That’s kind of harsh. I’m not a follower or just another Randall fan I am actully a genuine PIXAR fan I completely adored Toy Story (still do) when I was a kid, A Bugs Life aswell sighs but I will take in what you said and have second thoughts before I’m convinced.
You win.
I do not want to make enemies so I apoligise for what I did.
An apologey wasn’t really neccessary…these facts were pointed out to you and you calmed down before the…“harsh” posts were made. So it’s a case of late aggression if anything.
I’m amazed that a simple thread on whether Randall will be in the sequel or not has turned into a something that looks like a big political debate. Chill out people 
Rest assured this is not some political-like issue, merely comments coming at the wrong time due to personal emotion. Nothing to be personally scorned for, but nothing nobody should get burned by themselves.
That is fine, I accept your apology…all I ask is that at the very least, do some personal research on your own, that is what I do myself if I feel that something in the film honestly needs that much analyzation…
Just a little something. I found some fan-fiction on the web where Randall returns and becomes reformed. It’s not a particuarly villianous return, but it’s interesting to read:
About 95% of the Monsters, Inc. fanfiction is Randall-centric, and he’s the protagonist. Many of the fanfics either deal with him returning to the Monster World and making amends, or making new friends here in the Human World. Some of the fics are better-written that others, of course, but the fact that so many people not only do NOT see Randall as this evil villain, and do not hate him, and want him to be redeemed in the sequel should say something to the folks at Pixar. It gives ME hope, personally, that there are still young people who are intuitive enough to look beyond the surface of anything or anyone, rather than simply judging others based on what they see at first glance, and who understand that individuals are all capable of both doing good or doing evil, depending on their circumstances at the time.
pitbulllady
oh yeah! that was written by my friend, she is in the middle of a sequel. 
Really? Cool. 
Honestly, I DON’T want Randall to be redeemed in the sequel, I like him just the way he is, and I think he needs to get his revenge.
Then maybe Pixar should just hire some laid-off script writers from some old Saturday morning tv cartoon…I’m sure THAT would be really original, no? Or, maybe some of the writers from the old “Scooby Doo” cartoon…I’d have got away with it, too, if it hadn’t been for Sullivan and that medling KID!"
Yeah, REAL original…NOT.
When Pixar gets to be THAT predictable, they’ve completely run out of ideas.
pitbulllady
I think the problem with most revenge stories we have today is that people really don’t seem to get what it is or what it can do to you sometimes. Or the full ramifications. It’s either treated as something only 2D villians can do or either as something even admirable when heroes do it. It isn’t. The desire is very understandable to me, even if the motivation itself to commit certain actions is wrong.
Truth is, Randall ACTIVELY going back to Monstropolis for revenge is more like shooting himself in the foot, and unless he’s been driven to the brink of being suicidal because he’s so miserable and hopeless and thus returns to the monster world to ‘bring them down with him’, or he accidentally bumps in to them in some form while he’s doing something else and his emotions take over for a moment at least, I don’t really see him doing that to himself.
I mean I know spite and all is powerful, but he really would have to have developed a level of self-hatred and hopelessness to get that far to actively go back. It would prove he couldn’t have gone on in the human world at all for whatever reason that risking a very long prison sentence- and heck even longer if he tries for revenge- is more desirable than even his feelings of self-preservation. After a year he’s not there in the monster world it seems, so he’d have clearly though these consequences over if he’s still alive about returning in some form. I mean the guy would have slept on it or something more than once.
So yeah, in terms of revenge, only if he’s doing something else and is distracted for a moment from red hot anger in the heat of the moment, or if he ‘plans’ something because his will power has been effectively chipped away in some form to the brink of which he doesn’t even care for his own well being just so he can take them down with him in his own perverted sense of justice.
Nice.
Revenge can be interesting in stories, but so many stories in media get it SO wrong like I said especially in terms of this level anyway- that it’s either something you only desire if you’re completely evil and a 2D villain, or even in contradictory terms admirable depending on who does it in the story. There’s little exploration into what drives someone to those desires or the true hopelessness of the situation which can often occur.
It’s as if someone can’t do it and actually come to regret the decision, or decide it’s not worth it at the last moment because they’re better than that in fiction sometimes- that’s surprisingly rarer than the other versions (either in terms of 2D villainy or ‘heroics’ and somethimes even both in the same story). It EXISTS but still, it seems to be a lot rarer than the others in media.
