And these arn’t even the people in the actual park! These are the people working in the hotels!
Haha “Don’t throw away my mom, Disney.”
Although, it is a bit cruel to bring the kids into this. It seems that they actually enjoyed the movie and now they’re being forced to turn against it.
“Forced” is a bit of a strong word. And I wouldn’t laugh at them. That just seems downright cruel.
But in the end if you’d ever ‘forced’ to choose between your parents jobs and a MOVIE…
You’re going to choose your parents jobs aren’t you?
Especially considering their job you know, helps pay for you at the same time. In any case the parents employment does affect the kids so…
Still, hotel workers in general in America are treated pretty poorly in some aspects too. And considering how Disney tourism treats some employees in general- blech, I almost don’t want to know. This is why my tour guide this summer kept on telling us to tip people in hotels though.
In any case, they should be treated better, even if you find the movie to be awesome, clearly these people are more important than that and once again if in some bizarro world that it was to choose between better care for workers or say HTTYD to get the award in my case- I’d sure as hell go with the workers… People’s livelihoods are more important than a movie and something which ultimately just a silly little award. Sure it represents accomplishment- but is that more important than say even one person being able to put food on the table? NO. And it never will be.
Even if once again I have to say, in the end, I’d prefer TS3 and any movie nominated to be judged on its own merits and the thing is that choice is not viable or able to be made anyway- Pixar not getting the award won’t get them what they want probably. Thankfully for Pixar that’s not a moral conundrum for them.
I just hope Disney listens to them and treats their employess in both parks and hotels better in general. But I’m not holding my breath.
In the end- this is so their voices are heard I think now. They’re unlikely to sway the awards opinions on this matter but yeah, people would be unlikely to hear of this otherwise. At all. So publicity guys, publicity. This means more support for their cause from people who otherwise wouldn’t have heard of it. And Pixar are the ones with power, not them, so if they did respond to them in a deogratry manner I’d be incredibly angry and disappointed at them. While it’s not fair Pixar is a target, there is more to this than meets the eye and it’s not simply people being “stupid”. And considering the fact Pixar is a huge company with a good reputation my heart would hardly bleed for them. Thankfully, I doubt they’d do that.
To be honest though I’d also if I were them throw in the idea of getting ambulances to be allowed into parks as well- not just in staff safety but visitor safety as well.
Yes there could be other ways to gain publicity without targeting Pixar, but let’s face it it’s the way to get the largest amount of attention these days. So I can understand their motivations- and while it’s not fair to Pixar, ultimately I’m sympathsising more with workers and can understand why they decided to do that.
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Like everyone else said, the TS3 nomination doesn’t apply to their wages. 
But hey, freedom of speech.
A good cause by the wrong methods. I would lend a hand, but not until they choose an honest method. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but regardless, they’re still spreading lies to get publicity.
I just think they should win Best Animated Feature. Don’t really care if they don’t win Best Picture.
Attention whores. That’s all i have to say about these people.
They should make a case with Disney and leave Pixar’s masterpiece alone.
“Please, don’t throw away my mom.”
Maybe it’s run by Armond White, lol
Do you guys think this is true?
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was true. Based on reports, it seems like for quite a long time now, Disneyland has been badly mistreating their hotel workers refusing to compensate for health injuries and having to take lesser wages to keep their jobs. And while I certainly agree with everyone that Toy Story 3 Best Picture Award =/= Better Wages for Workers, I completely agree 100% with mentalguru that in some mixed up world where that actually was the case, no movie award is worth the fair and equal rights of employee compensation. If it were my parents’ jobs on the line and Toy Story 3 winning BP did indeed have some strong connection resulting in them being mistreated, I’d boycott it in a second. Beside[spoil]s, I really hate to say this but I kind of don’t really expect PIXAR to win BP this year, just like every other year *eyeroll
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Like Dinoco said, it’s a noble cause but with the wrong methodology.
Thank-you PB, honestly, some of these insults being hurled towards them in this thread make me want to face palm with such ferocity that I’d probably cause myself a head injury. I feel more sorry for them than anything else, they’re unlikely to affect these decision being made anyway and Pixar does not need someone to hold their hand even if it somehow did happen. (But it won’t- TS3 will get it regardless if they were going to get it before this happened. If they don’t get it, they weren’t going to anyway).
That being said, I have decided will probably continue to get the movies, but I can’t go to their parks until they treat them better.
There could be other ways to gain publicity, it’s simply Pixar was the big apple they went for, they’re the ones people always look at in these awards and are officially connected to Disney-, I just hope that if Pixar does ever respond or hears of this, they won’t simply care about their own interests or say try to silence them but even in a round about way help raise publicity surrounding the issues which drove these people to do it (even though of course, they wouldn’t support the notoystory3 campaign itself.) It would be immensely charitable of them to do so. Not to mention the right thing to do. After all, peoples livelihoods and families are at stake here which is why they tried this in the first place.
