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Postby Snake&Robot » Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:41 am

YouAreAToy!!! wrote:Man i was really getting excited for newt when i first heard about it im kinda angry that pixar is dishing out sequels rather then new original storys but if it was shelved it was for a good reason. :cry:
Yes, everyone's sad including me :(
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Re: No more "newt?"

Postby ellie-jessie-eve » Wed May 04, 2011 6:06 pm

John Lasseter has confirmed that 'Newt' was cancelled because of Rio.


"“Its story was very similar to a movie that’s out in theaters right now with a blue parrot. Oh my! Wow, we were like … no, there was no … great minds think alike, I guess. It was really pretty similar.” -J Lass

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/ ... ies_to_ri/

I am not disapointed that newt was cancelled, if for this reason. Newt had very beautiful concept art, but I was so impressed with Rio, I don't know how it could of been topped! But then again, it's Pixar. We'll never know! :wink:
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Re: No more "newt?"

Postby YouAreAToy!!! » Wed May 04, 2011 6:27 pm

Wowzers now that i think about it the story on Rio & Newt are almost identical both are the last of their kind very similar!
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Re: No more "newt?"

Postby ellie-jessie-eve » Wed May 04, 2011 6:35 pm

YouAreAToy!!! wrote:Wowzers now that i think about it the story on Rio & Newt are almost identical both are the last of their kind very similar!


Don't forget, Ice Age 2! (which was directed by Rio director Carlos Saldahna)
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Re: No more "newt?"

Postby bryanbmp » Wed May 04, 2011 6:53 pm

this was something everybody knew, however there is an update in the post from The Pixar Blog, in which says that Lasseter was simply commenting on the similarity of elements of the plot', not in any way confirming that as the cause of Newt being shelved. ( it is obvious Pixar doesn't want problems)

like someone commented on another post, which I agree 100 percent: RIO had the potencial that wasn't exploted, that film only focused in the rescue,,,, Newt could have gone to focus on the LAST SPECIES OF THEIR KIND,,,,
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Re: No more "newt?"

Postby thedriveintheatre » Thu May 05, 2011 3:09 am

I am in fact, disappointed that Newt was cancelled, as I have stated many times before. But this is not because I wish that Pixar released Newt instead of Blue Sky releasing Rio.

I am disappointed because Pixar didn't have the guts to release Newt anyway. I would have loved to see how Newt would come up against Rio, and I would've loved both studios to achieve box-office success. If it was indeed a problem with a rival film, why couldn't they have just waited a few months or a year and finish the story anyway? Did they care that their biggest rival, Dreamworks, was making Antz on purpose to compete with them (as documented in 'The Pixar Touch')? No, they went ahead and made A Bug's Life, one of their best and most underrated classics.

Did Sony Animation care that Animal Logic got on the jump on them with a penguin movie? No, they simply released 'Surf's Up' a year later.

Did Dreamworks fret that Pixar got Finding Nemo out the gates first? No. Did Disney worry about Madagascar when they chose to release 'The Wild'? No, although unfortunately 'The Wild' was a box-office stinker. Did Dreamworks lose any sleep when Despicable Me had a similar theme to Megamind? Nope.

In fact, Rio was released only a few months after another similarly-themed 'end of the species' film. Alpha & Omega.

So it surprises me that Pixar would suddenly do a cop-out just because another studio happens to be making a movie with a similar plot. This is very uncharacteristic of Pixar, a studio which I have always admired for its courage and fortitude.

I'm inclined to think the actual reason is that they didn't have much of a plot to go on, and that when they saw how personal the project was to Carlos (the director of Rio), they graciously conceded and shelved the project (I read somewhere that Pixar held a meeting with Carlos and when they found out how much Rio meant to him, it played into their cancellation decision. I can't seem to find the source). Here's what I wrote in the Rio thread in comparing the two movies' plots:

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I actually think Rio's story is better. I may not know the full details of Newt, but here's the official synopsis:

Pixar wrote:What happens when the last remaining male and female blue-footed newts on the planet are forced together by science to save the species, and they can't stand each other? That's the problem facing Newt and Brooke, heroes of "newt," the Pixar film by seven-time Academy Award® winner for sound Gary Rydstrom, and director of Pixar's Oscar-nominated short, "Lifted." Newt and Brooke embark on a perilous, unpredictable adventure and discover that finding a mate never goes as planned, even when you only have one choice. Love, it turns out, is not a science.



Now, from this synopsis, there's an adventure, most likely a road-trip. I'm not entirely sure what's the purpose of the adventure, because as far as I can tell, neither of the newts has an owner and thus have no reason to undertake this trip. Maybe there is a purpose, but it's not explained in this synopsis. Also, they "can't stand each other" either, and there seems to be no reason why Newt or Brooke can't just leave the other and go off on their own.

