Pixar Should Stick to In-animate Objects

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#21

Okay, it may be popular on the net, but not where I live. Where I live, the artists I

know don’t often obsess over films- they’re concentrated on their original works, something I’ve begun to do.

It’s most definitely not popular around the New York area. When I liked it, I once doted around an Incredibles

Violet key chain along with my many others, and (I guess partially it was 'cause it was big) I was, out of

nowhere, teased for it. O_O Well that was a piece of garbage and it broke into several pieces weeks later but …

anyway, from my personal experience, it’s just not popular. Maybe it is on the net, but that’s because there

are several fans in every other state and they all gather into one place and it makes it seem like it’s

incredibly popular, but I’ve seen more fans for several unknown films I happen to enjoy.

I really

shouldn’t ‘make fun’ of the Incredibles, if that’s what it seems like I’m doing but … well, I stand up for

what I like, both in real life and on the net, and I get made fun of. And to me, Incredibles seems kinda silly to

obsess over, (and they don’t seem to get made fun of), and when people get angry at me for saying that, they

make fun of what I like and … bleh, I guess it’s just one stupid circle. What goes around comes around.

=P

#22

Personally, my opinion is that Pixar really pushed themselves to the limit with

TI in every way possible- story, scenery, characters. Just everything. But the reason it’s one of my least

favourite Pixar films is because it doesn’t have the charm that some of the others do. Also, because there are

quite a few important characters, by the end of the film I still feel a bit distanced from them as it’s hard to

progress and develop a main character in itself, let alone four or five main characters. I know people will

disagree with me on this, but as I said, I just don’t feel connected to any of the characters by the end of the

film.

I can understand it being quite popular, but maybe not as popular as expected. Pixar did go into a

difficult genre with TI, and they did amazingly well, but I didn’t really feel the charm from TI that we’re all

used to from Pixar films.

Still a very good film, just not Pixar’s best, IMO.

#23

Wow - we sure have come a long way since the days at I-k and Luxo.

While on the one

hand it’s like a knife through the heart to hear such comments about The Incredibles - on the other hand it does

my heart some real good to see how broad our fan base here has grown spanning all of the Pixar films and such.

:slight_smile:

#24

I agree. I wasn’t there to experience I-Kronos or Luxo, but I can tell TI plays a heavy part in this site (TI

has 6 current leads out of 12 in the Assortment of Bests Topic).

However, I think it was extremely wise to

create this site & name it PIXARPlanet . . . to encompase all PIXAR things in general. It truly has been

great being here!

#25

While TI isn’t my favorite Pixar film (currently fifth, although it’s of course very close

for all of them), I’m glad that Pixar decided to do a film with real human charaters. Obviously I didn’t feel

that way when it first came out because I wasn’t really “into” Pixar at the time, but in retrospect I

think it was great for Pixar to branch out, and Brad Bird is one of the best things that has happened to the

company. As he says, animation is a medium, not a genre, but until he came along with TI Pixar had indeed had

their trend of movies with anthropomorphized central characters that is oh-so-common in animated films. John

Lasseter and his proteg? directors have done great jobs, obviously, but the branching-out provided by Brad and TI

is an excellent opportunity for Pixar to grab and run with. I’m just hoping that Brad’s directing Ratatouille

isn’t a sign that he won’t have any more opportunities to do another human-character film, although I’m sure

that that’s not the case.

And I think that the characters in TI and their depth is at least equal to that

of the characters in any other Pixar film. Until Cars came out with good ol’ Doc Hudson, Bob was probably my

favorite Pixar character.

#26

Haha, I’m going to get virtually stoned to

virtual death for this, but since we’re all expressing our opinions, I didn’t ever consider myself a Pixar fan

until The Incredibles. I saw Toy Story at the theatre

and thought it was okay, but I waited to see []iA Bug’s Life[/i], Toy Story 2 and

Monsters, Inc. on VHS because I was underwhelmed with TS. Don’t get me wrong, I

thought the animation was great and I liked the concept, but I just couldn’t get into it. I giggled all the way

through ABL and MI, but when I saw Finding Nemo in the theatre, it put me off again.