Oh, oh man. Now, I’m all for people getting the care they deserve, but I still have some points:
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Do something that will actually effect the division of Disney that’s screwing you over. Like, request that people boycott Disneyland or something.
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On that note, trashing PIXAR, a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIVISION OF DISNEY RUN BY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PEOPLE, is going to donothing for you. You’re bosses will just be laughing all their way to the bank at your protest, because it doesn’t matter to them if the animated movies win or not. They’ll still be making money!
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Seriously? TS3? Not even Tangled?
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Its pretty selfish of you to deny others of recognition of their work because you have a problem with people who happen to be working in the same hugemungous corporation as them, since the awards aren’t going to be making the bosses money anyway.
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Stop trying to demonize Disney as a whole, or act like they’re special in this action. Sorry, this just really pisses me off. Disney is a major company in a recession. They are going to be cutting costs, especially on things like hotel workers. Sucks? Yes. Not fair? Probably. Can you fight it? Of course you can, and you should. But saying “KILLDISNEYANDEVERYONEINIT!” is just…ignorant. Disneyland has almost nothing to do with Pixar, Disney Animation Studios, or anything, really. Its a completely different section. Again, it would be way more effective for them to request a boycott of Disneyland than trying to take down Disney as a whole. Do these people have the slightest clue of how major corporations work?
EDIT: Wow, this just got even less sensible. After a brief conversation with my older sister (a business major) Disneyland and Disney Entertainment are not only different sections of Disney, but different corporations entirely. They are under the same umbrella company, but don’t share money at all.
Technically Disneyland itself has screwed over it’s employees for quite some time though, it’s not just the ‘recession’ but typical of Disneyland in general apparently. They apparently were willing to accept low wages if they could have health care provided- now that’s gone.
It’s what they do in general, and they put even visitor safety on the line simply to maintain their image. It’s simply what they do.
It’s just not the sunshine and rainbows people would think it to be. Plus some internet searches show there is some descripency and disagreement over whether Disneyland parks are overall in fact being hit by the recession at all itself particulary hard (or really much at all). However, I’ll admit this picture is unclear and confusing to me. It seems as if Tokyo’s version is doing remarkably well and even benefiting. Euro Disney might be suffering though I am entirely in the dark about what is happening to their American parks. There are some pieces calling Disney ‘recession proof’ from what I see, though of course, this ‘research’ is hardly in depth so far on my part. But they are just afraid of not making as ‘much’ money. They’re hardly in the red it seems though.
In the end these people are desperate and yes once again it comes to -publicty- the movies are more widespread and looked at than even the parks are- not everyone in the west goes to a park, but nearly everyone has seen a Disney movie- Pixar especially for a while now or at least sees their publicity more and hear people talk about them and awards. Which is possibly why they made that decision. Plus the thing is like it or not they come under the same name, even if they are not connected as closely as people think (or even they think?)- plus of course the movie characters were the reason for the parks in the first place. Honestly I’m almost not surprised if the animation studios and the parks are completely seperate now though, though it makes me thankful because I can still see their movies without being entirely hypocritical- they certainly don’t practice what they preach if they had been! Thanks for that info! I was worried for a bit about how close they might actually be! 
I kind of doubt they know how big businesses work somehow rac-rules- they’re low income families, while there are of course exceptions, many wouldn’t know or think to check that out. Or maybe even care that much even if someone told them after they posted it or heck just before. I mean come on think about it, while of course it’s still unfair to target Pixar, in one corner you’ve got a hugh multi-million movie company distributed by another huge multi-million company and then you’ve got hotel workers in a different section of the company with hardly any monry to rub together and are in a large amount of trouble and pretty desperate and need to make the biggest splash for their cause as soon as possible. Time is of the essence in their eyes.
Oh yeah, they’re totally going to be tearing up about even the idea fof Pixar maybe not getting an award versus them getting the largest amount of publicity they can in order to try and gain support in any way they can. I’m sure their hearts are breaking over that. Really. Honestly. Seriously! I’m sure they’re plagued by guilt tripping dreams rather than nightmares about how they’re going to pay for their families and themselves.
Nah. Don’t think so somehow.
In the end- this is what it’s all about, making the biggest splash possible. It’s not going to work anyway though (actually somehow affecting TS3’s chances at all) and even in some bizarre backwards universe where it happened, would it affect Pixar in any way in the long term? Of course not.
Unfair method? Targets the wrong people? Absolutely! But still in the end they want to be heard- and this is the easiest and fastest way to do it.
Basically quoted for the truth, but had they just taken the honest road, they would’ve had much more support.
Some support I’m sure, but you know what they say about publicity- there’s no such thing as bad publicity. I’m pretty sure there’s many a quote of people who want to be remembered or acknowledged at all rather than play by the rules and be ignored. I think it’s still possible they may get a marginal amount of more support at least in some form from this than from simple strikes/targeting Disney land. I mean, I’m not supporting this particular campaign myself but I’m all for supporting them in general to get health care back.
Kind of wish there had been some alternative to support though.
