Why all this Cars 2 hate?

Always nice to see. :slight_smile:

I think its just the fact that Mater gets alot of screentime in this movie. I mean, we see all of these colorful racers that McQueen is racing with and they only get very little screentime. I think they as well as McQueen and Francesco should of been in the movie a little bit longer. I’m not saying the whole movie has to be McQueen racing, its just that if the movie had a little more racing to it, the movie could of been a little bit better.

Thank you! I was originally going to have Francesco but I couldn’t find an interesting enough screenshot. :stuck_out_tongue:

And yeah, I also went into the theatre with neutral expectations… and came out with neutral thoughts. :laughing:

It was so bad I had to sign up to this forum on the off chance Pixar employees actually read the things here to express how loathsome I found this work.

I’ve had a positive experience every time I’ve gone to a theater to watch a Pixar film. I didn’t expect to like the original, but didn’t just like it, I loved it. My son’s first big phase for toys was Cars, he had Cars sheets, and played some of the Cars learning games.

This was excrement. It failed on every level. I was insulted by it, and will avoid the script writer at all costs. But Lasseter and the creative team should have known this wasn’t going to work and it is truly their failure. They have many wonderful stories to fall back on though, so I’ll give Pixar another chance.

But if they put out another one like this, I’ll tell everyone I know not to bother with them any more.

As it was I’ve put up reviews of this one on multiple sites saying avoid it, and every single person that answered to those sites agreed with my take. This site is an outlier, as it’s devoted for people who enjoy Pixar films. I’m sure I’ll get some negative reaction from them, but I really felt that Pixar is a great studio and it needs to make sure it isn’t just selling out for an international market with the correct PC message - make good movies. This one wasn’t it.

So you’re going to tell everyone that Pixar sucks for making two bad films… after making 11 wonderful ones?

Personally, I would wait for the bad films to outnumber the good ones before making such an statement.

Also, there’s no need to use words like “excrement”. I’m not defending the movie, it hasn’t been released in my country yet, so I’m not an upset fan, but I think everything deserves certain amount of respect.

Also, there’s no evidence that Pixar employees read this forums, but if they do… Do you think they really need to know our opinions? I would say the critics response is much more useful, as they actually explain why the film is “loathsome”. So joining the forums just for that goal, seems a little negative.

You signed up to a Pixar-appreciating forum for the sole purpose of posting negative comments? OK then.

^ That pretty much explains everything I thought. I appreciate opinions, but really, to sign up for a forum just to say negative things doesn’t make much sense to me. I dunno.

I’m all for oppossing viewpoints, but why would one put the time in to signing up just to be negative?

This is not any form of hate for Cars 2. This is but a summation of what I thought of the film.

I personally liked the first Cars better. The main reason is because it had a character arc that you could follow with the protagonist changing from a selfish race car who only cares about himself to a selfless race car who cares about others and the community he lives in. Another reason was how the world it was portrayed (cars without any humans present) was based in a solid, consistent continuity, which is what Pixar has always showed in their previous films. A thorough analysis shows the level of logic and detail within this film.

Car 2 took all that and tossed it into the wind. The continuity changed drastically with cars that could fly, fire guns of all varieties, shoot missiles, change their appearance with a hologram, et al. (On a minor note, the phrase “everything is voice-activated nowadays” was a running gag that quickly got stale) As for the character arc… what character arc? Mater was Mr. Bean mistaken for James Bond in this whole tongue-in-cheek sociopolitical conspiracy of alternative “fuel vs. fossil fuel” story line. He doesn’t change. Sure, he evaluates his personality during one scene, but he remains the same bumbling runaway character. Almost no likability.

