Things I didn't get/that didn't seem to work *SPOILER ALERT*

Mmmkay, some things have been bugging me lately and I have the urge to point it out.

1- When Remy gets mad at Linguini and drops that bottle, it shouldn’t have broken unless it really is that fragile.

2- Why did all the people walk out when Linguini revealed the truth? Is it because they were offended? Let down? I really just didn’t get it.

3- The part where Skinner barges in and sees the rats- wouldn’t he have tried to escape through the doors from which he came? Unless he really is that stupid and let the rats tie him up … :stuck_out_tongue:

Yes, these are minor things and I know, it’s just a movie- in a cartoon world anything can happen, yada yada yada … but they’ve been bugging me. And I know there were some more questions I was asking myself when I watched it recently but I forget what they were. :stuck_out_tongue:

FONY-

  1. I don’t remember a bottle breaking. I really need to see the film again sometime soon- it’s been way too long since I last saw it. :laughing:

  2. I guess the sort of reaction we’d expect is for them to be disgusted and shouting and screaming at the top of their lungs. Maybe they were completely in awe at first, and then when it settled in they were just disappointed in Linguini- because obviously he had been a fake all along- and also they sort of knew that if anyone else ever found out the truth, they’d be out of a job anyway. Something like that happening can destroy a profession, and since they were all very proud to be chefs in such a prestige kitchen, maybe they felt that there was no use kicking and screaming about it- the damage was done.

  3. I guess Pixar just didn’t want to pass up on the oppurtunity of seeing Skinner tied up by the hands of rats and thrown into a cupboard. :laughing:

Good post idea, FONY.

  1. Hmm. I never thought about it. I guess if you want to justify it, I could tell you that cobblestone streets in old European towns are quite rough and jagged. :laughing:
  2. I also wondered about that. I took it as they all have a lot of pride and are a) disappointed that Linguini’d been lying to them and b) too accomplished to be working with a loony who thinks a rat can cook, and c) too accomplished to be working under the instruction… of a rat? Or maybe a combination of emotions??? I’m not entirely sure on that one. Let’s ask Brad Bird. heh.
  3. I’ve got no idea of #3.

I’d like to pose one: Colette is talking to Linguini while he’s asleep and being controlled by Remy; When he snores and she smacks him, does she realize he’s been asleep, or does she just think he’s acting totally rude? Sorry if it’s obvious, I just never really got it…
sheila

  1. I think that bottle was the one Remy…wow…lifted on his own in the courtyard AFTER Linguini say’s “you take a break little chef, I’m not your puppet” and then goes back inside, and Remy kicks something, then picks up a bottle and throws it.
    I think the bottle was like some kind of beer-like bottle, not a wine one, so it probably had more thickness.

  2. Personally I think they thought he was crazy. I mean Linguini ALWAYS, at least to them, was acting strange in the kitchen. And maybe the whole “rat who cooks” was just the last straw for all of them, probably thinking that a “loopy” cook, who’s got the praise for the resturant, won’t be able to come through, so they all threw in the towel early, probably to remove themselves from Gusteau BEFORE, again, in what THEY think, it was shaunted by Ego’s review of the “loopy chef who believes a rat is the cook”.

  3. Contrary to most…probably is really that stupid heh heh.

I assumed they’d felt, y’know, deceived, and let down and whatnot. And Linguini made fools out of them by tricking them into thinking he was a culinary genius who simply had what appeared to be the worst case of Tourette’s Syndrome in history. They’d accepted him and taken him on as a leader and he was lying the whole time.

Can’t discern much beyond that, though, like what they thought of the actual rat part. They may also have been offended that he thoughtlessly subjected them all to the possibility of Weil’s disease.

And that’s another thing, I don’t understand Linguini’s logic, or lack thereof. Most people would be a little concerned after getting bitten all over their body by an unknown wild animal, but I guess he thinks that being diseased and being a gourmet chef are mutually exclusive. Hantavirus? In MY little chef? It’s more likely than you think!

I think she thought he was being rude, like maybe he was trying to show how INCREDIBLY BORING he thinks she is or something (like how people say “yawn!”). When she slapped him and he woke up she continued talking to him as if he’d been listening the whole time, and if she knew he was asleep she wouldn’t have done that. I think.