Rio, on the other hand, also has a 'road-trip' adventure like Newt. Like Bolt, Blu wants to get back to his owner. And they are a couple who "can't stand each other". However, the difference is that they are chained together. This gives them a reason why one party can't just leave the other. They are, pardon the pun, inseparable. This gives an additional motivation to Blu's quest to return to Linda. He now has to find a way to break the chain (which is a very clever metaphor for their bond to each other) linking him and Jewel so that they can go on their own separate ways. Blu back to his "cage with the little bell" and Jewel back to her home in the jungle. This, coupled with the fact that Blu can't fly, makes their journey even tougher and more perilous.

Also, in order to impress Jewel (or at least redeem his character in a way), Blu has to find the courage to do something which he has never done before in his life, yet something which every bird in Rio except him is capable of- to fly. In Newt, there appears to be no 'disability' to Newt, except maybe his social inadequacies and timidness, which is also Blu's character. And, of course, it is a 'fish-out-of-water' story like Finding Nemo, Up, and Newt, and it is a 'survival of the species' story like Ice Age 2, Dinosaur, and Newt.

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Again, I will never know the full details of Pixar's Newt plot, but I really don't see if there is any emotional resonance or high-stakes for the protagonist to work against. Who will be the villain? A rare-newt poacher? An environmental terrorist? If it's an internal conflict, what fear or inadequacy will Newt have to face, beyond his social skills? I struggle to see where's the conflict and challenges that the heroes will face.

It also saddens me that Mr Lasseter took cheap potshots at Blue Sky when he could've been more gentlemanly and admitted that they had story problems, which was the official reason they gave when they announced the cancellation of Newt. If word gets around, I hope it doesn't result in bad blood between the studios, after how Pixar has so graciously let Carlos realize his vision.

I'm sick and tired of bloggers hinting that the underdog studio ripped off the critical darling. There is no evidence that supports that Blue Sky intentionally copied Pixar, and it is more likely this was a divine coincidence.

It is interesting though, having watched Rio, to read Newt and Brooke's character profiles. There's even a 'Rafael'-like Love Guru character in Newt which I would've loved to see. ;)

P.S. By the way Mr Lasseter, Blu's a macaw, not a parrot.
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Re: No more "newt?"

Postby ellie-jessie-eve » Thu May 05, 2011 4:23 am

thedriveintheatre wrote:P.S. By the way Mr Lasseter, Blu's a macaw, not a parrot.


lolz, this comment was icing on the cake. Papagaios e Macaws, same thing right?

I really like your whole post. You really drove home all the animation similarites, I hadn't even noticed how much until they were all lined up together. And I have no problem with them! Like DP and MM for example. That was only like what, 3/4 months apart? And I liked both, they both had their own feel to them.

I also like that Pixar talked to Carlos, I never knew that. One reason I liked the film so much was you can really feel the love and admiration that Carlos directed for his homeland in the movie. It was beautiful.

I agree, I would of liked to see Newt, it's hard to compare when one was in such early stages!
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Re: No more "newt?"

Postby YouAreAToy!!! » Thu May 05, 2011 4:32 pm

Sorry but what are DP & MM short for i do not recognize those two abbreviations. :?
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Re: No more "newt?"

Postby ellie-jessie-eve » Thu May 05, 2011 5:16 pm

YouAreAToy!!! wrote:Sorry but what are DP & MM short for i do not recognize those two abbreviations. :?


LOL, I meant to say DM (Despicable Me!) My bad XD

And MM is Megamind
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Re: No more "newt?"

Postby YouAreAToy!!! » Thu May 05, 2011 5:29 pm

Ah that makes sense now! :lol:
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Re: No more "newt?"

Postby Badger » Tue May 10, 2011 1:13 pm

I find it quite sad that Newt has been cancelled, but I do fear that if it wouldn't have been, it would've unjustly overshadowed Rio...

Perhaps Pixar will try to release it a few years later, or something similar, at least. That's what I think.
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Re: No more "newt?"

Postby ellie-jessie-eve » Tue May 10, 2011 1:51 pm

Usually when movies ar shelved, they don't get back in production.
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Re: No more "newt?"

Postby definedancing » Sun May 15, 2011 10:42 am

To be honest, I'm not fretting about the loss. Did Pixar not start a film called Monkey or something, which got scrapped due to money contrainsts? I know that was back in the day, but you don't hear much discussion on that. You win some, you lose some. :)
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Re: No more "newt?"

Postby ellie-jessie-eve » Mon May 16, 2011 4:34 am

definedancing wrote:To be honest, I'm not fretting about the loss. Did Pixar not start a film called Monkey or something, which got scrapped due to money contrainsts? I know that was back in the day, but you don't hear much discussion on that. You win some, you lose some. :)


Very nicely put!
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Re: No more "newt?"

Postby soue1313 » Wed May 18, 2011 2:29 am

There are so many films like Newt. Princess and the Frog, Alpha and Omega, Rio, for example. Even if Newt was thought of first, it would've come out after all these similar ones. We don't want Pixar to look like a copier. Because of it, Newt would probably bomb, no matter how awesome it would have been. If only it had come out 3 or 4 years ago. While I'm positive Newt would've ended up near the top of my list of Pixar favorites, I think it's for the best.
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