Mmmm, I’m starting to see a flaw in their plan here and maybe your point. What about people like me? Who totally wants to voice support for them getting their healthcare back but doesn’t support the idea of TS3 not being judged fairly? Sure they’ll get more reponse, but they’ll also lose out on a few supporters too…
Maybe start a letter writing thing which is kind of seperate. IDEK…
I think you’re missing some of my points, though. I know they don’t care about if Pixar gets an award or not–heck, I wouldn’t either. However, they are not hurting Pixar as much as hurting themselves. Yes, they will be heard. Yes, people will see them and say they support their cause. Still, major corporations tend to be more influenced by the golden word here: money. Not public outcry.
One of the biggest problems is, as an article on Cracked pointed out, in this day and age most people don’t realize that clicking “like” on the Facebook group won’t actually do much. If, say, these people organized a protest at Disneyland and a boycott, actually doing something besides complaining, people might listen to them. What they are doing is like blaming the herding dog because the cows don’t get fed–sure, it may get the farmer’s attention, but why would he change unless he had real motivation? Most likely, people will go “Yeah, that sucks. I totally support them. Down with TS3!” and then forget about the entire thing. Despite PETA’s whining, McDonalds is still in business. Why do you think that is?
However, if you give someone an actual chance to DO something, you take a formal, honest approach, people WILL take you more seriously. Now,I understand how scary this is for them. Two of my uncles have lost their homes in this economy (one a single dad of four). Being dependent on a low paying job is terrifying, especially since its not exactly difficult to replace a low-skilled worker. I applaud them for how brave they’re being, taking on a company like Disney with the little that they have. But that does not change the fact that their campaign is poorly thought out, researched, and targeted. And no company is “recession proof,” I think, it more that those companies are run well enough that they can handle an economic downturn.
True, though personally I was just making the point that they’ll still get a lot of attention from this, and maybe someone who WILL support them in the right way, but regardless they may also not have thought of this in any case- it’s still heard and I’m sure quite a few here… just simply wouldn’t know otherwise, but the truth is… I have thought of a way they could have used the movies in another way. They could have indeed used the point in which the movies Disney produces/endorses do not reflect how they treat park employees (… pretty much the truth there, oh dear could you imagine what most of the movies would look like if they did? Horrors.). They could have heck made this point on the basis of these awards, without saying that they shouldn’t get it or try to affect the outcome. Through the movies as a stance they could try and advertise a mass boycott of parks. Because they do… sort of have a point. I mean the parks have characters both of traditional disney and Pixar in some cases in suits, telling people to have a good old time. They use these character from the movies. (Including Pixar) not just in the movies. In a way they are connected, albeit not completely.
The thing is though controversy still gets support- because despite the fact PETA are nuttier than a fruit and nut bar, you do indeed get celebs willing to stump up cash and support and help impressionable teenagers and other people part with their cash.
(Which is what they really want. I’m for animal welfare myself but not PETA of course. They just want cash and hate other humans in the leaders case anyway…)
Yeah, it is scary for some nowadays (heck there may be a day my uncles are going to be in trouble-they’re cow farmers on free range farms and things are going the way of big factory farms eventually), but when desperate, people can make faulty, not all that well thought-out decisions so I think they should be sympathsised with to a degree (unlike PETA , it’s a slightly different thing with the notoystory3 I think-their main aim is clearly what they want, though of course they are too targeting the wrong things- these guys aren’t exactly the same to me- PETA aren’t fit to lick these people’s shoes given the things they do in comparison, not to mention they are just in it for the money really.). It SEEMS a good idea to them though and yeah at first they might think that when they get ‘ringing endorsements’- and a way as I said to make a splash but it can result of course in things going nowhere as you’ve pointed out.
And it probably will unfortunatly for them.
The thing is it could also have gone that way even without the ill-aimed ‘splash’, they feel they’re trying their best in their view and have to do this, yet they are of course probably ill-informed (or think that even despite it not being Pixar it will still work), and people with more knowledge on business probably will ignore them, so I can’t help but feel sorry for them.
And wish there was something with the same aim and yet different method.
Well that’s just human nature. Its pretty difficult to find someone who really acts as honorably as the morals they preach.
I see what your saying, and I do agree with you on some points. They will get support for what they are doing, I just don’t think its the kind of support they want. Plus, even if people do support them for it, like boycotting Disney animated movies because of this, as I said before, they will be taking money from the wrong people–nothing will be accomplished.
And I do sympathize with them, but I still can’t help but shake my head too.
And maybe PETA was a bad analogy. (By the way, HOW DARE YOU COMPARE PETA TO A FRUIT AND NUT BAR! Insulting those tasty treats like that…)
Lol nice one! 
Mmmm, I’ll make a sacrifice to the appropriate gods in order to cleanse and make up for my insult towards the fruit and nut bars, because truely they did not deserve such a comparison.
Eh, I still think this is fail. I really feel bad for them, but they should have taken a different approach.