Plus she’d probably be a little freaked out if he’d been cooking or whatever in his sleep.

Also, Linguini is a trooper for running after Colette and speaking coherently when after a whole bottle of red wine he should have been weeping on the floor and wishing for the sweet release of death.

1.) I was thinking this the last time I watched it :stuck_out_tongue: It doesn’t make much sense to me, either. That bottle would’ve had to be dropped from a higher distance in order to actually break, or it just might’ve been that fragile, which I highly doubt. Haha.

2.) I was always under the impression that they felt a bit let down. I’d be somewhat like that if someone JUST let me know that a rat was helping him to cook that whole time, too. I don’t think i’d walk out, but i’d definately be kind of angry that he didn’t let us know earlier.

3.) Hah, I never thought about that. I guess it’s just one of those things in movies that they need to put in to make it more exciting. It wouldn’t be all that exciting if he would’ve escaped easily :wink:

Here’s one for you: Why were Colette/Remy/Linguini et al allowed to open another restaurant post-Gusteau’s, and why did it get so popular? Were people like “Hey, a new restaurant run by the same people who got the old one closed for being infested with vermin, let’s go there!”?

Yeahh, that’s basically what I thought, just wasn’t really sure. Your idea about “how in credible BORING he thinks she is” seems about right.
And, HAHAHA you’re so right about the weeping and wishing for the sweet release of death. For a first time drinker, he wasn’t that hungover! Kageri, your posts always have me on the floor laughing. Well, more like chuckling and being very amused, but you get my internet language. You should write fanfiction! (Or read mine… :wink: here)
OH! and Tourette’s syndrome!!! HAHAHAHHAA oh my goodness, I never thought of that. Yeah, all the cooks probably think Linguini’s got that really bad… Poor guy. haha.
sheila

D’awwww shucks. I try.

Yeah, considering red wine is notoriously bad in the hangover department and some people start getting migraines while they’re still drinking it, he got off easy.

And especially considering his not being a drinker and a total lightweight and a weenie and so on. I think if that scene hadn’t been set in Skinner’s office he would have started falling over and telling fake indoor potted trees how pretty they are.

Also, this has very little to do with this topic, but I was enlightened upon watching the movie with English subtitles and caught many things I did not understand before. Colette needs to enunciate.

Also also, I suppose the other chefs thought it would be job discrimination to fire Linguini just because he can’t control THE VOLUME OF HIS VOICE AAAUUUGHH!!!, which may have contributed to how betrayed they felt when he was all J/K IT’S REALLY THE RAT COOKING, YOU GUYS GOT PUNK’D

This is an interesting post subject, enjoy reading all the replies so far, its always interesting to see others’ viewpoints. :slight_smile:

SPOILERS AHOY!

  1. This is where I’m in agreement with the TS. In the scene I think Remy kicks the bottle (or the can, can’t remember), then lifts the bottle in a feat of superhuman (or superrat) strength, then drops it, where it breaks into pieces. I think its inconceivable for a bottle to break from that kind of height, unless its thrown with considerable force, and its pretty clear Remy just plain dropped it.

  2. I would go with the “major letdown” POV. I mean, it would be a big disappointment if the new head chef, whom you looked up to and regard as the leader of the kitchen and as the truly worthy successor to Gusteau, suddenly admits that HE isn’t doing the cooking at all but a tiny rat?!? It would sound ridiculously absurd and I would think he was absolutely bonkers. If I were in their shoes I would also be like “WTF???!?” :open_mouth: I also think that when they saw Horst, the sous chef (and their 2nd in command), quitting, they all decided to throw in the towel too and quit en masse. None of them would probably trust a person who trusted of all things, a rat.

  3. Well you saw how those rats ran after the health inspector right? If they can tie him up even though he tried to escape in his car, Skinner should be easy meat for them lol. :laughing:

I think she was totally unaware that Linguini was asleep all the time…she was just talking to him normally and when he didn’t respond after she greeted him twice “Good morning”, maybe she thought he was just deliberately ignoring her. When he snores, unfortunately Remy also turned his face to look at her at that time, so it did appear quite rude (though hilarious also), and the outcome was quite painful…poor Linguini lol. :laughing: But yeah, agree with kageri that Linguini still sounded surprisingly sober in that scene when talking to Colette after she slapped him, even after drinking an entire bottle of wine the night before.

