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pitbulllady - Heh… I forgot about that. sweats
Strange…my reply wasn’t there…
Nexas- I think you accidentally put it in Pitbulllady’s original
quote.
Heh…then I quote myself in what I
said heh.
All I know is, I would love to find out what happened to
Randall after the first movie. Does he survive, if so, does he get out of the human world? I love Randall and
hated the cliffhanger at the end of MI.
Oh well, I will probably never find out. Back to the realm of
fanfiction!
Oh well, I will probably never find
out. Back to the realm of fanfiction!
True, and there is imagination. We can always imagine
the endless possibilities of what coukd’ve happened next.
All I know is, I would love to find out what happened to
Randall after the first movie. Does he survive, if so, does he get out of the human world? I love Randall and
hated the cliffhanger at the end of MI.
Oh well, I will probably never find out. Back to the realm of
fanfiction!
Well for one, yes he is alive.
I’m sure nobody would want to think of
the “hero” Sullivan as a murderer…
Well, it was kind of cold the way Sully threw Randall through the door even though the poor guy was
screaming “No No Please Please!” That always bothered me. I mean, Sully could’ve shown a little
mercy…
Well, it was kind of cold the way Sully threw Randall through the door even
though the poor guy was screaming “No No Please Please!” That always bothered me. I mean, Sully
could’ve shown a little mercy…
Shows who’s a villain doesn’t it.
BorntothePurple: But you have to admit, Sulley did the right thing. Randal would’ve
continued with his evil scheme with Waternoose. I felt Sorry for randal but I think he got what he deserved.
[quote="The Star
Swordsman"]
BorntothePurple: But you have to admit, Sulley did the right thing. Randal would’ve continued with
his evil scheme with Waternoose. I felt Sorry for randal but I think he got what he
deserved.
[/quote]
Hahaha…ahh…ignorance in such matters. Surely you meant to switch Randall
and Waternoose in that second sentence of yours to make it right.
Yeah, but couldn’t he have done something else? I
mean, for all Sully knew, Randall could’ve been sent straight to Antarctica, where he would have died in minutes
(him being cold-blooded and all) Maybe Sully could just have turned Randall in after exposing Waternoose. I’m
sure there could have been some alternative.
It kind of bothers me that a hero would hurt someone who is
begging for mercy. Maybe that’s just me.
Yeah, but couldn’t he have done something else? I mean, for all Sully knew,
Randall could’ve been sent straight to Antarctica, where he would have died in minutes (him being cold-blooded
and all) Maybe Sully could just have turned Randall in after exposing Waternoose. I’m sure there could have been
some alternative.
It kind of bothers me that a hero would hurt someone who is begging for mercy. Maybe
that’s just me.
For one the door was random mostly, or if it was picked out, it
was ironic, but given these two it was their lucky day…
As for why they did it, Sullivan was encouraged
by Wazowski to do it. Not to mention the two were too idiotic to even stop for a moment. Though in all fairness,
Randall was as well during the chase…rather…“return”.
BorntothePurple- I hate to be nit-picky, but Randall isn’t actually cold-blooded,
for if he were cold-blooded, some issues would arise such as when Randall opens the door to the Himalayas for
Waternoose to push Mike and Sulley through, Randall is exposed to a very cold blast of air that, if he were
cold-blooded, would send him into some kind of hypothermic shock. But you’re very right in implying that Randall
wouldn’t have been able to deal with the cold well, if at all!
And I completely agree with you that
Sullivan did the wrong thing banishing Randall. I mean, when Sulley had Randall in his grip, it’s not as though
Randall could’ve got away or anything! Sulley could easily have just handed Randall over to the CDA and would be
safe in the knowledge that Randall’s punishment would be what he deserved.
Also, banishment to the Human
World was also just plain stupid. I mean, how many times in the film do we see Mike and Sulley get ‘banished’
but then easily return like five minutes later? If the door that they chose to banish Randall in was random, it
could quite easily have been a door that led into a suburban neighbourhood, and Randall would be back without any
trouble at all!