Yeah, what MG said…I would like to think that Pixar is more original, more creative and more daring than that. If they aren’t, we have to seriously question why we are fans in the first place. There really wouldn’t be anything that sets them apart from all the other studios that produce animated films. They have to step up their game, ESPECIALLY with a sequel, since they are already under scrutiny just for making sequels. Such a blatantly-predictable, formula character development(or lack thereof)for Randall, IF he is in the sequel at all, won’t help. That would be, as MG put it, relegating him to be just another flat, 2-dimensional cartoon villain, again, no different than the countless such characters we have all seen on boring tv cartoons aimed at people with single-digit ages.
pitbulllady
I’M not going to attack you for your thoughts. However, surely you think it would be repetitious for ANY moviemaking studio, let alone Pixar, to recycle the same exact antagonists? Pixar has already done otherwise with the Toy Story movies, so, frankly, I’m a bit skeptical that Randall will be the same, if not more evil, in the sequel, IF he’s even in it at all.
Of course, in most ways, the work of “revenge” has been done already, and not by Randall. In fact, not by the real villain himself. But actually by the heroes.
Lest we forget that Sullivan essentially took out his own “revenge” on Randall by exhiling him.
Now, while Randall was the one to open the Banishment Door on them, it was ultimately Waternoose who decided for this, as he was the one in charge.
And a differrance is, while Randall grinned at the action, later on he seems less thrilled by the concept the two were banished. In fact I feel he regretted being party to the action.
Now Sullivan, Wazowski, and even Boo, took great pleasure in their “banishment” of him. In fact they took more time (yes, there WAS more time, so they THOUGHT about this).
Ok so what does this lead up? Sullivan took his “revenge” out on Randall for what he was doing to Boo and what he THOUGHT he was going to do to her. Of course neither of them knew the complete story of each other and never got the chance to talk on it.
So in some regards, revenge WAS carried out, and we see that it blinds all reasonable thought, abandons morals, and issues the action of self-satisfaction in the moment.
Revenge could still be involved in the story, as a tool. Sullivan already did his, and he has to regret it. If he DOESN’T, then I’ll lose allot of the respect I have for him. So HE has to deal with the aftermath of revenge.
Randall…well lets face it, he’ll want revenge right out the gate thanks to that beating he got. But time can change things, so who knows. Maybe his plans for revenge have changed. Maybe instead of killing them outright, he’ll destroy their credibility, get THEM banished through some set-up, or ruin Monsters Inc. all together. HE’LL have to deal with the concept.
If you think about it, it’s interesting. One dealing with the aftermath, the other about to commit to it. One in grief, one in anger. Makes one wonder what Randall would do if Sullivan just “accepts” whatever should come to him. Needless to say he might be surprised that “the golden boy” is going to lay down.
Wow. You make some good points, mentalguru. I’ve always thought, especially with as judgemental and basically evil as people are, maybe he was even more abused in the human world. I mean, in the monster world, being a bug eyed lizard is normal. But here, as we saw in the trailer, people aren’t so accepting of “ugly” things.
I’m not saying that’s enough for him to return, in fact I think it would be repetitive and boring to have the same villain again. I just assumed this for some reason. 
Hello IVG…it’s been awhile…
Well Randall does NOT have to be the villain as allot of us are hoping. In fact he could come off as the one…but sleight of hand…and we realize it was somebody else.
I mean if a regular person goes into this film and knows the basics of M.I., and Randall comes in, they’d expect him to be the villain, despite him technically not having been so…but like said, basics.
And yes…although his monster world treatment wasn’t as “clean as most” like all others, his treatment in this world can be just as bad. Humans can’t even get along with each other beforehand with a simple skin differrance, but look at the variety in the monster world. If you compare, it’s kind of sad.
And who knows what humans could get hold of Randall. To EAT him? Study him? Use him in some sort of circus act and be locked in a cage?
There are ALLOT of dangers out there for a monster in this world, hence WHY Banishment is considered a heavy punishment.
That’s why Sullivan and Wazowski were essentially sentencing him to death. And they PLANNED to. There was ALLOT more time in the door vault than we see, and that’s a fact. One thing that bugs the CRAP out of Randall-oriented fans is perhaps that. Sullivan and Wazowski, though slated as heroes, THOUGHT in the time they had to commit the act, instead of taking the time to listen.
Thanks IGV! Personally my philosophy is that mosty people have some good and bad in them. There are various desires we all have and can struggle with and revenge can be one of them.
It just pretty much bothers me how it’s sometimes protrayed.(Plus the double standard invoked sometimes)
Plus, it’s simply in general why I felt a sequel was needed.
Redemption wasn’t really needed to make Monsters Inc a complete movie in of itself in my opinion, since it seems Pixar focuses after all on the protaganists and doesn’t always redeem even the most sympathetic of antagonists so perhaps it’s something to expect from their style, however (and I’ve mentioned this before a while back) the actions of the protaganists in of themselves renders their own story arcs incomplete in the end. Even Boos. Which can certainly be argued as her not really getting over her fear. (Fight and flight is a natural reaction to fear, now I don’t disregard her probably having to do what she did at the time, otherwise Sulley would have quite possibly died, but… yeah.)