And good point kageri about the part of Remy biting Linguini too…dang…that guy didn’t even get worried about getting diseases from all those bites? LOL. I know Remy is quite clean from the way he behaves and acts apart from the other rats, but he’s still a rat for Pete’s sakes. In the freezer room scene Linguini seems like he’s freaking out over the appearance of bite marks on his body more than fretting over whether he contracted some deadly disease.

lol at the last sentence!!! :laughing:

But yeah agree on the red wine hangover part, I’m not a really good drinker myself and would prolly get a bad migraine after maybe only half a bottle of red wine.

Yah I did have trouble interpreting Colette’s sentences sometimes, her accent was pretty thick and it was quite hard to make out what she said. 1st time I watched the movie, half of the time when she spoke I had no idea what she was saying lol.

Edited for language. I also combined both of your posts. – Mitch

Hey, bite marks are unsightly. Linguini isn’t gonna let expiring from leptospirosis stop him from looking FABULOUS.

  1. Well, yeah, maybe it was a really fragile bottle. It was dropped onto a hard, uneven surface about 5 inches from the ground, so it seems plausible that it would break.

  2. Because they were either embarrassed that it was really a rat that brought the kitchen up from where it was before, or they just plain didn’t believe him. The latter seems more likely - which would explain why Colette just wanted to slap him again because Linguini was still making up silly stories. And Colette is also genuinly surprised to see all the rats in the kitchen cooking…

  3. Heheh. I can’t actually remember which way Skinner ran - does it even show it? But maybe it’s better to have a little bit of suspension of disbelief to be rewarded with seeing Skinner tied up and thrown into the pantry. :wink:

OK, so let’s say Remy is 18cm tall (given the height range of 12cm to 25cm (for a big Norway Rat like Emile) and correspondingly his arms go about 3 cm above his head, giving the bottle a dropped height of 21cm. As far as the mass, it looks too big to be a french demi (250ml) so I figure it’s around 350ml (Biere du Demon is 330ml, Fischer Tradition is 355ml). I’ll estimate that around 200g. Now given these figures, the potential energy (and correspondingly the kinetic energy at the bottom of its travel)=(.2kg)(9.8m/s²)(.21m)=.4116 N, not a whole lot of force. That said, glass needs a strain and a flaw to break, if the bottle had a flaw (invisible) that had a high ratio of depth over the radius at the root of the flaw, such as a star crack,which is likely after the bottle was discarded on the Roubaix style pavé, we have a high stress area. So, if we have an existing flaw in the glass, and it’s very thin glass (thermally strong, physically weak) and it falls on a surface with many stress riser points (the perfect cobblestone) then it might not be entirely impossible for it to break, though local fracturing is much more likely than the full rupture seen in the movie.

I personally thought it was a fun visual, and worked well in the movie.

I need to stop multitasking when I’m doing physics homework . :open_mouth:

Heheh. I just love how you worked out the physics of it. :stuck_out_tongue:

Also, if they bottle was left outside in the sun then it could have made it brittle. I don’t know. Nevertheless, it was a good visual clue to demonstrate Remy’s frustration - I don’t think it would have come across quite as well if the bottle didn’t break…

I always wondered why Remy’s book was so dry after running through the sewers…

That bothered me too, but the last time I watched it, I noticed that they did put some water damage on the pages (some staining, crinkling). I assumed it had time to dry.

Yeah, but you’d think that the pages would’ve gotten so messed up in the water before it dried that you wouldn’t have even been able to read it. The colours would’ve run too much… but I don’t know. It is a movie, after all :wink:

I wondered about that too. But maybe the book is waterproof or something, at least a little bit- it is a cookbook, maybe whoever published it figured it would probably recieve damage if being with a cook in a kitchen, so it’s probably specially made to withstand some water damage. That’s just my assumption.

They really should’ve made more water damage though- it didn’t look bothered at all.

I agree that waterproof cook books seems to be the way to go. And since the book itself was from a famous cook who believed ANYONE can cook, the book may be subjected to beginners who might…well…“miss” and hit the book.

Other than that, a while went by with Remy waiting. It might not have been a long time, but certainly an hour or so, so the book could have just been dried. And if I recall, the pages did stick slightly. And I think Remy was looking through the book perhaps to see if there WAS any damage, which is why he was flipping without looking too hard.

