POLL: Randall's intent during door warehouse chase sequence

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#21

Animagusurreal

So your saying Pixar’s not good enough to both supply the obvious for the audience and a deep meaning for the dedicated? Whoa…and I thought this was Pixar Planet Forum…

At that time Randall was taking relish in the moment of winning…something he hasn’t felt too much in his life.

How limiting.

My point in making is that me, Pitbulllady, and Lizardgirl, have been researching for years. We have made discoveries from the facts presented. Your opinions are, yes, your opinions. However…we ask that you consider what is presented before being rash. Most like you look at the simpler picture.

If so, let them fall off the face of the Earth’s “round corners” to prove it to themselves heh heh.

Tahaha…actually it is rumored to be inspired by a previous work heh.

Your point? That’s the surface show for the public. As done, Randall is shown as a villain, yet he is not, as Waternoose was the lead here, and so the public is regarded to that.

Hahaha…how limiting you are.

Heh…then enlighten us.

Hardly making your point here. They are consiered “heros” mainly because you follow them and they appear to do such good actions. Their names appear next to everything, that’s not useable.

LIZARDGIRL

True. And at the time, Sullivan wouldn’'t have called out given what he thought of the situation.

Good point.

Once again, good point.

Heh heh.

PITBULLLADY

Good point there with relating to order and logic.
And to add, since Monsters are a parting way from OUR ancestors, their society and ways are reflected in a similiar (albiet not completely) fashion to ours. That morely shows that there is logic and order in that, more or less Mon logic and order.

Such resistance…heh…amusing.

#22

First off all, this will be my last post on this subject. While it’s been fun, I didn’t mean to spend this much time on this, and if I didn’t write that, I’d be posting in this thread forever :slight_smile:.

Now then…

Vexas -

When you and Pitbulllady asserted that Randall wasn’t the villain of the film, and how “obvious” it was that he was taking her to her door, I thought that you were saying that Pixar never intended the general audience to see him as the villain at all, were supposed to know that he was taking her to her door, and that nobody who saw the film was supposed to even consider Option # 1 as an option.

This post sounds more like you are saying that Pixar purposely made the general audience believe that Randall was a villain, while leaving clues for “what was really going on” for the die-hard fans. This makes sense to me. Personally, I still don’t believe it’s what happened, but I find it conceivable :slight_smile:.

Actually, I never intended to rule out Option #2 as a possibility. That’s why this poll is headed "What was Randall trying to do during the door warehouse chase sequence? " It’s an open-ended question.

Note that I have also included an “Other” option, so that anyone with any opinion on the subject - including ones that didn’t occur to me at all - can still have a vote in the poll. (I would love to know what that person who voted “Other” thinks :slight_smile: )

I find it interesting that you find me limiting. I have put forth my opinions as opinions, preceding many of them with phrases like “I think” and “I believe” and “To me” and “personally”. You have stated that your opinions are the only true facts, which, to my thinking, is limiting.

The only “limits” I mentioned are that the creators are who decide what is canon and what isn’t, which I think is pretty widely accepted. If my own characters ever do make it big, I would want to be the one who decides what is canon regarding them.

I believe that it was actually yours and Pitbulllady’s assertions that your opinions were superior to everyone else’s on this board (or so it seemed to me) that inspired me to continue arguing these points with you, more than the actual movie itself. Something to think about in the future if you are trying to convince someone of something :slight_smile:.

Lizardgirl - Thanks again for expressing your opinions without putting down the opinions of others :slight_smile:.

#23

Oh no no no no, you didn’t offend me in any way. I was just addressing everyone in general in case they, umm, “tried to get on my case” (which is something that has happened before). Sorry I kinda blew up like that. I hope I didn’t hurt your feelings. :blush:

But yeah. Back on-topic…

animagusurreal - Well, thanks. :slight_smile:

– Mitch

#24

Mitch- Hey, don’t worry- I just wanted to clear things up. :smiley:

#25

Nice for you to say that. I will reply even though I know no return.

As stubborn as you were, your coming to see it. A good note to remember is that in the original drafts Randall was never intended to be a villain. But when Eisner took himself to grapple ahold of Pixar and Dinsey’s relationsip, it would be no surprise to me that he affected the various movies.
In some ways, Pixar could have taken a slight stab at Eisner by making the “CEO of a certain company” to be the main villain.

Heh. We’re not so limited. We have merely found the conclusion of this particular bit for having looked over it for several years heh. My dedication as well as Pitbulllady’s own work experience and reptiliian know-how, have put us as, maybe not experts, but leaders in the field.

This poll can be a reflection of all opinions, but we’re merely stating what is shown and what is concrete. If it’s considered, we have no quarrel. But to dismiss the obvious and founded is merely an argument with little to no control.

This is not our first time with such arguments. You sould start looking beyond what is presented and not stick so strongly to it. That’s someting you should think about in the future.

#26

Upon reading that, I realized that that comment might have been a subtle reference to my last thread concerning co-employee jealousy. :laughing: Because I am still a student, delving too much into a topic like the work place is apparently way over me, lol.

Anywho, I accidentally voted for “other” when I meant to click on “Randall didn’t know…”. Oops. I really don’t believe he was trying to kill her either because maybe he thought it’d be a waste of time and energy to kill a toddler that couldn’t even begin to form words, let alone talk about the things she’d seen. I do believe though that Randall was probably improvising as he went along and figuring out his situation.
It’s a thought.
Shame you’ve decided not to post here anymore. I really was enjoying reading the thread.