Of course, this was completely unintentional on behalf of the creators- the first movie was supposed to be complete in of itself.
In away of course it’s incredibly understandable why Sulley would want revenge. Sulley has watched Randall stick his best friend in the chair of the scream extractor, take Boo away from him, try to kill him and said best friend etc. Of course, against such a person, when finally in your power you might feel less than a little merciful. Almost definitly actually, the natural temptation is to dole out some pay back.
Plus, he possibly (and note this is just a possibility), felt he had a real possibility of having to be banished anyway after he got Boo home no matter what he did. In for a penny and all that. In the end he got lucky though.
Maybe Sulley also felt he was irredeemable, there was nothing good to be said about him. Just the thing was, that really wasn’t Sulley’s call to make at the end of the day nor even if that had been decided, was it his place to dole out punishment. Sulley himself is a citizen, and in terms of banishment it should be undertaken by the proper authorities.
It’s certainly understandable to want to do that. Anyone would want to do that at least a little bit. It’s just not really all that admirable to do so.
The thing is, even in terms of damaging their reputation Randall’s still risking a lot, he’s still risking imprisonment- or more. He’s still risking his own skin. He’d need assurances something wouldn’t happen to him at all… and that’s near on impossible currently (I mean they have infa-red technology possibly, considering they well… can control portals so his blending would only be a temporary solution to him being caught- monsters know their physics, I wouldn’t be surprised if the CDA could catch up to him)- or else he really is doling on self hate on top of his hatred for Sulley and Mike.
Plus it’s been a year since he’s been away it seems and you’d have to wonder what he’d been doing all that time. Surviving probably. But he would have contemplated the idea of revenge more than once for sure. But he hasn’t yet tried it seems- unless they decide to pull out a mid-quel in between the epilogue we see a year later and when they last saw Boo.
I could see Randall trying for revenge if he’d got back on that same day for sure (or tried for a day or two relentlessly to get back). He’d be mad and as subtle as a flying mallet about it. But we haven’t seen that. And he hasn’t (from what evidence we know and can see) tried to get back- Sulley got back in a few hours. With enough motivation, Randall could get back if he’s still alive.
Revenge isn’t enough of a motivation it seems, if we can’t see him come back.*
Yet anyway.
It’s still possible to pull of a good story upon the topic of revenge really. It’s just… rarer.
I really love Monsters Inc, but it’s more so for the potential of some of the characters in the end. Plus I think they are rediculously ‘human’ in how some of them react to things and the amount of bull they pull. But they can turn things around. But in any case you can believe such people exist, they’re imperfect- plus their work environment and lives are errily similar to some peoples.
It remains to be said what they’ll do in the sequel though.
I mean yeah, sure they inferred things they didn’t want to infer and there are some mistakes- but running with some of these and making another story out of it could be fantastic.
Plus M.I. pleases the world builder in me in some ways, even if a lot of the interesting things were also unintentional.
It’s very possible Randall won’t be brought in at all of course, but this just raises questions for the protaganist arc for me.
Unless we get a ‘Bo’ explanation of some description like in TS3 about what went down.
It would be freakishly dark if it turned out Randall died and Sulley had to come to terms with that. Though I doubt they’d go in that direction.
Dagnabit. I’m supossed to be working on other things but this recent discussion has caused a one-shot plot bunny to burrow itself into my brain… eh I’ll have a shot in a couple of weeks I guess. But it would be vaguely interesting to see him in a similar or even imbalanced in his favour level of power with this person. (Obvious who it is, but whatever.) I sort of intend for dark humour as well as a flash of character development for Randall in a weird sort of way.
[i]“Well let’s see, do I WANT to risk imprisonment and work for someone who has no concept of realistic time keeping and made my life a living hell for two years the last time I agreed?” He held his chin (or what might have counted as a chin) as if he considered this. Then he folded his two pairs of arms and glared at him. “No, I don’t think so. Shut up.”
“But-”
“Shut up” he repeated this time pointing at him with his top left arm. “And if you wanted even the smallest chance of actually getting me to agree to go along with it, you might have at least tried a slightly different speech to the same one you GAVE ME LAST TIME!”
Ah. He knew there had been something vaguely familar about it. That was most unfortunate. It really was more or less the same speech in some ways now that he recalled, even if it wasn’t exactly the same and had some obvious additions, and he cursed himself for forgetting. He should have realised before hand how similar the whole thing had felt.
Well minus the net he was in. And the fact Randall was currently several feet below him as he struggled to maintain his composure while he dangled from the tree within it. And the fact he was now banished and not in charge of a company Randall worked for.
But those were just details.[/i].
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Um yeah, needs some work probably. I’ll get to it later. XD.
Nexas: Yes, I’ve been avoiding this board for reasons you already know.
MG: I’ll answer you later. Sorry. I have to go.