(In my opinion, it’s very kiddy. The story is too fast-paced, it jumps from one scenario to the other, and I

never felt I could connect with the characters because they didn’t have enough time to develop, simply because

there were so many primary characters that they wound up being stereotyped to explain their personalities and

motives to the audience – eg. Crush the laid-back hippy, Gil the dark, mysterious, withheld stranger,

etc…)

I actually had a vendetta against Pixar for a while because, in my mind, it was the success of

Pixar’s films that was turning Disney to CGI instead of traditional hand-drawn animation. (Obviously it’s

cheaper and quicker, too, but let’s face it, Disney’s 3D isn’t of the highest standard and it doesn’t merge

well with 2D. Look at any recent 2D Disney film and nine times out of ten you can tell

immediately where something was done on computer.)

It was only when I saw

the teasers for The Incredibles that I really started getting excited about Pixar

again. It was funny, it was clever, and since I’m a comic book geek at heart, it looked like a good laugh if

nothing else. I went to see it on the day it was released, and it had already become one of my all time

favourite films by the time I walked out of the theatre. Even my boyfriend, who puts up with my animation

obsession grudgingly, sung it 's praises for weeks. He bought me the DVD the day it was released, and sat and

watched the film and every single extra feature with me, glued to the screen. And I know for a fact that it has

a very large off-line fan base composed of people like my boyfriend who aren’t into animation enough to join any

forums, but count it as a favourite film. I used to work in a bar, and I’ve talked to so many adults who would

normally (wrongly!) assume that any animation is meant for kids alone who have told me how much they love

The Incredibles. A forty-year-old guy used to come into my pub wearing an

Incredibles baseball cap every week, but his kids had to drag him to see it to begin

with.

It is very different from the other Pixar films, and I think if you were a very big fan of the

earlier films maybe The Incredibles doesn’t sit as well with you, but it’s because

I was so impressed with The Incredibles that I decided to go back and watch all of

the other Pixar releases again and became an utter fangirl. :wink:

…Let the stoning commence!

#27

Holds stone (Hmmm . . . not just

yet).

I’ve loved PIXAR films from the beginning, but during 2001-2004 I did not see a PIXAR film . . . I

just didn’t have the time. If it wasn’t for my friends taking me to see [i]The

Incredibles[/i], I would certainly not be the PIXAR fan I am today (and IMO, it’s my third favorite,

behind A Bug’s Life & Monsters, Inc.)

It

does appear that many people who’ve stuck out since the beginning don’t tend to like The Incredibles much, and

it does appear that those who were “recently” (as in since 2004, and not 1995) don’t like the older

films as much, but The Incredibles, was – like it’s name – incredible. I had

heard of the huge fiasco between Disney & PIXAR, and I had known for some time what was easy to animate and

what wasn’t (people, hair, water, fire) . . . to see a flowing epic drama as [i]The

Incredibles[/i] on my local silver screen – I was floored. It brought back that confidence in PIXAR

that I did not have since Toy Story 2 . . . back in a time when I didn’t see PIXAR

outside of Disney!

But to watch ABL, TS2, AND MI on VHS . . . especially when MI has SUCH a wonderful DVD

. . . I don’t know if I could accept THAT. (tosses stone mildly . . . not too much momentum! :stuck_out_tongue: )

#28

LOL! Well, in my defence I didn’t have a DVD player at

the time! :wink:

#29

The thing is with TI, is that now I really can’t imagine another human orientated

Pixar film. I’m pleased that they made One Man Band, but I still can’t imagine it…What style would they

use?

Sorry if this is a little OT.

#30

I’m no artist, so you can all stone me

instead if I’m completely wrong, but are the different “styles” of the human characters all that

different from film to film? Sure, the people in TI look a heck of a lot better

than Andy and Sid, but aside from having put in a bit more work because of them being main characters, I don’t

think there’s that much of a stylistic difference between them and, say, P.

Sherman. And in the end, with me, if there’s a good story, I’m all for another Pixar film with human main

characters, style notwithstanding.

#31

Pixar doesn’t care too much about making their human

characters look extremely realistic. They only care about the story and what to do with the characters to tell

the story. All the animators have to do is make the humans believable.

#32

I abolutely 100% agree.