[quote="The Star
Swordsman"]
BorntothePurple: But you have to admit, Sulley did the right thing. Randal would’ve continued with
his evil scheme with Waternoose. I felt Sorry for randal but I think he got what he
deserved.
[/quote]
I beg to differ, Star Swordsman. Vigilantism is NOT the "right
thing"; no one has the right to take the law into their own hands, not in any civilized country! Suppose
you and I were in the places of Randall and Sulley, respectively-you did something that was clearly wrong and
tried to harm me, but in the end, I get the better hand and have you under control. Now, by LAW, my
responsiblities would be to deliver you to the proper authorities, where your guilt and punishment could be
decided by the legal system, and where you would be entitled to legal representation and a fair trial, right?
Now, what if I decided to act as judge, jury and executioner myself, instead of turning you over to the justice
system, because I was mad and wanted to get even, so I haul you up to an interstate overpass and chuck you over
the edge into oncoming traffic, knowing fully well that you’re going to be killed in a most horrific way, either
that or you will at least be severely maimed and suffer pain and crippling disability for the rest of your life.
Now, according to YOU, yourself, this is fine and dandy, and in doing that to you, I’m doing the "right
thing", correct? If YOU did something illegal, or you’re saying that YOU should not have any rights
whatsoever to a trial, to a legal defense, or even to have YOUR side of the situation told, right? If you tried
to harm me, I myself should kill you, NOT in self-defense, because the scenario I described would take place
AFTER the conflict, AFTER I’d neutralized whatever actual threat to me you posed, and you were no longer in any
position to hurt me or anyone else, but after that fact, because I was angry and wanted revenge on you-and this
is OK? Do you yourself practice vigilante “justice”, going after anyone who has wronged you and
extracting your own brand of revenge, instead of taking it up with proper legal channels? That’s what Sulley
did, so if it’s right for him, it’s right for anyone else, correct?
pitbulllady
Yeah, but couldn’t he have done something else? I mean,
for all Sully knew, Randall could’ve been sent straight to Antarctica, where he would have died in minutes (him
being cold-blooded and all) Maybe Sully could just have turned Randall in after exposing Waternoose. I’m sure
there could have been some alternative.
It kind of bothers me that a hero would hurt someone who is
begging for mercy. Maybe that’s just me.
Sulley and Mike knew perfectly well where
that door would lead to, since Mike was in charge of knowing where doors led to as part of HIS job. They knew it
led to Louisiana, where people EAT alligators and other “reptiles”, and aren’t afraid of large, toothy
creatures, so they had little doubt that Randall would most likely die a horrible, brutal death there. They just
had this incorrect notion that if they didn’t kill himself themselves with their own hands, they would somehow
be absolved in his death. Obviously neither of them is familiar with the concept of Second-Degree Murder. Read
my response to Star Swordsman’s claim that Sulley “did the right thing” in taking the law into his own
hands, and compare the situation I described, of ME taking someone and pushing them from an interstate overpass
into traffic because they’d done something wrong to me, and see if you think it would be right to do
so.
As for Randall being a “reptile” or “cold-blooded”, let me assure you he’s NOT.
I breed reptiles, primarily snakes, as a hobby. I have a Biology degree. I KNOW reptiles. No cold-blooded
animal is capable of carrying out the physical demands that Randall is. Reptiles have inefficient
cardio-pulmonary systems, with a three-chambered heart that cannot keep up with the demands for oxygen under such
strenuous and sustained physical activity. In probably less than 10 minutes, a reptile’s blood would be flooded
with dangerous levels of lactic acid due to such activities, and it will start to go into shock, becoming
lethargic and weak. Furthermore, since they have a body temperature that quickly assumes the temperature of
their surroundings, even those few seconds spent standing directly in front of the door to the Himalayas would
have thrown Randall into probably irreversable thermal shock, if he’d been cold-blooded, either rendering him
unconcious or immobile, or dead. And what company is going to hire an employee who MUST spend up to half of each
year ASLEEP? Randall would never have been able to get to where he did on the Scare Board, let alone accomplish
building that machine for his boss, if he had to take off from November through April of each year to hibernate!
