Which are real bad guys?

Wich bad guys do you think are real from any pixar movie and wich do you think are not?

share all your thoughts on pixar bad guys here :smiley:

for now these are the bad guys i think are really bad:

  1. Sydrom

  2. Hopper

  3. Zurg

Ego dude was he evil? idk its been years since i last saw that movie… the dentist from finding nemo lol

Ego is not evil he was just doing his job
and the dentist from finding nemo was not evil too
every dentist i know has a fish tank full of fish its just what you find when you go to a doctors office

If there is anyone who came close, I think it would be Syndrome. He killed real heroes so he could ā€œbecomeā€ one. Killing someone, in my opinion, is just cruel. ANd look at how many he killed.

my dentist has them painted on the wall lol he doesnt have a fish tank. also he stole nemo from the ocean. id at least buy one from a petstore where they are bred to be in tanks

But it doesn’t nessecarily means he is evil.

The dentist thought he was saving an injured fish who would have otherwise died in the ocean. (I doubt the dentist is aware of the strong family structure of sea animals in the Finding Nemoverse either.)

and he [the dentist] is not trying to be evil

Ah…the thought of a nice discussion of Pixar villians makes me happy.

Toy Story’s Sid, I believe, is the most basic of all the Pixar villains. What inspires him to be so evil to the toys, and why is he so morbid? Pixar needed an outside character to scare the toys, but I really think its Woody and Buzz’s initial animosity toward each other that is the real villain.

A Bug’s Life’s Hopper is the villain of all villains. A friend of mine once called Hopper a Hitler of some sort. He doesn’t just want to scare the ants, he also genuinely wants them to believe that they are inferior, and make them slaves to him. Now anybody who wants to be a slave and not able to control their own life!

I think Toy Story 2’s Al and Ratatouille’s Skinner are both driven by the same thing. They’ve both driven by greed and the longing for monetary wealth ā€œIt’s like printing my own money!ā€ Al doesn’t see the sentimentality that Andy has toward the toys. Skinner only sees Gusteau’s death as an opportunity to bank in his fame and celebrate mediocrity instead of excellence. Ego is not a villain, which is why I think the storytelling there is excellent in making you think that he is.

I haven’t thought much about Monsters Inc’s Randall. I always saw his motives to just be better than Sulley. Randall’s in it for the fame and recognition, but I think Sulley and Mike are in it because they just love scaring kids!

Finding Nemo and Cars don’t have traditional villains. For Finding Nemo, it’s the fear of the unknown that drives Marlin, Dory, Nemo, and their tank gang to their actions. The dentist never once knows of Nemo’s story, so he’s not really evil, just ignorant. What I love so much is how much Pixar used traditional Greek mythology techniques to tell their story! And in Cars, although The King and Chick Hicks are Lightning McQueen’s initial motives to his actions, Lightning McQueen really forces the greed upon himself.

And I’d have to agree wtih TSS, the fact that The Incredibles’ Syndrome would kill other superheroes just so he could become one is the lowest of the low. It ranks among Hopper as a huge villain who’d rather suppress others just to make himself look great to others. I just love how Syndrome is so evil that he can bring Mr. Incredible to a new low by falsely causing him to believe Mr. Incredible can really revert to the Glory Days, even though it’s just a plan to get Syndrome to show off how ā€œgreatā€ Syndrome is.

WALL-E’s BuyNLarge is what I believe is the most unique of all their villains. Auto is merely following his ā€œdirective,ā€ so he’s not a villain. By encouraging everyone to consume and consume some more, Buy N Large successfully used their tactics to make humans forget what living life is really like to the point they don’t even know what they’re missing. It’s Buy N Large that facilitated earth’s downfall, a symbol of mindless wasting.

I love how Pixar rarely has conventional villains. It’s just so ā€˜Pixar’ to have a story without some main, evil antagonist.

I think Sid is pretty evil, as Pixar villains go. He’s a real villain but at the same time, he is just a messed up kid, yet in the eyes of Woody and Buzz, he’s a villain- after all, he tried to kill both of them as some point or another.

Hopper is pretty villainous as well, and I would consider him to be the worst Pixar villain. He, as TheIncredible said, really wants the ants to feel inferior, and this makes him especially evil.

