You can believe what you want. I believe that Sarah Palin is a great choice because she loves God and has good Christian ideals. Everyone’s made mistakes, so it’s all up to voting.
The pro-life fanatic’s kid got knocked up. How’s that for karma.
hardcore liberal
I’m sure she’s a wonderful person. I just don’t want her as the vice president.
Also. “I believe that Sarah Palin is a great choice because she loves God and has good Christian ideals.” - Separation of church and state? Her affiliation with any higher power(s) shouldn’t even be considered in your [or anyone else’s] political opinions.
As I said, Swimmy, after a kid can drive it is VERY hard to control them. Sometimes, the morals you taught them as kids don’t even matter anymore if there is enough peer pressure. It is my belief that the only thing stronger than parent pressure is peer pressure.
Honastly, people, what is WRONG with her? It’s already been proved she wasn’t lying, so so what?
Welcome to PP, Swimmy. Don’t worry, I’m not nearly as aggressive as I am when riled up with politics everyday.
SC: You wouldn’t understand. Let’s just say that if the Supreme Ruler of the Universe is listened to by someone who could very well become the supreme ruler of my home country on Earth, then i think they should be elected. 
I’m around the same age as her daughter. I’d like to consider myself a good person. But hey, maybe Alaska is different.
It just astounds me how much the Republicans, who advocate American tradition [among other things] instead of change, have completely thrown the separation of church and state out the window. If the Constitution isn’t traditional, I don’t know what is.
Thanks for the welcome! And I promise I’m not vicious either 
Everyone has their own opinions, and I respect that.
Besides. I’m going to miss voting by like…a month. I really don’t care. Anyone is better than Bush at this point.
I don’t understand everyone getting so hyper over separation of church and state. I think a lot of people are getting that phrase wrong. As I understand the Constitution, there is no such thing as “separation of church and state.”
The text of the First Amendment, as found at the National Archives website, says: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” I bolded the part pertinent to the current discussion. (You can find the entire Bill of Rights here.)
This statement prevents Congress from enacting laws that create a national religion or force the people of this country to follow one religion over another. It even prevents Congress from passing laws that restrict a citizen’s right to practice whatever religion they wish - even if it’s no religion at all.
This amendment is meant to keep government out of religion, not the other way around. Nowhere does it say that members of a certain religion are not allowed to be President, sit on the Supreme Court, or what have you. Would anybody be arguing if a yarmulke-wearing, kosher-keeping Orthodox Jew was a major party nominee for President (besides Hamas or the PLO)?
The issue is when people use the bible or like for their arguments on abstinence only programs and abortion.
I can see how that is an issue, but until Congress makes a law saying abstinence-only education will be taught in every school - which can’t really happen, since the Department of Education doesn’t even get involved in writing school curricula (that’s decided at the state level), that argument doesn’t hold much water.
I do agree that since not everybody agrees with or believes in them, that religious documents of any kind (Bible, Qur’an, Talmud, the Vedas, and so forth) should not be used in a general argument. (This is why I’m not going to touch the abortion part of your post, because most of my arguments against abortion do stem from the Biblical worldview… that and I don’t think any argument I make against abortion will really change anybody’s mind.)
Long story short (too late!), religious beliefs (or the lack thereof) shape each person’s worldview, and of course a worldview is going to influence a person’s arguments for or against a certain issue. Personally, I try to be a little more generic, so to speak, in the sources I use for my arguments that are not of a religious nature, but at the same time, I’m not going to start arguing for abortion if I believe it’s wrong. But, there is still no Constitutional statement saying that using personal belief systems as the basis for one’s argument on a topic is wrong.
SC and Fett101: I know what i’m talking about. Abortion is wrong because murder is wrong. Easy as popcorn. Ready KE’s post for more info. 
But you believe that because the bible says life begins at conception where as others don’t consider it a human until it is viable or self-aware.
Doesn’t it have a beating heart when they do the abortions…that’s a life.
Then I assume you’re a vegan?
Al-bob and A113 - Do you support the death penalty? Just out of interest I’d like to know.
More and more honest conservatives are now disgusted with John McCain, and it’s interesting to see how McCain’s actions lately has turned them against him.
Richard Cohen, a columnist at the Washington Post – and a staunch supporter of McCain until now (do a google search to find his old columns firmly supporting McCain), finally wrote a column today on how disgusted he has been that one of his heroes (McCain) has now become the lying politician that McCain used to fight against.
He makes some very good points about what McCain used to be like, compared to what he has sold himself to be today (italics are mine).
THE UGLY NEW MCCAIN
By Richard Cohen
Wednesday, September 17, 2008;
Following his loss to George W. Bush in the 2000 South Carolina primary, John McCain did something extraordinary: He confessed to lying about how he felt about the Confederate battle flag, which he actually abhorred. “I broke my promise to always tell the truth,” McCain said. Now he has broken that promise so completely that the John McCain of old is unrecognizable. He has become the sort of politician he once despised.
The precise moment of McCain’s abasement came, would you believe, not at some news conference or on one of the Sunday shows but on “The View,” the daytime TV show created by Barbara Walters. Last week, one of the co-hosts, Joy Behar, took McCain to task for some of the ads his campaign has been running. One deliberately mischaracterized what Barack Obama had said about putting lipstick on a pig – an Americanism that McCain himself has used. The other asserted that Obama supported teaching sex education to kindergarteners.
