that. And Sullivan, Wazowski, and

Waternoose ARE to blame for his predicament AS WELL.

Randall relatively IS better. He was Top Scarer

before Waternooes tipped in the numbers in Sullivan’s favor. So relatively it’s truth rather than

arrogance.

There’s more to him than that I hope you know.

Forgiveness is a fickle

thing. I apologize to any religious people here, and I am only using this as a comparison. But in one I recall

that forgiveness should always overcome revenge…as far as I’m concerned I do not agree.
Randall probably

will not forgive Wazowski and Sullivan (Boo needs no forgiveness because Randall does not blame her relatively),

but his revenge plan may change.
When people think of his revenge, the first thought may be killing Wazowski

and Sullivan. But what if that’s not the “type” of revenge he’s intending?

I plan to use this,

but think of this as his term of revenge. He may come back and put Sullivan in the same situation as the end of

the first event, with Sullivan hanging off a ledge with a 50 foot drop below him. I always think of Randall

saying "you wanna know what I would have done if things were not going so wrong…if I could think

straight…if I wasn’t barred into the actions I commited…THIS…is what I would’ve done…". Then he

would offer a hand, or two, to pull Sullivan up.
Randall would not kill the two, but explain, in a rather

serious way of his own, that he did not want things to end up the way they did.

#13

Nexas- We don’t know for a fact that he was Top Scarer before Sullivan was. It’s

definitely a possibility, but there’s no proof as such. I always figured that if he had been Top Scarer before,

then instead of saying things like, “I’m gonna rack up some big numbers today” to try and make his

competitors worried, wouldn’t he refer to it more often? Wouldn’t he say things like, "I was Top Scarer

before, and I will be again!" as that would be more effective in making Mike and Sulley worried? Instead, he

just says about what will happen- things that he can’t be sure of- which is a less solid base for him to go

on.

#14

That does make sense, doesn’t

it? There was absolutely nothing in the movie, or in the outtakes, or in any of the books I’ve got, to indicate

that Randall was ever the Top Scarer, except for a brief time. There might have been other brief periods in

which he was on top, but seriously, in a factory with that many Scarers, it’s really implausible that any one

Scarer is going to remain on top for long, at least, without some sort of behind-the-scenes strings-pulling. The

numbers alone stack up against that happening, since the odds are very much against any one person being THAT

much better than everyone else, and remaining so, for a long period of time.

pitbulllady

#15

I have been diligently researching and collecting

eversince the film started. I am more taken to Looking rather than Speculating, and stating Facts rather than

Theories. I have taken information from several media and ran probabilities and numbers to produce a firm fact.

Yes, I am still researching to figure out a few things, but I am firm in the fact that Randall was Top Scarer

before Sullivan.
If you intend to sink into conversation the whole “I plan to” bit is a good enough

counter to the lockerroom discussion.
I admit I do lie sometimes but in terms of Randall and M.I. I am serious

in my research. Randall was Top Scarer. Whether you choose to believe it or not is part of freewill.

#16

Quoted in being the first one to staple a Scarer Move to the

Monsters Inc. Handbook, Randall is supposedly the first Scarer with the ability to blend. This in such gives him

a clear advantage in terms of his sneaking ability. As well as his overall scareing ability, he was at the

top.
A good example would be that some scarers, as told by the director, hardly get any points up on the

board.

#17

This is a great in-depth

discussion you guys have going, but we don’t need in-depth quotes. :wink: Can you all please try to minimize them

from now on?

~~=oP

#18

I’m afraid I shan’t be posting a nice, long thought, at least at the moment, but I’d like to say that

I’ve never thought of Sulley’s being Top Scarer for so long as being all that unreasonable. To make some

analogies about something I know a little about, he’s just kind of like the Wayne Gretzky or Roger Federer or

what-have-you of Scaring. :stuck_out_tongue: And I don’t think you’d say there’s any controversy around their greatness.

#19

Then I suppose you wouldn’t mind

showing us what you’ve found? See, I’m a little skeptical, and while I’ve never read or heard anywhere that

Randall used to be at the top either, I’d like it if I could see that myself.

Unless there’s something out there specifically stating that Randall used to have that #1 position (EXCLUDING

the scrapped storyboard version of the film), then there’s not a whole lot to work with given the lack of

information about the characters and the positions they held before the movie took place. All we knew was that

Sullivan had kept the spot for a year running and Randall had second place. You keep saying that Randall WAS at

the top before Sullivan, but I always thought it was just speculation on your part. If you have real findings to

prove otherwise, I wouldn’t mind taking a peek.

#20

DoubleLatte- You’re right, and there’s even proof to prove otherwise. If Randall

had been at the top, he’d be mentioning it every five minutes.