Syndrome is a bit different to the others…Clearly, he’s a villain, but we get to see WHY he became the person he is. This makes him a really 3D villain, but still, his actions are pretty inexcusable.

Generally, I have to agree with what TheIncredible has said, with the addition of Waternoose as a villain; a pretty unique villain at that, because we don’t even get to see that he is a villain until nearly the end of the film.

The dentist, P.Sherman, wasn’t really intending to hurt anyone. He thought he saved Nemo’s life. But shouldn’t he be aware of his niece’s problem?

As for Sid, he is a villain from the toys’ point of view. But he didn’t know he was hurting anyone. He had no idea that the toys were alive and had feelings. He was basically making weird voodoo-like creations. I think Sid felt that had nothing else to do, so he just made things out of toy parts. But then again, he may also be a bully to real people. Maybe he stole some toys from people. XD

Syndrome (Buddy) might have been a good guy if Mr. incredible gave him a chance when he was a kid. He just wanted to get revenge on someone who put him down. However, he went too far. Killing off people who have done nothing to him is pretty evil.

Randall was following Waternoose’s orders. However, you can see that he also wanted to do it. He wanted to ā€œrevelutionize the scare industryā€ so that Sully would work for him. He didn’t mention the other monsters that would work for him also. He only said ā€œJames P. Sullivanā€, as if that was something in it for him.

Chick Hicks isn’t strongly evil. Just self-centered and jealous.

Ego was just picky because probably something he felt was missing from his life.

Auto was just strictly following his directive. He had no mind of his own, and lacked feelings that Wall-E and Eve had.

That’s my opinion.

Here’s my antagonist classification:
Villain- Truly evil.
Bad Guy- An antagonist that’s not completely evil for different reasons.
Misunderstood- Thought to be a villain, but not.

Toy Story:
Sid Phillips
Bad Guy
He’s a bad guy… to the toys, to everyone else, he’s just a bratty kid who doesn’t take care of his toys.
Scud
Bad Guy
He’s a crazy dog!

A Bug’s Life:
Hopper
Villain
He’s pure evil, and manipulative. He just wants to put people down so he doesn’t have to do any work.
The Bird
Misunderstood
It just wants to eat.
Grasshopper Gang
Bad Guys
They’re just following orders, and being scared into doing it.
PT Flea
Misunderstood
He’s just greedy.
Thumper
Bad Guy
He’s a mindless character, but he’s still bad.

Toy Story 2:
Al McWhighin
Bad Guy
He’s just a greedy guy, but from the toys perspective he’s much more villainous. He doesn’t know toys have feelings too.
Zurg
Bad Guy/Villain
I think he’s just a big joke. In the opening he’s a true villain, but in the rest of the movie, he’s just a gag.
Stinky Pete the Prospector
Bad Guy/Villain
His intentions are villainous, but he was made that way because he was never played with, in fact he’s in mint condition.

Monsters, Inc.
Randall Boggs
Bad Guy
He’s not PURE evil, but he gets close during the end. I think he’s just greedy and wnats recognition so he goes way too far to get it.
Mr. Waternoose
Bad Guy
He’s just trying to save the company and the city, but again, he goes way too far.
Fungus
Bad Guy
Typical evil henchman. :stuck_out_tongue:

Finding Nemo
Darla
Bad Girl
She’s just a bratty kid, but in the story, she’s a threat.
P. Sherman
Misunderstood
He was just trying to save Nemo.
Bruce
Misunderstood
A shark’s gotta eat!
The Anglerfish
Bad Guy
It’s an obstacle, but I’m sure he doesn’t have villainous intentions.

The Incredibles
Bomb Voyage
Villain
We don’t get to see much of him, but from that scene that he is in, we can tell he’s villainous.
Syndrome
Villain/Bad Guy
This one’s hard to classify. He was made into a villain, but taht gives no excuse to kill just becasue he wnats to be super. So it’s hard.
The Underminer
Villain
C’mon, it’s obvious, he’s a supervillain!!
Omnidroid
Bad Guy/Misunderstood
It’s a learning machine, but it can be controlled to some extent, then again it [em]is[/em] a machine.