Wow. I wish I’d run into this thread sooner…! :smiley:


Interesting questions. I pretty much agree with a majority of the above members’ answers to the interrogatives, but I’ll put in my two cent’s worth anyway…

1) Why the Breaking Bottle? - I always figured that bottle broke due to two reasons, these being: a) It adds a sense of emphasis to the current situation, and b) Remy was extremely angered at the time, sooo…voila’. Bad things happen when you get mad. Other than that, nubetre has me beat. :stuck_out_tongue:

2) Running Off Without a Motive? - Oh, there was a motive alright. For one thing, I’d probably be rather surprised myself if I was in that type of a situation. After spending months and months with this seemingly noodle-legged garbage boy, you’d think that you’d learn to know everything about him at some point. But, nooo! All of a sudden he pulls this rat out of his hat, literally…

Strictly speaking, however, I believe that the chefs just “refused to accept the fact that a rat could cook”, as has been quoted elsewhere (in a Ratatouille-licked book, if memory serves me correctly). T’was ludicrous enough already, what with Linguini’s unwarranted behavoir and all, but obviously a good majority of the chefs present couldn’t piece two and two together in that particular situation. I believe that Brad Bird (or either a Pixar employee or someone on this forum board) mentioned that Colette was truely the only other cook in the kitchen who really did believe in Gusteau’s motto, “Anyone can cook”, which is why she returned to assist Remy and Linguini in their seemingly foolish antics.

In a nutshell, the idea of a rat concocting gourmet delicacies was, perhaps, too much for some of the kitchen personnel to take in/handle.

3) Skinner in ze Ropes - Yeah, this was added purely for laughs and to keep Skinner out of the way so that the audience wouldn’t be distracted by anything else while the main story (Remy’s story) continued. Plus, it was hilarious. I’ve witnessed maybe only one time (out of the twenty-six times I saw Ratatouille in theaters) in which the audience didn’t clap during that sequence.

4) What was that Slap for? - There was no way Colette would have behaved the way she did unless she didn’t think that Linguini was completely out of it. As others have said, Colette continued to express her feelings toward the hapless garbage boy even after the latter dude woke up from that very abrupt slap. I often wonder whether or not Linguini ever told her that he was asleep the whole time…

5) Round Two? - Although Gusteau’s restaurant was shut down due to a “rattie overflow”…and though it is ultimately the responsibility of the superior entity/entities of the facility to evict and manage the rodential “income”, it wasn’t really Colette and/or Linguini’s fault that a rat infestatioin took place in the cafe, causing it to close its doors completely. Well, actually, it was their fault, but that’s not the point…! :stuck_out_tongue:

Hmmm. You know what, there is a loophole here! I suppose that they – they being Remy, Colette, and Linguini – simply waited until the heat blew over before setting up a fairly inconspicuous, yet profitable, bistro in an area some ways away from Gusteau’s. Plus, Anton Ego certainly put in a good word about Remy’s fine cooking, so the optimistic review must have spread. People who read the review may have also assumed that it was Linguini, not Remy, who transported Ego back to his childhood that fateful night, so when he and Colette constructed some new “cooking quarters” people probably flocked to the place for a sample of whatever made Anton Ego’s taste buds quiver. The food at La Ratatouille eventually become a modern day Pancake House and…voila’!

6) Wet Book a’ la Carte? - This kinda ticked me off, as well. I just took it for granted and naturally assumed that Remy had sat on his butt for days in that sewer, though why he would do anything as stupid as that is beyond me. (I remember that I was thinkin’, “Oh, for the love of Pete, Remy. Have you resorted to this? Go up and get out of there, for crying out loud!”) Anyway, getting back onto the subject of the book, I really have no idea how the pages could have been that intact, although the thing did stay afloat for a good duration of the river raft ride down the sewer. I suppose it didn’t get extremely soaked, thank goodness. I do like the idea of it being waterproof, though, even though I’ve never heard of such a thing as far as those types of hard-bound covers are concerned. (snigger)

So yeah. Nice observation, guys! :smiley:

Oh…and, kageri, you’re one of the most hilarious persons on the planet, dude. :stuck_out_tongue:

– Mitch