Monsters Inc. 2?

Pixar's Feature Films Monsters, Inc. / University
#81

See, this is what I mean about taking these arguments to a personal, and somewhat aggressive level. It is possible to disagree with someone, but still respect their point of view without going overboard.

We understand that you feel close to Randall, even to the point of thinking about his life prior to Monsters, Incorporated in order to give an idea of why he is the way he is. But you even said yourself that if you don’t know why a person is the way they are, you can’t criticise them because you don’t know where they have come from. But you yourself are just speculating. And even if Randall did have a tough life, does that really excuse his behaviour? He is an adult and ultimately should have taken responsibility for how how acted, and thought of his effect on other people.

Randall is meant to be the bad guy. The Pixarians said it themselves. I think it’s pointless trying to look for excuses to justify his behaviour, because he is just a nasty character and was made that way for the movie.

#82

Martini833
How can a movie be ruined for you? You can still watch it with the same opinion, well…not exactly…every watch experience can be different ^_^, and enjoy it. We’re not ruining anything for you, and don’t intend to.
We are NOT taking the movie out of context. We are using that context to prove some things to people who DON’T want to look at things deeper. If you don’t, no quall…but if you aren’t going to at least consider some thoughts and be a bit more opened, it’s kind of unfair to judge harshly.
Not real? I’m sorry that you haven’t learned yet Martini…I suppose your life hasn’t had such hard patches for a need of such a thing. Good for you. But I see your not one to argue or something similiar so I’m not wanting to be harsh…I apologize if I am.

Glyph
Waternoose was the villain here while Randall was the pawn, kinda a fact there. Not being forceful, just saying since your new ^^ Arrived recently, welcome to the board ^^

Well it kinda depends, I mean innocent people CAN be put into jail…wonder…if an innocent person breaks out of jail is it really wrong heh…

Exact lifes aren’t essentailly it, but similiar experienes and understanding are. You could have a kid who killed his father be sent to jail, and later find out he was being beaten whenever he did the slightest thing wrong. Seems inevitable that the kid would be in the pen just because nobody knew what lead him to do what he did.

Martini833
One would expect a Randall Fan to bash another’s liking, but I won’t, I do respect your favorite, just as well as anybody (People can account that I HAVE defended Sullivan on occassions). Actually there IS allot that CAN be proven…but yes some that can’t, but this one is pretty much the former if your willing…

A113
B-on-T? Bont? What does bont mean? :slight_smile:

Rachelcakes
I do not think Pitbulllady was “targeting” our newbie…but just the…kind of people we have encounted is such predicaments. I mean it’s not like people have bashed Ran, though I don’t see so much in anybody else’s field, before, and there ARE those that just keep hitting him over the head and don’t consider some things.

It’s not all speculation. Many of it is based on what we see and rounding down to the inevitable truth. Sure, there is allot we’re unsure of, but some things we have found out.
You really haven’t been around this section much have you? Waternoose was the player of cards here, Ran’s boss, and thus can fire him on a whim if he wanted to. And THAT is just for starters.

Nasty? Well…if that ain’t a firm unjustify-like claim I don’t know what is…

Alright. Everyone IS entitled to their opinion. Nobody’s trying to ruin the film for anybody and nobody’s intentionally bashing anybody else.
It is just…there are some things just put forward that if you think for a moment you start understanding a little better. Do a little digging, get a firm grasp, and you learn a bit more. Sure, some people can speculate and to a degree defend on it. But overall, some try to SHOW some people what they “missed” and “can think of”…and for the speculation to go “how about this?” or “maybe it was that”…it just seems unfair to bash someone over the head who can’t come out and defend THEMSELVES without understanding THEIR intentions and what THEY were TRYING to do…instead of just focusing on the “hero’s” views and just force your decision there.

#83

Look, we’ve obviously drifted a lot here, because of various differences in opinions.

A discussion like this is always a fascinating thing, and I love hearing about everyone’s different viewpoints, but the second this gets personal, it all goes downhill.

So, why don’t we leave it as it is, and agree to disagree. Or, if someone really does feel strongly about the subject, they can start a new thread to discuss the facts and to speculate.

#84

OR the next person who decides to make a thread can veer the conversation back on track if it starts getting off-topic. Members may at least respect that wish. Topics tend to digress a little, but if it ends up in a direction completely unrelated to the original post, drop by to remind everyone. This is what I’ve had to do in two threads I’ve posted here. It’s not fun.

#85

If some new members need a rundown on some findings to be better aquainted, better to do it early then let something worse pop up later. If it takes a couple posts to explain/comment on then so be it.
I’ll agree with Lizardgirl on this bit…

#86

that would be cool but I think that they should do this instead. Create a short about 30 minutes long or so. It would show how everything has been 10 years from where the movie left off.

#87

That may be an option, but a short might make them all recall Mikes New Car, which is basically a short-add-on which they’ve already done. Good idea though.

#88

I’d rather they either made a sequel, or they didn’t, personally. A short might answer a few questions, but it would leave me inevitably wanting a full length feature, because I’m greedy like that. :stuck_out_tongue:

#89

Yeah, I probably would’ve felt that way too ha :smiley:

#90

Or maybe in a new Pixar film, show some in-jokes from Monsters, Inc that indicate hints of what happened after Sully opened the door to see Boo.
pauses to ponder
Then again, that might be hard, some people might not get it, and it might take people’s focus off the plot of the new Pixar film.

Sorry if that sounded confusing.

#91

No, not confusing, it was a good idea.
It just seems a sequel, full-length film would be a better option. It’s been many years since the original movie, and some people might not recall it through subtle implants in another film.

