Many Buzzes, and many Woodys?

We’ve seen that Buzz is a mass produced toy, and that upon initial opening his box, [spoil]or being reset, [/spoil]he reverts to his Space Ranger mode.

I’m still wondering what might happen if Woody met another Woody doll or something. What would that be like? Would another Woody doll think he truly was a Sheriff, or maybe something else? -Omar

I doubt that. Considering that Jessie and the prospector don’t seam to beleive or to have ever beleived that they were really their characters. Thats saying something considering the prospector never had a child whom he belonged to. He was in the box presumably until Al bought him.

But the Prospector had been out of his box, because he could open and close it at will by the time he was with Jessie and Bullseye, its just that they never knew it.

I didn’t say that another Woody doll would think he was truly the character Woody Pride; I just said that it was one option. I was also wondering what might happen if Andy’s Woody, Jessie etc, met another Woody doll, Jessie doll, etc.

Or for that matter, another Potato Head or Mrs. Or what if down the line, they met another nursery lamp with an intact Bo Peep figure. I mean, just wondering -Omar

The way I see it, they’re all so old that, even if they were still in the box, they’d know their way around as a toy by then. At that point, it wouldn’t really matter what their TV show persona is, because they’d be more like a human at that point; meaning their emotions and attitude would depend on how they were brought up and played with.

I think it would be too weird to see another Woody. I mean, he’s also so rare that it’s unlikely as well.

I guess all toys start out thinking that they’re actually whatever they represent, like the Buzzes did in Toy Story 2, but I agree with Dinoco on both points- older toys will have, by this time, realised that they’re just toys, and Woody is very rare so to meet another Woody would be unlikely.

But to broaden the approach, as for the other toys meeting ‘themselves’, well I guess there might be a bit of confusion. Almost like an alternate reality or something. The toys’ personalities seem to be made from two factors in the same way that the personalities of people are- their environment and what they’re ‘born’ with. For example, if Mr. Potato Head met another Mr. Potato Head, it wouldn’t surprise me if he discovered that actually they share quite a few opinions and are both a bit snarky at times. But they might also be slightly different due to one of them having been played with by Andy, and the other having been played with by another child or children.

Exactly lizardgirl. I was trying to open the topic up to other characters, like two Rexes or two Potato Heads, etc.

I find the idea of two Potato Heads making run of a single Hamm awesome.

Or two Hamms seeing how much change do they have between the two of them.

Or two Slinkys seeing who could stretch the farthest or compact the closest.

Ok, so its funny in my head :smiley: -Omar

I always assumed that that whole “thinking they’re the real deal” thing was just a feature of the sci-fi toys (whom Stinky Pete refers to as “upstart”). The Buzzes and Zurg are the only toys I remember who were particularly deluded as to what they were (keeping mind that I’ve still yet to see Toy Story 3). The Pizza Planet aliens also weren’t particularly self-aware, but then again they probably wouldn’t be, having spent all their time in that rocket-shaped container, from which they were simply picked out at random.

Even though most of the toys would have been mass produced, I think it would still be possible for individuals within the same toy line to have completely different personalities. Keep in mind that Stinky Pete the toy was essentially nothing like his TV counterpart. Even ignoring his circumstances-induced bitterness, the actual character was clearly intended to be the dim-witted comic relief, whereas the toy Al had in his possession was very intelligent, and unlike Woody and Jessie, who both sounded the same as the characters they were based upon, he had a completely different voice and accent. Makes me wonder what other Stinky Pete toys would be like, if we met them - was the Pete we knew a variation (if so, then how much capacity for variation is there amongst mass produced toys?), or are all Prospector toys like him by default, in contrast to the original character?

I think the whole believing they are what they represent thing is just a character trait for Buzz toys. There might be some other toys out there like that, but for the most part they know what they are, a toy. they might not know what their based on, or even about other toys in their line (Ken and Barbie for example) but they know their toys.