Cars
Chick Hicks
Bad Guy
He really, REALLY wnats to win the Piston Cup, but like many other Pixar villains, he goes too far to get it. But it’s just greed, not pure evil.

Ratatouille
Skinner
Villain/Bad Guy
He’s pretty clearly evil, trying to bring people down for his own pleasure. But then again he isn;t hurting anybody (physically that is) so it’s hard to tell.
Mabel
Bad Girl
She’s just a crazy old lady!!
Anton Ego
Misunderstood
Although he looks evil and isn’t the nicest person, he just went through troubled times and in the end he sees the errors of his ways which no pure evil person could do. And a critic has to be tough, it’s his job.
Django
Misunderstood
Sometimes he comes off as bad since he’s an obstacle, but he just wants what he thinks is best for Remy.

WALL-E


AUTO
Bad Guy
He IS bad, but it’s not his fault, it’s his directive.
GO-4
Bad Guy
He’s just a goon who couldn’t break free from his programming.
BuynLarge/Shelby Forthright
Misunderstood/Bad Guy
It did seem like an evil corporation, but they were just trying to make life easier, and again, went to far. So it depends how much of it was an accident for BnL to be classified.

So that’s it, tell me what you think. :slight_smile:

wow :smiley:
it looks like you took a lot of time on that
and i agree on everything you said
great job Martini833 and TheIncredible

:smiley:

martini: I can understand why you are having a hard time puting him either as a villain or a bad guy. But even though he was rejected by his hero, which tore him from the inside, he still killed a lot of famous Supers and created a deadly robot that even he couldn’t stop. I think that is pretty low to go if you asked me. I say he is maybe 95% evil and 5% badguy. (maybe 5% misunderstoos)

You know, I have to say that it always seemed as though Mr. Incredible’s rejection of Buddy at the beginning of the film was more the thing that pushed him over the edge, rather than being the single cause of Buddy’s descent into villainy.

From what we see of Buddy as a child, his parents clearly have plenty of money but no time for him. He’s very, very intelligent yet also really alone. He therefore ends up idolizing Mr. Incredible, and due to the other factors of Buddy’s childhood, this makes the rejection all the more painful.

It’s not as if Buddy is like any other fan that might be disappointed by the reaction of their hero- I wouldn’t be surprised if Mr. Incredible had met dozens of others fans and had reacted in a similar way to them (though perhaps not to such an extent). The thing that separates Buddy from all of these other fans is his home situation. He’s been rejected by his parents, and now by the one person he admires the most, the one person who he would expect not to reject him? What else is there to do aside from turning evil and making people pay attention to him?

Of course, what he did was very, very wrong. But it’s not as though he was born a ā€˜bad apple’. It’s just that with the combination of his high intelligence (causing him to overthink everything), and the money he gets from his parents instead of love, he eventually turns into something that perhaps can be considered evil and villainous.

martini, I would flip-flop your choices for the the villains in WALL-E. I think BuyNLarge is really to blame, they make it very clear from the beginning. I would also call Auto and GO-4 just misunderstood.

Lizardgirl, that’s probably the best description of Syndrome I’ve ever read. His character has so much depth!

I will maintain that Wall-E has no villain at all. But that’s all I’ll say for now as I intend to either write an extensive editorial on it or bring it up on Radio Pixar in the future. =)

thats a good idea and i also don’t think there is any bad guys in Finding Nemo and Cars
and i also think that andrew stanton and jhon lasseter don’t like to put bad guys in their movies

TheIncredible- Thanks! And that’s exactly what makes Buddy a credible and interesting villain- we understand what his motives are.

Pixart- I agree, they both seem to have a tendency towards films with perhaps a minor antagonist or something, but no real villains. That’s what great about Pixar- they’ve realised that you don’t have to have two sides fighting against each other to make a good story.

Hopper…all the way.

Syndrome is only a mimick of what a bad guy is.
and Zurg is ultimately Buzz’s dad so their is no way he keeps his evil ways (reminds me of Star Wars)

Hopper is just all pure evil not even being effected by pleads of desperation. All he wants is to lead a big BIG bad gang.