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#61

Now Randall…
Having had a rough past himself, being “Exhiled” (DO NOT saying

“Banished”. Banishment is a legal sentence. There was nothing legal about Randall’s sentence) was just

another thing he could add onto his “I hate my life” list.

As known, Randall is not dead. (For

Sullivan and Wazowski fans, no offense intended, wanted to make that clear, you wouldn’t want the

“heroes” to be murders now?)
Survival skills are also in his possession as he had struggled up the

ladder in a world that precieves him as a minority. Ran’s ability to become invisible may have been tampered by

the…ahem…intrusion of scars from his beating by the shovel women. But for now, lets think of it as a benefit,

at least give that to him.

Randall’s knowledge on the Human World is probably better than others, though

knowing what Canada or Mexico is is probably not something he was taught heh.

Randall will not become a

saint. Who IS? (Saint Partrick? Snake killer, no saint there) He will probably have that anger fuse of his. But

he will rethink his life’s direction. Chosing NOT to get fired by Waternoose led him to the predicament he is in

now.

In terms of being the villain…it is unknown if this is true. A Pixar Policy "No Villains

Allowed" seems to be forgotten with Monsters Inc., with Waternoose as the villain. Easily

seen.
However…Cars did not have a villain. Of course, the green car was over competitive, but not evil

considerably.
And so far Ratouille (forgive word if spelled incorrectly), from previews and summaries, have

shown little evidence to me of a Villain.

If so, there will possibly be no Villain in Monsters Inc.

Now revenge. Randall’s thoughts on this might change either drastically, or to a small

degree.

I’ve been weaving in my head of what the outcome would be. Randall probably WOULD take

revenge. Now, HOW is the question. Revenge does NOT neccesarily mean killing another. Randall’s revenge might

very well be symbolic, with no harm to Sullivan whatsoever physically.

#62

Nearly forgot. The two meeting…

Even though it

is widely said that Randall wanted to hurt Boo…may I say that this is FALSE. Not once did he abuse or shout at

her. Yes, in front of the Scream Extractor she was screaming. But as seen, the Scream Extractor was not

lethal.

How the two would meet would be an interesting concept. Not just because of the two seeing each

other.
One look from Randall to Boo would probably lead him to think along the lines of "this was the

child that started it".
Now his emotions and actions at the time might also be influenced by her

age.

The two meeting might be, surprisingly, heartwarming.
Particuarly, I’ve had the recent. In terms

of recent, I mean right at this moment.
Randall might even hug her, thanking her for ending the events that

unfolded, and those that could have been.

When considering the future, one must understand "what

could have been".
What if Randall had taken Boo back to her room (as stated once, as why would he take

her to a machine that was destoryed)? Would he get arrested by the C.D.A. that Waternoose had brought? Or would

he be covered by Waternoose, and forced to repair the Extractor?

Even though Randall went through heck in

the Human World, would it really be considered worse for what could have been? For Randall, all options led to a

bad end.
Death, Jail, being fired without getting into the Scare Industry again.

If you look at

the past three posts I’ve made, and those by Pitbulllady, and those considering the facts…the future for

Randall and Boo are very complex, leading to many, and exciting, paths.
Faintly…I suppose I can see why Pete

Doctor said they needed a “Killer Idea”…there are so many options, it’s unknown which one is the

best.

#63

Country

artists Montgomery Gentry have a song out now on the charts, the chorus of which sums up my thoughts on whether

or not Randall could at some point become a “good” person, or if he is by default doomed to always be

“the Bad Guy”.

[i][b]Here’s to the strong, thanks to the brave

Don’t give up hope
Some people change.
Against all odds, against the grain
Love finds a way

Some people change[/b][/i]

pitbulllady

#64

I wish I could belive 100% that anyone can/will change (irrelevent to Randall)… but

there are certain people that just have no consience what-so-ever. Sociopaths.

They could (and, if

there’s a way to get away with it, WOULD) murder a feeble old man without batting an eyelash… and for a few

bucks no less!
I’m not saying that everyone with a “checkered” past

is beyond redemption (and trust me when I say I know that more personally then I’ll discuss) but be warey… 1

person out of 25 most likely is!

#65

Okay, let’s just say that’s true.

Why?

Why would there be someone who would kill an old man without batting an eyelid? At the end of

the day, the reason humans do things is because it benefits society. It’s in our nature, as ANIMALS, to help our

own kind. Anyone that would kill an old man, or anyone, without batting an eyelid has psycological problems, and

that’s a different matter.

No-one, in their right mind, and definitely not one in twenty five, just go

around killing people and being mean for the sake of it. There’s always a reason, and if there’s a reason,

there’s a chance for redemption.

#66

Well said, lizardgirl. :wink:

[b]On the subject of a second

Monsters Inc.:[/b]

I refuse to admit that I would like a

Monsters Inc. 2, because I don’t want Pixar to make a

sequel to this wonderful classic of a film.