#33

Personally, I

think think there is a slight style change. Of course, Pixar aren’t going to go for 100% realistic or anything,

but, for example, bodily proportions were taken to the extremes a little with TI. It still looked good and

believable, but had the right amount of…say, difference from a real human being to make it fun. I think there

are several different ‘styles’ that Pixar could do concerning humans, but of course they haven’t really had a

chance to try them out properly, as humans have only been their main characters in one film.

#34

We’ve seen humans in five different settings . . .

Toy Story (Andy, Molly, Mom, Sid, Al), Monsters, Inc. (Boo), Finding Nemo (Darla & P. Sherman), The

Incredibles (the Whole Cast), and the Shorts (Tippy, Bass, Treble from OMB, Geri from GG, & Billy from

TT)

I beleive them all . . . and I can see another human cast sometime in the future . . . they may not be

main characters . . . but they do seem to have mastered humans, IMHO.

#35

Definitely, compared to some other studios as well. Final Fantasy’s main flaw was the look of the characters,

and I think the same applies to Polar Express.

#36

I personally

have never thought that Pixar have ever done a non-believable human. Well… the baby in [i]Tin

Toy[/i] freaked me out a little, but aside from that… :wink:

The facial expressions are

excellent, and I think the best thing they did with The Incredibles was to

deliberately make them more cartoony, so they could, for example, get away with shots like

this:

[img]http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n70/Mell_O_Drama/incrediboy1206.jpg[/img:aea61679

cb]

(Is it just me, or does anyone else think it looks like Bomb Voyage is trying to kiss him

there…?)

I can’t imagine it would have been nearly as good or effective if they’d tried to make the

characters look more realistic. And it works on so many levels: any superhero or supervillian in traditional

comic books is utterly unrealistic. The men have more muscles than they can use and woman have bodies like

Barbie after surgery. It’s almost a satire to make the superheroes unrealistically proportioned, and yet more

real than comic book heroes at the same time! :wink:

Still, there’s so much detail, down to the freckles,

and just little things like that really make you believe in the characters. I love Syndrome’s close-up (the

‘I am your biggest fan’ line), because he may have a massive chin and gravity-defying hair, but the details

make him seem so human. (Do you suppose he invented his own hair gel? I mean, you’d need so much gel to hold

that up, but when you put too much in, it weighs the hair back down again, so you just wind up looking like the

girl from The Ring, and then you have to go back into the shower and wash it all out

and blow dry it again, and then you try to put more gel in, and the same thing happens, and then you realise

you’ve been trying to get your hair up for three and a half hours and now you’re late and there’s no point in

going out now anyway – I mean… er, never mind.)

#37

It’s not just you, and I think Bob

realized it, too. Just look at his face! :laugh:

~~=oP

#38

I did not notice that until now. I don’t want to say Bomb Voyage is really attracted to Mr. Incredible. But he

is just excited that his bomb is going to explode and claim a victim.

#39

I feel

it is within all all our abilitys to ensure and completly understand and remember why these movies were made, and

what they have done to the entire world. it can be said that a movie that is made with hard work, passion and

love for the medium will be one heck of a movie… maybe it’s just a matter of “opinion” or maybe it’s

a truth. Could we possibly open our eyes a little wider to truley see these things made by wonderful and talented

people.

The Incredibles is no exepection to this unconditnal love from me. I’m still in awe that movies

have made it this far, it’s amazing… from black and white movies with no sound to High-tech computer generated

imagery, it really is astonishing and No amount of “opinions” will change that.

your

friend,
Cory Ag

#40

I think that obviously… Pixar shouldn’t have attempted

The Incredibles back in like… Toy Story/Bug’s Life time… in fact that’s the reason why they stuck to

in-animate objects. But, I believe the time was ripe when they came out with the movie. They’ve gotten so good

at showing expressions and observing how the real world looks… that it just works. And plus, they put just the

right amount of realism into their work… if it were too much, it would be creepy. And frankly, boring. I mean,

I expect Pixar to give me something out of this world… something I’m not used to seeing everyday. If it were

too cartoony, people would criticize it because we, as humans, know humans. What Pixar did with The Incredibles

was that they imitated humans, and got the emotion and expressions to be exact. However, they exaggerated

everything. I mean, look at Bob… although there are people with a large chin … er… area… no way can that

be half your face! Heh. Well… I think… there. :wink: