How To Train Your Dragon vs Toy Story 3

Yeah, I was irritated by how Jessie consoled Woody when he was trying to convince them to stay with Andy (perhaps it was a resurgence of her PTSD of being abandoned). At least Buzz tried to comfort Woody in a nicer manner, but the gang’s dismissiveness of Andy and refusal to listen to Woody (again), hugely annoyed me.

This is, of course, to generate conflict, and is totally understandable on the scriptwriters’ part, but they ended up alienating me somewhat from the characters I’ve grown to love. At least, temporarily. Then as the movie went on, I kind of forgave them for that and concentrated on the rest of the plot.

Yes. In every movie, the gang disbelieves Woody, and in every movie, they get smacked in the end. :stuck_out_tongue: You’d think by the third movie, they’d learn.

this is ~exactly how i felt. just wanted to thank you for putting my feelings into words because i’ve had a lot of trouble explaining how odd i felt watching this movie.

as for the how to train your dragon vs toy story 3 survey/poll/whatever, i’m going to go with how to train your dragon. i felt it was better able to convey real emotion without feeling forced, and i loved toothless. & it’s also one of dreamworks’ best movies, by far (i still stand by my opinion that the road to el dorado is the best dreamworks film).

So true IV. :wink: I ask myself that same question with each Shrek movie plot. But the toys are adorable, and woody is wise.

Haha, I agree. Old habits die hard, IV! 8D

I agree that Dreamworks achieved a more natural sense of wonder and emotion than Pixar last year… if anything I’d place Dragon in that ‘sacred space in my heart’ for movies that I will treasure forever, right next to the ‘three Pixar indies’ (Ratatouille, Wall-E and Up) and many other emotional greats like Dragonheart, Terminator 2, Legend of the Guardians, etc.

As for Road to El Dorado, I’d kindly disagree (I loved Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron more from Dreamworks’ canon of traditional animation), but it still one of my favourite movies because of the Elton John theme and the beautiful ‘Chel Dorado’ (which I can credit for brining on my onset of puberty faster than expected).

Yeah TSS, it’s kinda the same rigmarole, huh? Some trilogies like Lord of the Rings, Pirates of the Carribean, The Matrix have the characters go through a huge progression arc throughout the films as opposed to Shrek and Toy Story which have miniature arcs in each film which repeat themselves. I do agree that the toys are charming and Woody is a great leader who looks out for them (though most of the time, it takes Buzz or any other toy who has to teach him the ‘lesson of the movie’).

so i just watched how to train your dragon again, and ten minutes later i’m still sitting on the couch, shaking and crying happy tears. i mean, i cried all the other times, too, but this time it just…hit me. i mean, wow. really. such a beautiful film.

(not sure if that really contributes anything to this thread but whatever. xD)

also, tdit, dreamworks made spirit? NO.WAY. this is…dang. i love that movie so much. the music is amazing. in fact, i think i might go watch it now. or tomorrow.

It is a gorgeous movie(HtTYD, not Spirit. Not saying it’s not, but I dislike it.)

Yeah, I do love the toys overall. I just think they(except Woody) are terribly naive a willing to make the same mistakes.

IV: They may be naive of not trusting Woody, but that is what makes them so adorable.

I love Buzz and Jessie. But it really does annoy me. Especially from Jessie, because Buzz is more fair and objective.

i know exactly how you feel, bb. it bugged me too. i kind of feel like they didn’t trust woody just so at the end they would be like OMG WOODY WAS RIGHT, meaning they could squeeze by with the least amount of character development possible.

i sound harsh, don’t it? D: i’m really not trying to be. it’s just, the more i think about the movie and the more (extremely true, btw) points people bring up, the more i start to dislike it.

Welp, you’re definitely not alone. Trust me.

I went through a point right after the movie came out where I wanted to watch it over and over again, but that lasted, what? A couple of weeks?

…That being said, I still haven’t gotten sick of HtTYD yet. :stuck_out_tongue: I guess I just related to that one a bit more. It seemed so much more… artistic, for lack of a better word. It really inspired me to continue pursuing my dream of becoming a movie score composer, because the music for HtTYD was more profound to me than TS3’s.

ah, well. i’m glad i’m not the only one then. o: i haven’t gotten sick of it, either. i watched it the other day and i’m planning to watch it tonight or tomorrow. my brother ~finally sat down to watch it with me last week and he loved it. trying to get my dad to watch it as well.

however, i can’t help but think i might be incredibly biased in my opinion of httyd>ts3. i think one reason i love the film is because i’m a ~huge animal lover, and i do think that a lot of the time the bond between animals and humans can be strongers than any other. and i think the movie really captured that. the whole father-son relationship didn’t hurt, either. ;x but then again, i also adore pixar ~and toy story (well…the first two, at least), so.

look at me getting all rambly. i’ll stop now, lol.

