Thanks. 
It took a lot of effort and self control not to say the pair I was thinking. I’m trying to be more objective. 
I haven’t really talked on these other pixar threads, so i’ll start now.
I think it’s just perfect. Nothing to change here, but to change people wanting to change it.
Although Lightning/Sally are no where near my favorite Pixar couple, I like them. I mean, it’s a much more realistic and modern relationship, as oppossed to true love at first sight, and I love seeing their journey from despise to liking. I wouldn’t quite say love, I didn’t see them being in love really in the movie. I felt at the end it was a beginning of a relationship about to take flight.
Both of you are lucky,I’m not on another forum and this is not my first time meeting you… 
Just because Lightning and Sally didn’t look at each other and go “OMG!” that dosen’t make them “not sweet”…Yeah,it is sweet otherwise they would’ve broken up by now…It bother’s me when people feel like they have to jump off of a bridge or something cause it’s like “Okay what do you want from them…” you know? And Plus it’s more realistic. My mom wasn’t too fond of my dad when they first met,now they’ve been married 20 something years. And let’s be honest how many relationships start at love at first sight these days? And why would someone be in a relationship with someone who they don’t love? Isn’t that the point of a relationship anyway? It dosen’t make any sense…and SOA it’s very unfair to say “definitely not as the others Pixar has done” um,Linguini and Colette,Flik and Atta? Oh,and I’m not mad at you guys or anything I’m just doing what I do best… 
No, I was talking about the examples Virginia did (Up and WALL·E). But, by the way, I also like Linguini and Colette and Flik and Atta’s stories better than Sally and McQ., just because they’re not a main focus of the movie.
Or you just don’t like anything Cars related compared to other pixar films,because Cars is the weakest according to a bunch or other humans…
That’s your opinion but you can’t deny that Lightning and Sally have a stronger relationship than Linguini and Colette,I don’t know about Flick and Atta…but really how long have they been together…?
That’s not true. I like some things in Cars more than in other Pixar films, just not a lot.
No, I think Cars is the weakest by myself. I agree with the bunch of humans. But not because they told me to think it. I though it was the weakest as early as I was watching the movie the first time.
Really? Wasn’t it the opinion of a bunch of humans and that’s why I think it?
I don’t care if they relationship is strong, or if they’ve been together for a long time. I find the focus on their relationship a little bit annoying and I would like it better if they had expanded other subplots.
As many people have said before, you can’t healthy take any opinions on Cars. So why do you bother in checking up a board called “If You Could Change One Thing…”?
Whoa,woah…calm down…I can’t defend something I love? 
And I don’t see anything wrong with them (not entirely)having the love story be a big part…isn’t there a lot of movies like that?
And when I said “opinions” I ment Lightning and Sally…
You can defend it, but I’m getting a little tired of you thinking that every time I say something about Cars, is because “the opinion of the majority has influenced me”, “I’m like a zombie who blindly follows what critics say” and all that stuff.
I’m a film student (almost graduate, in a couple of months), and that kind of statement is the most offensive thing one of our profession can get. We judge movies based in what we learnt, and yes, movie critics opinions are important, but they don’t influence my personal opinion on anything (I can give you any example, if you want).
There’s nothing wrong with a love story being the main focus of a movie, and the Sally&McQueen one is very important for his character development, which is the main plot of the film. I just didn’t enjoy it as much, mainly because of the kind of dialog they got and the pop vibe they gave me.
Well when you say things like "Critcs are experts" or "This _____ doesen’t feel like a Pixar film" I get that feeling…I dunno being honest I lothe anything that has to do with crtiqueing things…there are far more important things to worry or crtique about in this world,than entertainment…All crtics do is stick their nose up and look for something negative because they know us as humans love negativity,and then be sarcastic about it…
I found nothing annoying about their love story having a big part or their love story in general because I wasn’t looking for something negative… and I don’t understand that little thing about "pop vibe" and "dialog" what do you mean?
[quote="xCarsLuverx":xkbnuf2s]"Critcs are experts"[/quote:xkbnuf2s]
According to the dictionary, an expert is:
[i:xkbnuf2s]n. A person with a high degree of skill in or knowledge of a certain subject.[/i:xkbnuf2s]
Film critics study film, so yes, they’re experts.
[quote="xCarsLuverx":xkbnuf2s]there are far more important things to worry or crtique about in this world,than entertainment[/quote:xkbnuf2s]
And there are social critics, political critics, etc for all those things. But for some of us, entertainment is art, and it[i:xkbnuf2s] is important[/i:xkbnuf2s], so it also deserves to have reviews.
[quote="xCarsLuverx":xkbnuf2s]All crtics do is stick their nose up and look for something negative because they know us as humans love negativity,and then be sarcastic about it… [/quote:xkbnuf2s]
No. Some critics do that. The best critics don’t. So don’t trash a profession based in what some do, cause it’s a worthy job in most cases. And no, unlike what some people think, the critic term doesn’t mean just the negative aspects. They can also give praise.
Again using the dictionary for the word "critic":
- One who forms and expresses judgments of the [b:xkbnuf2s]merits[/b:xkbnuf2s], [b:xkbnuf2s]faults[/b:xkbnuf2s], [b:xkbnuf2s]value[/b:xkbnuf2s], or truth of a matter.
