United States presidential election, 2012

I don’t take Republican or Democratic sides, I wait until the final two candidates have been chosen and decide who I want from there by paying close attention to each of them leading up to the election. Where I live, it’s basically a Republican area, but, again, I don’t consider myself a Republican or Democrat.

That being said, I have to admit that Gary E. Johnson doesn’t seem like such a bad choice to me either.

Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal: 2012! :smiley:

If one isn’t capable of raising a child, then one shouldn’t be sleeping with someone, now should they? People need to take responsibility for their own actions.

But what’s the difference between a baby in it’s 9th month and a baby in its 2nd? At the 18th day of pregnancy, the heart has already formed and at the 40th day there are measurable brain waves. No life? Illogical.

True that. If you know that sleeping around carries the risk of possible pregnancy or even worse an STD, it’s your own fault that it all happened. The baby did absolutely nothing to be deprived of the right to see the light of day.

Life begins at conception. Plain and simple.

You act as if sex is some nasty vile thing unless it’s sole purpose is for creating a child Instead of teaching just abstinence nonsense they need to teach about protection as well.

BS. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus
The difference between a 9 month and a 2 month old fetus is viability as well as much less development. It’s no more then 2 inches long at 2 months.

Accidents happen. People don’t just sleep together to make babies.

And what about rape victims? :stuck_out_tongue:

Sure there’s life, I won’t deny that. I’m just saying the earlier the better. You have to be stupid to wait until the last minute to decide you want an abortion.

People sleep together because they don’t know how to control themselves. You don’t just go, “Oh no, I accidentally had sex with that guy. My bad.” They make the choice.

And rape accounts for less than 1% of all abortions. Real rape, anyways. Plenty of girls use that as an excuse to have an abortion.

People sleep together because it is the natural result of love. That, or alcohol.

Exactly what Fett101 said.

And not every ‘devout Christian’ waits until their wedding night either. :stuck_out_tongue:

JesusFreak, you don’t seem to realize that there’s a difference between your own personal beliefs and what you think others should do. Our class discussed that difference in college.
I personally, would probably keep the kid, since I look forward to becoming a mother. But I support abortion because people should have the right to do what they want to do. It’s not like guilt doesn’t come with it. Just let people live their lives, that’s all.

Palin’s little bout on the theory of ‘the girl raped and impregnated by her father’ really got to me. She said she would try to convince the girl to keep the kid! What an idiot, seriously!?! It’s like ‘I know you try to put it out in your head that this rape never happened, but HEY, here’s living proof!!’

On a side note, not every baby born will be born to become a follower of God. At least, mine won’t. :stuck_out_tongue: They’ll be well looked after by my own Goddess, spiritually. :wink:

Would you support the abortion of a child being born into a family of Satanists? :stuck_out_tongue:

Those against abortion seem to just want the potential numbers to rise …

Hate to bring religion into the subject but that is what it always comes down to, it seems.

All of this talk is the result of liberals in Congress running the public schools. Children’s minds are polluted from the start, and they are lead to believe that all of it is the truth.

Obama plans to allow sex education to be taught in grades as early as grade K. How sick is that?! And you wonder why so many girls are getting pregnant at young ages! Hmm gee figure that one out! Kids don’t need to be exposed to that stuff at such a young and impressionable age.

And you know what? I really don’t care if an “unwanted” child is being born into a non-Christian home. I don’t care at all. At least that child’s life was spared so he can grow up and decide how he wants to spend his own life.

Born or unborn, each and every child and fetus has a purpose on this earth - no matter how insignificant it may seem to those around them. And you know what FONY, I also want to be a mother, too. I want a baby really badly. I would do anything to have my own child right now, even though I am only 16. But I respect myself and I respect other guys my age and I don’t want them to have to deal with the long-term aspect of things; not just a “whoopsie” pregnancy.

It’s all about selflessness and respect. If you really love someone, you’ll respect them enough to save both of yourselves.

Another trademark of liberals…? They think they know better than everyone else. Hmm, I already knew that some Christians don’t wait it out… I’m not that dumb!!! :imp:

If someone doesn’t stop talking about abortion I’m going to send them a video of me wailing in my room until my stomach hurts because I can’t stop thinking of those innocent babies being killed off like bugs smacking a windshield. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

When it comes to abortion, I can’t help but think we’re all going to die anyway. But I guess I’ve been reading too many World War One novels, since most of them come to the conclusion that life is pointless and that humans are horrible little things anyway. Though this is all waaay off topic. :laughing:

Well, I don’t approve of that because I realize that certain subjects affected me most as a child.

People play God all the time. If it is their child, and they don’t want it in their life, they should be allowed to get rid of it one way or another. If abortion is made illegal, people will only result to harmful ways to abort the baby by themselves (coathanger, anyone?) or commit suicide.