#92

In Monsters, Inc 2, should it Boo be a little older and the lead character, or still an innocent little toddler and from Mike and Sully’s point of view? What do you think?

#93

Well since Monsters Inc. ended a year later…Boo would be a little older anyhow, and having pretty good/organized speech at that…
Though we already HAD those two’s point of view, the so-called hero’s would probably get the pull again. Even though I think Randall should get his turn of redemtion in the sequel. Sure. Entire story might not HAVE to be focused on him. Afterall, could be between Sullivan and Randall. And underneath it all, see the differences between them and what each has gone through. (Sullivan is, SUPRISNGLY, CEO of M.I. now…so very successful…let one’s mind wander to what Ran could’ve experienced…and I doubt the bayou looks kindly to a reptilian monster as the best citizen in the world or something like that…

Well Boo MIGHT not be so innocent. Afterall, at the end of the film she overcame her “fear”. So she would probably be more braver and adventure-like. Which is perhaps what would drive her to return to the world again when Sullivan re-arrives. She might be a sort of “tomboy” perhaps. And having a “big guy” like Sullivan to back her up, she might not be so shriekesh in preschool.

Another interesting interaction would be between Boo and Randall. Sure, Ran might be mad that Boo, to him and others, caused part in his exhile…but I doubt Ran would go to hurt her (which he did not do/intend for her in the first film). And seeing as how he’s her scarer, and Boo is no longer afraid, would be interesting to see how the two have a conversation for once.

Personally, now that I think about it…Boo, Ran, and Sullivan would take centerstage with their over-lapping stories (Boo’s changed life and re-introduction to Sullivan and the Monster World, Sullivan’s grudging CEO job and possible guilt, and Randall’s struggle, anger, and redemtion) and we could also see how Wazowski and Celia’s relationship goes (as a sort of side-story). Afterall, those two MIGHT have married…and for one to think, maybe a kid.

#94

I really prefer the idea of Boo being just a few years older, old enough to be able to speak clearly and in complete sentences, old enough to know the difference between right and wrong and to have developed a sense of compassion towards others(which face it, the average two-year-old does NOT have), but still young enough to be cute, and to say things that sometimes might not be appropriate in that particular situation. I don’t particularly like the notion of a teenage Boo, mainly because so many of the fanfics I’ve read, in which she’s a teen, depict her as emo/Goth, all smart-mouthed and often self-destructive, or a victim of parental abuse, or a popular cheerleader juggling boyfriends. Very few take the time to consider what made her unique in the first movie-her creativity and artistic ability. Regardless of which age she would be in the sequel, that should be something of importance, since it’s such an important aspect of her personality.

It would be interesting, I think, to meet her parents, or parent, if she’s got only one(we all know that with the Disney influence, it’s almost forbidden for a child character to have TWO parents), and to see how they cope with her talking about “Kitty” and “Mikewazowski”. Would they think these are Imaginary Friends, and brush it off, or become concerned when odd things started happening, like Mom finding a tuft of blue hair caught on something in her daughter’s room, and the child could be heard talking and laughing with someone else at night? Maybe they’d move, thinking that a change of locale would put a stop to this “Imaginary Friend” stuff, once and for all, and Sulley would have to try and find her.

Of course, I agree with Nexas, in that Randall should return, play a key role, and have his chance for redemption, which is a much more powerful storyline than the jaded “Bad Guy threatens Good Guy, Good Guy kills/beats up/defeats Bad Guy” Saturday morning kiddie cartoon fare. I’d like to see some collaboration between him and Boo, perhaps the two discovering a common bond between them. Given that Randall designed a very complex piece of machinery, he’s got to have some degree of artistic ability himself, in one form or another, and that would be a good way for them to connect.

pitbulllady

#95

Boo should only be about a year older (assuming that monster and human time are the same) because in the last scene Sully is looking at a chart that says “First Year Results” or something similar. Therefore, Boo can’t be much older than she is. Maybe she’ll be able to talk better, but she won’t be a teenager or anything like that :slight_smile:

#96

Remember in the Toy Story films, when Andy was about three/four years older than in the first movie? That worked with real time, which makes me assume that he’ll be going “to college” in TS3. If there is an MI sequel, it will be at least 5 years away, which, if Pixar follows the same pattern, would put Boo in her teen years.

#97

Well, I personally always had Boo down as sort of a three/four year old, at the most five. So if we add five years on, she’ll be (at the most) ten years old. There’d have to be a much bigger gap for Boo to be in her teen years.

Personally, I wouldn’t like to see Boo in her teen years anyway. Around the age of 7 or 8 would be quite interesting, but I’m assuming that at least two years has already passed between Waternoose’s arrest and Sulley’s takeover of the company, and Sulley has probably been in charge for a while. Therefore, if we were to see Boo at 7 or 8, the sequel would have to be placed pretty much just after, or at the most a year or two, after the end of the original (assuming that Boo is, say, 3 in the original and Sulley has been in charge for three or so years).

#98

Five years from now. Since MI was about seven years back, Boo’d be at most 17.

#99

Oh right, yes, I see what you mean. I know Pixar have worked in real time before, but I’m not sure whether they’d do that again with MI2…On the other hand, it would add another element of realism to the movie and would make it feel as if there might actually be a Monster World out there! I’m still not keen on seeing Boo as a teenager, though.

#100

Actually, since no one would like seeing her that old, that could be the main plot line; maybe she tries to ignore the monsters, or doesn’t remember, or maybe she’s still passionate about it and others think she’s crazy. Anyway, i don’t even think there will be an MI2 anyway. But if there is, expect Boo to be much older. (that would be a movie i’d totally want to see)