[quote="xCarsLuverx":xkbnuf2s]I don’t understand that little thing about "pop vibe" and "dialog" what do you mean?[/quote:xkbnuf2s]
The romantic dialog was sort ob obvious and cliché. Think of the part of the tattoo, or "How does a Porsche wind up in a place like this?"
I don’t blame them. Dialogs are [i:xkbnuf2s]hard [/i:xkbnuf2s](and Pixar has managed to have some good ones). And love dialogs are even harder. That’s why I think their best love stories don’t even need dialog (WALL·E, the Married Life montage).
And the pop vibe… Well, I can’t explain that very well in English. It’s just a term I use when I think something is trying to hard to be modern and cool, something like what Dreamworks usually does.
So if we didn’t have crtics the world would just suffer? People would survive…at least those of us you don’t feel the need to judge or put a label on every little thing…even though “crtic” dosen’t have to mean negative…that’s what it usally is…I bet that’s what they’re gonna tell you when you get in the professon,because like I said humans thrive on negitivity,I mean let’s be honest…
I don’t think you really understand that question Lightining asked her. He asked her that because,him comming from the city did not understand why someone like her,young,sucessful,and a new car was in a old,run-down,town like that…John Lassiter even said it himself…
And nobody is trying to “be cool” about anything,why would they? When you say that you come off as being a nitpick…people whine and moan about every little thing in Cars,after a while it gets tiring…
You obviously thrive on negativity, as you put a bad label on everything I say. You’re being simply unable to understand the greater picture, and you can only see movies as a form of entertainment and not as a subject of analysis. And no, I didn’t say the world would suffer without critics.
I didn’t have any problem understanding the meaning of what he said. I’m just talking about the dialog. The wording the filmmakers select to say the things.
Well, I don’t care if you understand what I’m saying anymore. Anyway, you can offend me as much as you want, the only one who’s getting tiring is you, taking everything as an attack.
No,I’m not like that… movies are entertainment are they not? When I go inside a theater I’m not saying “Humm,I’m going to asertain the value of the filmwork…” I go there to enjoy myself… I’m just trying to understand your logic for saying certian things…I never said you said that…
Thw wording selected? I really don’t get it…is it really that important?
You’re getting defensive,I’m not taking anything as a attack,you are…I just don’t understand where you’re comming from…
That’s just it, then. This is the cause of our misunderstanding.
I can totally understand that you go to watch a movie just for the entertainment. Probably 95% of the moviewatcher are like that. It’s totally understandable.
Now I ask you to understand that this is not the case for everyone. Some of us actually go in looking for the “value of the filmwork”, as you put it. For some of us that means a lot.
For people like us, Pixar is a beacon of hope. Their films have an incredible quality, even Cars. But that doesn’t mean there’s not room for improvement.
Yes, greatly important. Why do you think screenwriting is a whole profession? Why do you think they have awards just for that? The plot is important, but so are the dialogs. And there are better dialogs than others. Some just feel weak.
Maybe you’re right and I’m becoming his into the sequel of our last discussion. Maybe it’s just professional pride. For me, some of the things you said are great offenses, and I failed to see you didn’t say them on purpose. There’s also the language barrier between us that makes everything sound harsher than it really is.
In short, with your last post you cleared what the problem was. You can’t see a movie as anything else than a form of entertainment. And that’s fine. What I still would recommend you is to understand that filmmaking is an art, a profession, and even a way of life for other people. Keep that in mind 
Yeah,it’s just a case of looking at things diffrently…but I’m not into all that and it’s just annoying when people complain about every little single thing regarding Cars…
Let’s just stop. I really do not want this thread to get locked or something because people are fighting. I understand you are both trying to make your points and are being quite stubborn about it. There is nothing wrong with that but this is getting a little out of hand. All I’m gonna say is this: I’m sick of hearing about the critics. Some people love 'em, some people hate 'em. I’m not very fond of them but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t knowledgeable in their subject. As long as people don’t let critics make opinions for them then let them be. No one says they are right, no one says you have to believe everything they say. As for the Sally/Lightning pairing. Well, I could go on about that all day being a die-hard fan of the couple but I’m not going to. I think the reason people find their relationship not very strong may be the fact that it’s a kid’s movie. There are only so many romantic lines you can write into a PG rated film and only to a certain degree. I feel that their relationship is just as strong as any other Pixar couple and that the movie did not focus too much on their relationship.
We’re not fighting anymore. I think we both said all our points, and I realized what the source of the problem was. So I won’t insist with it.
There’s also no danger of getting out of topic, as this is a thread to discuss what we don’t like about Cars.
And well, the critics topic wasn’t the main theme this time. It was more of a side subject on our main “Is cinema just entertainment?” discussion.
And well, I’m sorry for getting picked again. As I’ve said, blame the professional pride.
I suppose, I guess I’m just saying it because this seems to continue happening on this thread. But it is a controversial topic so I shouldn’t complain. Don’t feel bad about being a critic, it must be difficult.
Oh, no, I’m not a critic. I won’t dare to do that because so many people hate them.
I’m a filmmaker.