I get the odd feeling that a new Woody would be jealous of what he had and try to make the others think that he is their Woody. But then the Andy on his shoe would be the indicator. An additional Mr. Potato Head could share parts with the original. Don’t know why he would but it’s what I thought of first.

I think overall it’s a dead end plot development unless it’s Buzz style and they don’t know they’re a toy.

So far the only toys we’ve seen that believe they’re “real” are Zurg and Buzz, and I guess the aliens, but they seem to understand a little based on Toy Story 3. and if all toys did think they were real, it makes you wonder, what would they think? An actual potato, a real dog, a real dinosaur? A pig or a bank?

Kevin, I love the idea of two Mr Potato Heads swapping parts between themselves.

That’s interesting, the other Woody would be jealous of Andy’s Woody. Oooh I love that!

I wasn’t saying that every toy thinks they’re real. Of course as seen in TS, Potato Head, Rex etc know they’re toys, know their manufacturers, and as Hamm points out, know what most toys are made up of, “Copper wiring right?”

I was just wondering what might, say, another Woody or Rex or Hamm etc do if they came in contact with Andy’s toys?

Heck, come to think of it, two Jessies seeing Buzz. I have that image of Betty and Veronica trying to pull Archie apart. LOL! -Omar

The Prospector’s contrast to his TV character is a very good point, mogwai. I guess it would be likely that the toy Prospector we know isn’t the only one to feel bitter about being left on the shelf as other toys are bought, but beyond that they might have quite different personalities, seeing as how the one we know differs so much from his TV persona. Definitely food for thought.

actionman81- I can imagine two Rexes getting on very well. :laughing: Both of them panicking about not being scary enough, both of them getting frustrated over video games…And if a new Rex were introduced to Andy’s toys, he’d probably be nervous about no-one liking him and that sort of thing, same old Rex really!

But I guess the key point is whether all the toys of the same type share the same personality. Like the second Buzz we see in Toy Story 2, I’d say he was very similar, if not pretty much exactly the same to our Buzz before he realises that he’s just a toy. And that delusion, I think, would apply to all of the toys. After all, what other toys do we know out of the box? I wouldn’t say the Prospector counts- he’s clearly been around for a while, and though he’s aware that he’s a toy now, that doesn’t mean that he’s always been that aware. Is this something that all toys have to experience? Remember Tour Guide Barbie from Toy Story 2? She was taking her ‘job’ pretty seriously.

The way I see it, the other toys, upon first being opened, have no idea what going on really. they might have an idea they are real, or just have no clue. when met by other toys or by their kid, they quickly realize what they are. with buzz, becasue of his personality, was more stubborn and had no doubt what he was at first. but then came to realize later.

True true Bill.

I’m still thinking about how Jessie points to the tv when the Woody’s Roundup tapes are playing, “Lookit, Lookit! That’s me!” Of course she doesn’t think she’s the actual Jessie character, but knows she’s a toy, but its still something I was thinking about.

I was just laughing at how your signature ties in with your post. ROFL! Awesome! -Omar

i was thinking i saw ts1 today and (over 11 years of watching this movie)noticed wouldn’t buzz notice the huge pencils lamp bed desk and boy. i mean come on it’s pretty obvious. :laughing:

I feel like any toy initially will think it is what ever it is being sold as. Buzz really thought he was a space ranger, and that is how he was marketed. I’m sure Rex once thought he actually was a dinosaur. However, as soon as a toy starts to be played with, I’m sure it realizes that its true purpose is to be there for their child.

So, if Woody ever met an unplayed with Woody, the new cowboy probably would think that it is a real sheriff.

How i’ve always sort of pictured it is that Buzz is so delusional in his “Out-of-the-box” state, because of the technology involved. He is by far the most advanced Toy we’ve seen in any of the movies. Slink is a plastic dog with a metal Slinky in the middle, Rex is a plastic Dinosaur, Ect. Woody kinda comes the closest out of Andy’s toys, because he actually talks. Even if it does “Sound like a Car ran over it”.