#27

II always thought that Randall was trying to do two things, without failing to do the other:

  1. Kill Mike and Sulley.

  2. Bring Boo back to Waternoose.

First, he would have to get Boo away from Mike and Sulley, then kill Mike and Sulley, then bring Boo back to Waternoose. That’s what seemed to be going on, since when he first jumped at Mike and Sulley, he was shouting, “GIVE ME THE KID!!!”.

#28

I think the exact thing as A113, and he wnated Boo for her laughter or her scream which would make him the top scarer and he’d get rid of Mike and Sulley and Waternoose would ask Randall to steal the children etc etc.

#29

Well that’s what you were believed to see.

Wrong there Martin. Scream Extracting is merely a machine doing the work of a scarer. So in effect, the Scare Record would be locked.

#30

Nexas- Who said anything about the Scream Extractor. That is seriosuly what he was gonna do, if I could prove it I would, he definately just wanted Mike and Sulley gone so he could have the scare record and MAYBE steall other children like Boo.
And again it’s a movie so I’m not wrong because it’s speculation; if I’m wrong you are wrong.
It’s also pretty ridiculous to not see how Mike and Sulley are the heroes of the film. I think this whole topic is a competition to see whos the biggest Monsters Inc. fan and how outrageously they can twist a perfect story line into a misleading mess.

#31

Because it’s connected to the Scare Record/Top Scarer you added in.
Well yes those two for a bit of personal reason as well as being ordered by Waternoose.
As for the two not being heroes, I don’t see causing panic in a city and illegally banishing someone without regard to be rather heroic.
Honestly heheh…if you want to keep the film in it’s simplicity go ahead, no fighting against that…

#32

Thye didn’t cause panic intentionally. and who did they banish???

#33

Maybe it wasn’t their intention. But, at the time, and their current know-how, they could have given Boo to the C.D.A. While I agree the C.D.A. would not be…as…“Gentle” in their actions, the two could’ve done that just to end any trouble.

Randall. Simple in that. Although he, yes, tried to kill them, the fact they didn’t even make a moment to listen or hand him to “proper authorities”.
Oh forgive me forgive me…it’s not “Banishment” as that’s one of the highest punishments declares in COURT with a JURY handled in a FAIR TRIAL that ALL should get. Sorry heh.

#34
  1. The thing is they dind’t, they could’ve, but they DIDN’T!!!
  2. No Comment :question:
#35

  1. I can give’em that one. Seeing as how Harry Hausen’s was locked down and, in one media, disentigrated, the C.D.A’s handling of humans, as well as material, at the time was aggressive. And even though the two considered her…well more so Wazowski than Sullivan…“animal-like”, the two probably didn’t want her getting hurt, or concern for their own safety or the like.

  2. Not so surprised…

#36

Nexas- This is a friendly argument right??
i hope so :slight_smile:

#37

I’m being friendly. Actually a nice guy.
I mean if you want the simplistic view of the events, no problem. You can.
But some of us look deeper into what’s there and hard to find. And with that, have a better understanding.
For one, in such films we see from the perspective of the proposed “hero”. We don’t see it from anyone else’s. Unless it’s kinda like Pulp Fiction where it keeps switching who’s main, but still kinda lets you follow in the end. Anyway what I mean is…seeing it from one perspective and leaving it at that leaves it one-sided.

#38

If Randall wanted to be Top Scarer, and the whole thing was about being Top Scarer, then why did he say in such an incredulous way,

“You think this is about that stupid Scare Record?!”

To be honest, Randall was most likely looking for a higher position in the company as reward for his work, as well as a hefty pay rise and somewhere nice to live.

Of course, it would’ve been very unlikely for that to all happen anyway, because if Randall had successfully killed Mike and Sulley, gone back to Waternoose with Boo, tested the machine, and saw that it worked, Waternoose’s line of thought probably would be something like ‘why don’t I just banish Randall too, and get all the credit for stopping the energy crisis?’

#39

But had the scream extractor been a success, wouldn’t he need Randall to tell him how it operates, work out any last minute improvements, etc? Vanishing the guy he hired to build and operate the Scream Extractor probably wouldn’t be in Waternoose’s best interest even IF he wanted to take credit for the project. Like all new technology, the SE was likely not the final design and the final product that would have been used in extracting screams; it was made from different spare parts Randall found around the company, afterall. The way I see it, he’d need Randall to continue to design other more sophisticated models if the prototype had been declared a success. I DO feel that Waternoose was at least a bit sincere and willing to keep his word when he offered Randall a better position within the company after the success of the SE. There’s just so much about the machine Randall might know that HE doesn’t, so banishing him just to take the credit might be more of an inconvenience than an advantage because I don’t see engineering being Waternoose’s forté. I can imagine him BSing his way through a demo and pulling the wrong switches and buttons on the thing, lol. The idea just seems rash and completely unnecessary, IMO.
Either way, chances are he will take the limelight since he IS the CEO and DID come up with the general idea and presented it to Randall so that he could get it going for him.

#40

LIZARD GIRL
Good point. Though Pitbulllady would add in that since the Scream Extractor might make Scarers obsolete, the Scare Record would relatively stay where it is, as Fangs McDonald’s achievement.
Well it was Waternoose’s plan all along, and since only Randall and Fungus knew about it, he would be the kind of person to take the credit all for himself. Whether it be the two get no credit or…“Aren’t around” to take it.

DOUBLELATTE
Actually a good point there. Which explains one reason why Waternoose target Randall since he (waternoose) isn’t as mechanically potent as Ran is. Though it can be argued Randall probably makes notes on how the design went. Or perhaps Waternoose had blueprints and wanted Randall to build it (and be a fall guy). Or maybe Waternoose ordered for such things. shrugs Who knows…Waternoose did plan everything else pretty well, so wouldn’t surprise me if he figured that bit out.