But the most teeth-grinding detail I learned about this film was how the credits said “Directed by John Lasseter, Co-Directed by Brad Lewis.” Wrong. Brad Lewis is the real director of Cars 2. Lasseter came on to the project in the last eight months of its production, added his own touch-ups to it, and took the credit for it. That’s like a artist having his large painting 80% finished and then the musuem curator coming in and saying “Excuse me while I modify your work for you.” It’s intrusive and dishonest collaboration (actually, “collaboration” is too generous of a word), and they just left it alone in the credits. :imp:

Don’t get me wrong. I sort of liked Cars 2, mostly because I was able to spot the many details in the film in my first and only viewing of it to date (The Incredimobiles, Gasteau’s, the popemobile within a popemobile, A113,etc.) I even saw the film in 3D. After a while, though, I almost forgot that I as watching it in 3D. I probably would’ve been better off watching it in 2D, but I’m not gonna be playing the hindsight game over this.

Overall, the film was… okay. This is a fact proven in laboratories under controlled conditions. Yes, the critics are deeming it the worst Pixar film to date, but do yourself a favor: be your own critic and find out what you think about a film instead of letting the critics speak for you.

In a final analysis, though, I would’ve respected Pixar even more if they had the courage to pull the plug on it before releasing it to theaters. Again, I’m playing the hindsight game. Still, I wholly believe that my frustration (read: not hate) with Cars 2 is justified.

Look, I just want to make this clear that I am not going to attack your opinion. Obviously ours disagree, and that’s ok. But the manner that you want to voice it is utterly unacceptable. If you felt that you were dissatisfied with the film, then it’s ok to post a personal review outlining your thoughts. But you’re flat out posting everywhere on this site, spewing words of hatred wherever to go and trying to bring a negative atmosphere with you. I love both Cars films, but you don’t see me posting everywhere to shove my opinion down people’s throats who don’t agree with me. You even admitted that is the only reason you signed up, and it certainly shows, because pretty much all of your posts have been about the same exact thing. What puzzles me is that you are a grown adult, with children, and you obviously have a decent accumulation of mental capital, because some of the points you make are indeed valid and analytical. Yet, at the same time, you choose to express in an extremely immature way that leaves me and other members very uncomfortable. There’s nothing wrong with an opinion, but until you clean up that attitude, I really hope I don’t have to read another one of your posts.

Come on, this movie was better than Toy Story 3…how can anyone hate on something that good?

Lover_Of_Fiction, I hope what you said was complete sarcasm. If not, then there’s no way that you and I saw the same movie and gave it the same objective analysis that I gave it (and should be given to every Pixar film that comes from their studios).

Cars 2 was worse than Toy Story 3 in many elements of story, character, and drama. This is a scientific fact proven in laboratories using double-blind tests to eliminate experimenter bias.

That’s their opinion, which you just stated should be your own and not what others think. Let it be. I can agree with them too because for all it was worked up to be Toy Story 3 was no thrill for me. I’m not saying that it is worse than Cars 2, but let’s not be hypocritical. They have just as much of a right to say that as you do to say things about Cars 2.

To be fair, Lover_of_Fiction did imply that anyone who hated on it was wrong by saying “how can anyone hate on something that good?”

Yes, that is true, it could have been said in a more respectful manner perhaps but he still is entitled to his opinion just as much. I don’t see people attacking Phantom’s thoughts on Cars 2 so we shouldn’t do it to LOF either.

Okay, I understand. Sorry, LoF, for attacking your opinion. You’re most certainly entitled to it, as is everyone else is to theirs.

All I’m asking is, how did you ever reach the conclusion that Cars 2 was better than Toy Story 3? I ask because by coming to such a conclusion, you’ve put yourself in the amazingly tiny minority of Pixar fans. Either you saw something that I missed, or it really wasn’t that great of a Pixar movie.

Do elaborate, please.

Can I just say thank you to you Phantom? Most people don’t handle things as smoothly and politely as you just did. I agree, I would care to hear some reasoning. :slight_smile:

Aye, that was great.

Welcome to Pixar Planet!

It’s refreshing to be on a forum where people solve their disputes with polite words rather than insult wars. :slight_smile:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We can have differences while remaining civil. I’ve enjoyed Pixar films enormously over the years, but this was a serious step back in my opinion, on several levels, and felt a need to express that in a way that

Even after the mostly negative reviews came in we went to see the movie - on spec, as it were. I won’t assume a Pixar movie is quality entertainment for my family from this point on, and certainly won’t be spending any of my money on toys and memorabilia from this particular vehicle.