“We know that those two ads are untrue,” Behar said. “They are lies.”
Freeze. Close in on McCain. This was the moment. He has largely been avoiding the press. The Straight Talk Express is now just a brand, an ad slogan like “Home Cooking” or “We Will Not Be Undersold.” Until then, it was possible for McCain to say that he had not really known about the ads, that the formulation “I approve this message” was just boilerplate. But he didn’t.
“Actually, they are not lies,” he said.
Actually, they are.
McCain has turned ugly. His dishonesty would be unacceptable in any politician, but McCain has always set his own bar higher than most. He has contempt for most of his colleagues for that very reason: They lie. He tells the truth. He internalizes the code of the McCains – his grandfather, his father: both admirals of the shining sea. He serves his country differently, that’s all – but just as honorably. No more, though.
I am one of the journalists accused over the years of being in the tank for McCain. Guilty. Those doing the accusing usually attributed my feelings to McCain being accessible. This is the journalist-as-puppy school of thought: Give us a treat, and we will leap into a politician’s lap.
Not so. What impressed me most about McCain was the effect he had on his audiences, particularly young people. When he talked about service to a cause greater than oneself, he struck a chord. He expressed his message in words, but he packaged it in the McCain story – that man, beaten to a pulp, who chose honor over freedom. This had nothing to do with access. It had to do with integrity.
McCain has soiled all that. His opportunistic and irresponsible choice of Sarah Palin as his political heir – the person in whose hands he would leave the country – is a form of personal treason, a betrayal of all he once stood for. Palin, no matter what her other attributes, is shockingly unprepared to become president. McCain knows that. He means to win, which is all right; he means to win at all costs, which is not.
At a forum last week at Columbia University, McCain said, “But right now we have to restore trust and confidence in government.” This was always the promise of John McCain, the single best reason to vote for him. America has been cheated on too many times – the lies of Vietnam and Watergate and Iraq. So many lies. Who believes that in Afghanistan last month, only five civilians were killed by the American military in an airstrike, instead of the approximately 90 claimed by the Afghan government? Not me. I first gave up on the military during Vietnam and then again when it covered up the death of Pat Tillman, the Army Ranger and former NFL player who was killed in 2004 by friendly fire.
McCain was going to fix all that. He was going to look the American people in the eyes and say, not me. I will not lie to you. I am John McCain, son and grandson of admirals. I tell the truth.
But Joy Behar knew better. And so McCain lied about his lying and maybe thinks that if he wins the election, he can – as he did in South Carolina – renounce who he was and what he did and resume his old persona. It won’t work. Karl Marx got one thing right – what he said about history repeating itself. Once is tragedy, a second time is farce. John McCain is both.
In the future, could you just link to an article of that length? Thank you.
There are plenty of stories; here’s a popular one. A baby, before being born, had to be operated on, so doctors had to…get in there. yuck Anyway, while one of the doctors was working, the baby reached out and grabbed the doctor’s finger.
It’s alive!
WITW? 
lol
I don’t. It’s wrong because murder is wrong.
Oh, if i could vote now, i’d vote for him, but i don’t think he’s all that great either. First of all, it’s easy to see that he won’t change anything for the better, but i’m supporting him mainly because of Sarah Palin. Also, he’s pro-life and thinks marriage is between a man and a woman, which it is.
But both Obama and McCain are…how do i say this nicely…* synonym for “losers” *
I’ll go easy on McCain today. It must be hard remembering that Spain is not located in Latin America (let alone that Spain is an ally – in NATO), and his head must be spinning now, as he’s had to change his policy 180 degrees with each passing day yet again (ie, AIG bailout, etc).
So on the lighthearted side… (except of course, I have a feeling she wasn’t joking):
Sarah Palin now seems to think she’s running for President.
From ABC News:
September 18, 2008 4:16 PM
Uh-oh.
Gov. Sarah Palin is now talking about “a Palin and McCain administration.”
I’ve also heard her refer to McCain as “my running mate” – a term I don’t recall ever hearing a VP nominee use when discussing the guy at the top of the ticket.
Maybe the fact that the crowds are leaving after she speaks while McCain is speaking, is getting to her.
“A WHAT Administration? A WHO Administration?” (Story & Video)
blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch … inist.html
“For second time this week, crowds leave after Palin speaks”
politico.com/blogs/jonathanm … peaks.html
No…
The Bible tells me not to kill or sentence justice on any individual becuase that is HIS job.
My job is to forgive and forgive and forgive and be an example of what Jesus stood for. It really effects people when they are aquited by the offended person.
My job isn’t to kill people…its to let God deal justice to them for me.
A113: The fact that you do not support the death penalty has made my respect for you soar immensely. We may have opposite political views, but you’re consistant, and that means a lot.
As for whoever mentioned gay marriage, I understand why you feel that way, but here’s something to think about: Straight couples have about a 65% divorce rate. Only about 20% of gay couples who have been together for a significant amount of time end up splitting. Gay people are obviously doing something right.
Joe: Sarah Palin should be the one running, though. McCain is clueless.
Al: Bible w00t
SC17: Why, thank you! By the way, did you know that homosexuals live on average 20 years less than regular people? 