Personally, I’m not sexually active, but if I was and had a child, I could care less if the father would want to be a part of it’s life. I guess I’m just independent like that. I know two parents are vital to the stable life of a child, but … marriage because someone got pregnant often leads to divorce and/or hatred, so why bother?

And since when is there always true love and respect when it comes to teenage romance? Looking back at high school, a lot of kids were immature and didn’t seem to understand at all what love is. It’s not at all like they portray it in films.

I didn’t say that you didn’t know that. It’s just that some Christians like to pretend all of their followers are righteous and good and would never do such a thing. No one is perfect, and people get consumed by their emotions.

Then you should also cry for those brought into this world to have a very messed up unstable childhood. Or the ones who were too defected and wish to die but their parent had to go and do ‘the right thing’ by bringing them into this world.

For those against abortion: Death happens, and I know you all want to stop it, but unless you’ve got some huge house where you can house all these orphan children, you really shouldn’t talk. Children need food, a home, treatment, etc, which costs money … and you cannot speak for every situation when it comes to abortion. People have their own personal reasons for having abortions, and it’s best to just stay out of other people’s lives and live your own. You don’t have to agree with what they do, nor do you have to do it yourself, so just leave others to their own decisions.

I don’t understand why people always have to make others’ business their business. Don’t their own lives contain enough stress? Why add to it by worrying about complete strangers who have their reasons for doing what they do? :stuck_out_tongue:

Catholic school is an excellent way to turn someone into a liberal atheist too. I should know.

BS. Obama planned age appropriate sex education, which in Pre-K means teaching kids about bad touching and don’t go near strangers. Any parent who didn’t want their kid to participate nearly need sign a paper to get them out.
factcheck.org/elections-2008 … ex_ed.html

They get pregnant at a young age because they’re taught abstinence and nothing at all about condoms and contraceptives. Kids need to be taught both. washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 01003.html

“All of this talk is the result of liberals in Congress running the public schools.”
And conservatives think they know better then anyone else. If they didn’t, then they wouldn’t be conservatives. At least most liberals have the sense to believe people should be able to make personal decisions themselves instead of forcing their own on them. No one is being forced to have abortions.

Also, the word sex is censored. :laughing:

I’m done talking politics. Leave it to the liberal to have the last word, as always. Have your way…

And I am not Catholic, and I don’t like people calling me “devout”. I’d rather be called “on fire for God”. :smiley: I am non-denominational.

I, for one, like potatoes. Anyone else like potatoes? They are amazing.

Where I’m from, it’s a sin if you don’t like potatoes. XD

Then why are you posting in a thread about politics? And I hope you grow up out of the whole liberal/conservative thing.

Not a fan of baked potatoes but cheesy au gratin are good.

I just happen to be a very strong advocate of my beliefs, that’s all.

I’m not a baby.

Don’t start an argument and just back out like that. It looks as if you just want to rile people up, and when they go and point out that you’re wrong, you either realize you are and refuse to say it aloud due to pride, or you just don’t know how to argue that you are right- in your head, you just think that you are.

I see people do this on the internet all the time, and it’s getting stupid.

And, by you saying you’re a strong advocate of your beliefs - it looks as if you just want to believe in what you say you do even though it’s wrong. And I’m talking politics-wise.

This is what you get when you take a number of people, who are firm in their beliefs, sit them down together and have them discuss a controversial topic. It only creates discord and anger, and that certainly doesn’t produce anything good, right? I’m talking to myself here as well, but it would be great if we all stopped pointing fingers and started discussing the topic at hand…Better yet, let’s discuss the 2012 elections in…mid 2011. :wink:

If people can’t talk through their differences, then what should they do? Fight it out? It is possible to discuss controversial topics, you just need to keep level-headed, don’t generalise (unless you have actual data and statistics), and back up your claims. It really isn’t that hard.

I love all potatoes. It’s my fav vegetable, aside from the tomato.

You can still love someone and respect them and have a sexual relationship with them. In fact, it goes on all the time, and I would think that they would both go hand-in-hand with each other. It’s just a natural part of life.

You’re still free to continue talking.

That’s fine, but please provide references for your statements when you can.

Source? It’s hard to find proper statistics because a lot of rape victims don’t come forward or admit to being raped. And no matter how low the statistic is, you’re avoiding answering the question of whether or not the female who has been raped should have the choice of whether to continue the pregnancy. What about for a 12 year old? What about a non-rape pregnancy that, if continued, would give the mother a high risk of death? It’s these kinds of questions that make “pro-lifers” uncomfortable because they have to think about the issue from a different angle. Or maybe they don’t even bother.