In a way, Buzz is sort of “Programed” to think he is actually Buzz Lightyear. Since he has Chips and Copper Wiring in him. The voice commands all say who he is and what he does, and he treats them as if they are his own voice recordings. And he has wings, and glows in the dark, which would make him think he is the real Buzz. Sort of how a robot is programed, I always saw it as Buzz is sort of “programed” in a similar way.

I would have thought that Woody and the others would have been the same way, but he is shocked to see that he was part of a show. Yet when he sees the record player he says “I haven’t seen one of these in ages”. Andy being only 6 at the first one would have been too young in 1995 to have really been in contact with one. Which adds to the thought that Woody was a hand-me-down from Andy’s father. But then again, Woody doesn’t run on batteries. Also the other toys arn’t surprised to see that he thinks he’s the real Buzz. Only Woody notices that he thinks he’s real. If every toy thought they were real when they first got to Andy’s room, the ones that were there before them, like Woody, (possibly Potato Head) would be used to Toys thinking they were real, and a couple would mention something like “I hate to break it to you, but you are a toy” instead of the eventual “You actually think… that you’re the real Buzz Lightyear? All this time I thought it was just an act!” Jessie and Bullseye probably were aware they were toys, and realized they were the Round-Up Gang after seeing Al’s collection.

On the note of the Prospector, I sort of see it as over the long period of time of being on the Shelf, he slowly and progressively became more of the Intelligent version as he watched the other toys one-by-one be sold. So by the time he got to Al, he was like he is in TS2.

Oh, and on the Aliens, they are only somewhat aware of what they are… At least to how I get it. They sit in the glass dome watching the claw “Choose” them, and after a while they sort of pieced together their own sort of Mythology of what it is. A Claw that will choose them to find the Mystic Portal. And them being Adopted by the potato heads sort of suggests they are kinda like Children, sort of nieve to interpret things in their own way. Because even after meeting other toys, they still refer to things like the “Mystic Portal” in the Airport, and the “Wand of Power” in the Pizza Planet truck.
Again, most of this stuff is my own interpretation of what’s what, but I think that Pixar leaves a lot of this stuff open to individual peoples ideas. Most people who watch the movie don’t think quite as deeply as we do… Just saying.

Sorry, all for such a long post. :unamused: I’ve done quite a bit of thinking on this topic, and I figured i’d spill my guts and share with you guys.

EDIT: You actually brought up a pretty good point, love70ways. I was pointing out all the reasons why Buzz is the only one that would be delusional, but I over looked that Rex kinda does think he’s real. “Were you Scared? Tell me Honestly. I’m going for Fearsome, but I just don’t feel it!” There’s actually a bit of evidence to point to both. It’s like they think that they are both… Like Rex believing he’s a Toy Dinosaur. As a toy he wants to be there for Andy, but being a Dinosaur he wants to be the Dominant Predator. Before I start to rant, I’ll just say that it can be taken either way, depending on what you think of it.

(sorry, guys - I don’t have enough time to read the entire discussion for now. I’ll read it later)

We were discussing this a bit with some friends. First of all, I’ve read somewhere online, that before going on mission all space rangers are put into hypersleep. Same with toys - so all Buzzes are in hypersleep until they are purchased. Or simply out of the box. And that’s the reason thay think they are real space rangers.
Other toys don’t have such feature.

Secondly, we think that all that electronics is just twisting their brain. So toys with electronics might always behave weirdly at first. Neither Rex nor Trixie or others have it. So they know exactly they were made somewhere in Asia and then delivered to the shop and bought.

I wonder, what if my glowing barbie thinks she’s a real fairy?)

But two Jessies would be awesome))

If Andy met up with Boo, that could be arranged. I’m starting to think that Pixar also intended for Andy’s toys to be given to Boo, [spoil]but that wasn’t the case in Toy Story 3.[/spoil]

And about Rex, I think he was just trying to “stay in character,” like Mr. Pricklepants, I still don’t see how every toy thinks they’re alive at first. That would probably lead to a lot of incidents.