After this movie won, my mom said it was dumb. I was/am very annoyed.
I thought this was a good, Oscar-worthy movie, but there are other animated films from the year I’d say I enjoyed better. (Which may not necessarily make them critically better, of course, since I personally like Cars 2 more)
I too enjoyed Cars 2 more, but thought this was a better film.
That is not nice.
I personally thought that Rango was the greatest animated feature of 2011. Followed by Rio.
Yeah I liked Rio.
I would say:
Tintin
Rango
Rio
Cars 2
Kung Fu Panda 2
Puss in Boots
Yeah, I wasn’t very impressed by Dreamworks this year, as I was the last two. KFP2 was good (or a LOT of its elements were), but I think it lacked something. Maybe it suffers when I compare it when the amazing first film. For Puss in Boots I really didn’t care.
I think that’s about the same as my list woul be^^.
My list would be:
Rango
Rio
Puss in Boots
Winnie the Pooh
Kung Fu Panda 2
Cars 2
In terms of only personal enjoyment, I’d rank 2011’s animated films that I saw like so:
Cars 2
Winnie the Pooh
Tintin
Rio
Rango
Funny how if you ranked it by actual quality, it’d probably be upside down, lol
I think, both in enjoyment and quality measures, this one wasn’t a great year for animation, as I don’t believe we got any true masterpiece in every sense of the word.
BUT, I won’t say it sucked either, as some think. None of them was very bad, I think (we thankfully didn’t get Shark Tales or Chicken Littles this year)
I would say that is my list too.
I too agree it wasn’t a Masterpiece year of animation, I still think that 2011 was a much better year for animation than people give it credit for.
Yeah it was a better year.
For me it’s:
Cars 2
Kung Fu Panda 2
Rio
Rango
Overall, I felt Rango deserved its Oscar for sure in my case. While personally I preferred KFP2, Rango just felt more like oscar material or worthy of it.
I have to say I WOULD like to see the other films I never heard of which got nominated though. Oscar nominations can often mean promotion for lesser known films. Heck, I didnt even know of the Book of Kells movie before it contended with Up for it and… well, look where I’m from. Oscars often add to my to watch list. Granted their 'recommendations aren’t always good. (The Social Network anyone from last year? And also of course… The Help this year, which I have yet to watch personally) but it makes me curious enough to rent it usually.
Personally though I AM going to watch The Help at some point while being fully aware of how bad/insulting it apparently is. Morbid curiosity strikes again!
While I’m not that keen on The Social Network, saying that it isn’t good is too much of your personal opinion. Most critics found it very worthy.
I’m sure you won’t find much support with that one either. Not only The Help is a superb film, but I don’t know about anyone who found it insulting.
Eh The Social Network just simply wasn’t interesting to me at all. I don’t see the appeal and no it doesn’t seem worthy to me.
The Help is considered insulting it seems since it tries to be historically accurate but it isn’t. It’s apparently to be candy coated history of a time of real fear for African Americans. I’ve more or less also seen it called “White people solve Racism.” The book has also had a lot of controversy surrounding it.
It basically trivialises the real suffering of the setting at the time from what I’ve heard. Black historians have more or less been slamming it constantly (heck before hand also, with the book being a best seller). So yeah, quite a few people find it insulting, which is pretty much why I want to see it. Because such a controversy means I want to be fully informed on it.
You mentioned the important thing twice there and it’s the phrase “to me”. Opinions are valid (and as I’ve stated I didn’t love that film either, but they’re not enough to make a film “bad”. The solid reviews of the experts everywhere say the contrary.
Same with The Help. You say it’s been regarded as “bad”, but actually it met with incontrovertible praise, despite what a few could have opined.
That has happened with films from The Bridge on the River Kwai to Gladiator. That doesn’t make them bad. We’re dealing with fiction here.
Well, I’m not surprised with that kind of hollow criticism, as practically everything that touches controversial topic gets it. But this one was probably made by people who didn’t see the film.
Yes, Skeeter (the white heroin) decides to “help” the colored maids by writing a book, but there’s even a point of the film where she isn’t the protagonist anymore and the maids themselves take the spotlight.
If we want to get into an example of a “bad” Academy Award nominee, we should be talking about Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close
PS: I just realized this is happening in the Rango board and not in the Academy Awards one, so we should get back to topic.
I’ll concede your point about TSN.
But I can’t about The Help. Because if it IS true, that it has ‘candy coated racism’, then it is insulting and it shouldn’t have been made.
In the end this is for several reasons. For one, The Help isn’t set that long ago. The REAL maids of the time? They’re still around, some of them. And it HAS in fact been promoted as historically accurate. So yes, that is bad. Also, considering the fact that it’s supposed to be about racism, and many historically educated people of that oppressed group as well as former women of the time who would have been called The Help’ spoke out against the book and all it’s therefore pretty insulting it seems.
I mean I do hear there was a certain scene surrounding a pie, and that for many people it was hard to laugh at considering the fact such women have been beaten for far far less in those days.
Here is also a letter by a black historian:
abwh.org/index.php?option=co … p%E2%80%A6
Another interesting review I found was this (though the reviewer is white):
www2.macleans.ca/2011/08/11/the- … gregation/
Here is a review of the book by a black novelist who brings some interesting points:
ew.com/ew/article/0,20516492,00.htm
And a review on American tv about the movie:
youtube.com/watch?v=gnA1WUjGSXk
In the end, The Help sounds like a (non-boring/better acted) version of Song of the South in the sense that it doesn’t deliberately hate, it isn’t outright malicious towards the victims of racism, but it’s insulting due to the fact it (apparently) skims over the true effects of segregation and the times as they were it seems.
Also making the ‘saviour’/main offer of help from a white woman is not the best plan.
And if a film about racism insults the very targets of said racism, then yes, it is bad.
Therefore I feel I must see something this insulting because I want to be informed on it too. I’m sorry if you liked the film, heck apparently it had entertainment value for many, but yes it was insulting to various people, and yes many of these people have in fact watched the movie or read the book. Because they are keeping informed on the issue themselves. They are more knowledgeable on history, or at least the specific history attributed to this film.
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Getting back on topic: Are the makers of Rango making anything in the future? I’m kind of hoping they don’t cash in on a sequel.