I love both movies, but I did get very annoyed by some characters and events in TS3. I think they’re both good overall. But I think TS3 had more “quirks”, whereas HtTYD was subtle, and easy to sit back and enjoy.

Another frustrating thing I had with Toy Story 3 was the character overload. I felt that most of the supporting characters were indistinct enough to warrant their existence. Most of Lotso’s gang, for example. You could replace their lines with any other toy and it would still make sense. Or Bonnie’s toys, though I find a few of them such as Buttercup, Trixie and Mr Pricklepants appealing.

Whereas with HTTYD, the side characters actually had importance. Here’s the bully ringleader, Snotloud who will pick on Hiccup. Astrid, the love interest (though Ruffnut fans might disagree). Fishlegs, as Hiccup’s best friend. Gobber the Belch, as the mentor.

Or LOTG. Gylfie as the best friend. Digger as the voice of reason (though in this movie, he’s nuts half the time). Twilight as the warmonger. Ezylryb as the mentor. Otulissa as the ‘nerd’ like Fishlegs.

All very Joseph-Campbell, but it works. And the cast of characters who speak weren’t more than ten at the most. With Toy Story 3 (and I fear Cars 2), there is character overload such that hardly anyone gets enough screentime for you to know and appreciate them better, and they sort of melt into an uncohesive pack.

Rango, for example, had a pretty big supporting cast. But the movie is proportionately long, and there are a lot of quiet and talky scenes where you get to appreciate the characters better. And from the dialogue, you get a sense of their backstory and histories before we enter the point in the movie. I’ve described that in the Rango thread, so I won’t bore you guys here. Cars did something like this with Sarge and Filmore’s bickering, or Lizzie pining about her late husband Stanley. I saw something like that with Buttercup and Pricklepants’ banter about method acting, or the ‘roulette game’ in the vending machine, but other than these scenes, I have very little idea about the group dynamics, the back histories, the ‘heirarchy’ of the pack, et cetera.

Only Lotso, Barbie and Ken, Chuckles and Baby had any worthwhile place in the cast in the sense that they contributed to the story. A screenwriting maxim is that if a character doesn’t add anything to the story, dump him/her. It’s harsh, but it helps weed out ‘useless’ characters who say a line and then exit stage left. With the Pixarian’s attention to detail, I though they would’ve been stricter and ‘trim the fat’.

I agree. Though I like most of the characters in TS3, most of them were just there for eye candy and distraction. They were just props with no significance to me.

I feel like that for a few of them too. Like the peas. They had no purpose except to make a couple of gags.

Although they were pretty cute, EJE! And Pricklepants. Some of the side characters like Chatter, Chuckles and Trixie really had personality, but others like Twitch, Stretch (who I only discovered today was voiced by Whoopi Goldberg! :open_mouth:) and Chunk were remarkably unremarkable.

HTTYD in comparison really had distinct and fleshed-out secondary characters. Yes, they were a little stereotypical, here’s the ‘jock’, here’s the ‘bully’, here’s the ‘airhead’ and here’s the ‘nerd’… but at least you could tell them apart, and each one of them had story arcs. Stoick the Vast’s is a mirror of Hiccup’s arc, only he learns not to despise dragons only towards the end. Snotloud’s is the most remarkable with the paradigm shift when he touches the Monstrous Nightmare’s snout. Astrid of course, has a romantic development (though Ruffnut shippers would like to disagree). Sometimes, less is more.

I have found more fanfictions and seen more fanart for HTTYD’s minor characters than I do for Toy Story 3. And I think there’s a reason for that. Folks have more to work with for HTTYD’s characters.

Secondary characters have a reason to exist in Toy Story 3.

What would a girl’s room be with just a couple of toys? they needed background toys, and if they all were “fleshed-out”, you would have a character overload.

Anyway, what I love about the secondary characters in TS3 are their genius designs and textures. I’ve said it before, but the thing that turns me off the most about HTTYD was the character design. And it had so much potential in that department…

I hope the same thing doesn’t happen with Brave, cause I’m not loving the conceptual art of the characters this far.

Exactly. The peas were a great example.

SoA: I mean yeah, there needed to be enough toys. But did they all need to have speaking rolls? And Stretch was always one that annoyed me.

SoA: Fairy 'nuff. I actually like the character designs for the dragons better than the humans. I even made fun of that in my ‘How to Drain Your Human’ trailer dub spoof around 0:30! :wink:

But yeah, I hope that Brave has better-looking characters than the concept art (come to think of it, the concept art only revealed one character and not even her face, so maybe there’s still hope?).

IV: I thought Stretch was pretty okay. Whoopi Goldberg! I thought that voice sounded familiar. But others like Twitch and Crunch were annoying because they were ‘silent characters’ but had very little personality to them.