There’s a website, which is still up but no longer maintained, which has probably the most extensive Randall
screen-grabs out there, and in one screen grab, as he’s practicing in front of the different screens, he’s
taken a deep breath, and you can make out his rib cage and a muscular diaphram for breathing, and reptiles do not
have this feature to move air and in and out of their lungs, so they can only breathe by expanding their ribs in
and out, laterally, which is not very efficient at moving air. Although Randall LOOKS superficially reptilian on
the outside, from a biological standpoint, he’s probably much more like a mammal on the
inside.
pitbulllady
BorntothePurple- I hate to be nit-picky, but Randall
isn’t actually cold-blooded, for if he were cold-blooded, some issues would arise such as when Randall opens the
door to the Himalayas for Waternoose to push Mike and Sulley through, Randall is exposed to a very cold blast of
air that, if he were cold-blooded, would send him into some kind of hypothermic shock. But you’re very right in
implying that Randall wouldn’t have been able to deal with the cold well, if at all!
And I completely
agree with you that Sullivan did the wrong thing banishing Randall. I mean, when Sulley had Randall in his grip,
it’s not as though Randall could’ve got away or anything! Sulley could easily have just handed Randall over to
the CDA and would be safe in the knowledge that Randall’s punishment would be what he deserved.
Also,
banishment to the Human World was also just plain stupid. I mean, how many times in the film do we see Mike and
Sulley get ‘banished’ but then easily return like five minutes later? If the door that they chose to banish
Randall in was random, it could quite easily have been a door that led into a suburban neighbourhood, and Randall
would be back without any trouble at all!
The ONLY reason that Mike and Sulley were
able to return from their repeated forays through the Human World in the Door Vault Scene is due to ALL of the
doors in the factory, and their corresponding closet doors in the Human World, had been simultaneously activated
by Boo’s laughter and screams. When they got banished to the Himalayas, Sulley made it back by following the
sounds of children screaming in the village, but keep in mind that this is a part of the world where there is
very little noise from things like cars, trucks, air conditioners, generators, televisions, stereos, etc., and
where superstition leads to children being easily frightened, where all of the homes are very close together, and
where few people are going to carry or own firearms. It would have been pretty easy for Sulley or Mike to here
the first scream of a child and make it to that house, and just stroll right in through the unlocked door and
make their way to the closet before the Scarer left. Even the adults would probably have been too scared to
challenge them, given the wide belief in demons in Buddism. Randall, on the other hand, was thrown into a part
of the world that is full of noise, full of violence, and where most, if not all, adult humans have a gun at
their disposal, as do a lot of the kids! He was thrown into a part of the world where crime is rampant, and
people keep their house doors locked at night, and have burglar alarms and dogs and such. On top of that, he was
thrown into a part of the world where it’s commonplace to kill and eat large, reptilian creatures, not fear
them, and the doors were inactivated in the factory. By the time they were activated again by Boo’s laughter,
Randall would have either already been dead, or at least badly injured to the point where he would not have been
able to make it back, plus that door in the factory had been destroyed for "good
measure".
pitbulllady
claps
As always an extensive and informative piece
Pitbulllady
Yes, extensive, but not really referring to the point I originally made.
Pitbulllady- I realise that Randall was thrown into a part of the Human World which wasn’t ideal, to say the least, but my point was that if the choosing of the door was random, he could’ve been thrown into a place where there was an easier access to doors. Even without all of the doors being activated at once, Randall could easily just go into a child’s home and wait for the door to be used.
The reason I make this point is that it’s yet another reason why it seems a bit silly for Mike and Sulley to have banished Randall instead of handing him over to the CDA, and yet they still went for the risky option (though, in their case, they were lucky and it paid off).