There are many reasons behind this, some of which I will list

here:

1) Pixar, generally, does not like to produce sequels to their films,

unless it is necessary, if there are gaps in the former film, and/or if they make it good (which they always do).

2) We really don’t need to know everything that happened after Sulley

“revised” the Monsters Inc. company, besides the fact that he had the

chance to revisit Boo again. Besides, do any of us sincerely wish to have revealed to us Sulley’s and Boo’s

future(s)? In my humble opinion, I would prefer to leave the rest up to my imagination – yes, it would be nice

to see Boo again, but then again…I would rather prefer to not know…

3)

For some odd reason, I have this hankering to know what really happened to Randall

after his “execution”, so to speak, even though I am against the proposition for a second

Monsters Inc.. As much as I hate the guy, I must admit that I do kind of feel sorry

for him at the end; however, it would probably be better to not know what lies ahead

for that devious monster. It’s best to leave it up to the audience’s imagination.

Well…there you have

it. Kinda…long, but there you have it. :wink:

#67

It’s true that no one in there right mind

would do it. But it’s a proven fact that at least one person in twenty-five Has. No. Consience.

I know

nobody wants to belive it, but it’s quite true. reserch it for yourself!
Notice I said that this type of

person WOULD do it IF THEY HAD THE CHANCE. The only thing keeping them from murdering a person for their money/

valubles is the fact that consience or not, they can’t always get away with

it.

[url]http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~mcafee/Bin/sb.html[/url] This isn’t my source, but it’s

somthing.

#68

In terms of those mentally unstable, yes, there are several people out there

that can be considered that. However, not everyone that SEEMS unstable is not. It’s all about views in some

ways, and the info you have.

Although I’m going out on a long branch over the grand canyon here, but take

for instance Hitler. Sicotic in terms of what he was doing to the Jews and such to make his perfect little world.

In most German eyes he was considered a hero.

Now to reply to you Mitch.
I honestly respect your

view. Some events are better left alone and untouched. Perferrably a main reason is making something

“fact” in the sequel you think was better left alone.
However, I disagree to an extent.

  1. I

honestly think on to the Toy Story 3 event. Basically, yes, I think it all should have ended in 2. There was

nothing really to work on. Woody was the main character. OK. So we had a Wolverine X-Men thing where in the

sequel he sees who he was.
As far as I know the sequel dealt with Buzz being recalled due to a malfunction,

but I know that idea was scrapped.
But anyway. There were gaps in this film. Most of them seem to have ether

been forgotten or overlooked.

  1. There can be allot said here. Sullivan is NOT a qualified CEO. A year of

being CEO? Not enough. Probably only got the job by introducing Laugh Energy. As much as I dislike Sullivan’s

actions, HOW he deals with being CEO is something I’d like to see.
As I stated before, Boo’s interactions in

the Monster World is something to be taken into account. And with Sullivan’s continued visits, leads to wonder

how their relationship will affect both worlds.

  1. Devious? Well I’ll let that slide.
    Randall’s

probably the connection for the whole sequel. As stated by one of Pixar’s officials, unsure where, "the

plot wouldn’t work without him".

Here’s options to consider about the sequel…

What about

Randall’s family? How would they feel? Did Sullivan or Wazowski take into account of what effect this would have

on them?
A year has past and no evidence supported them coming, even to the Company Play.

What about

Waternoose? Even with a tape, will he be convicted? In terms of law…his trial may actually be around that year.

Will he get away with how much power he has?

How was the Scream Extractor to be accepted if it was

considered against the law?

Once again. Let it soak in heh.

#69

Heheh – you like Randall, huh? :wink:

Mmm…I see. Thank you

for taking my opinions into account – I also tend to favor your views, as well. I think that I will reply to

each of your questions individually:

1) Yes, I agree that there are some

gaps concerning this subject: How did Randall’s family react to his sudden

disappearance? Did Mike and Sulley lie to them and explain that he simply quit his job and left? I highly doubt

that Sulley would do a thing like that; Mike, on the other hand… (heh)
Yeah, I’m not really sure what

became of that backstory, but I’m sure that it wasn’t pretty. :stuck_out_tongue:

2) More

than likely, Waternoose, unless backed up by some reliable sources, has a very slim chance of attaining the

“not guilty” sentence.

3) I have no doubt that the "Scream

Extractor" will either be stowed away…so as it may be accessed later for better, future purposes, or it

will be destroyed. I am leaning towards the latter…

Yeah – there you have it. :stuck_out_tongue:

#70

A friend, yes.

Good terms I see.

1.Yes. If you think about it. Monsters Inc. is just the

factory. What about the whole Monster World. Questions are in Monsters Inc., but doesn’t mean the answers are

there.

2.Well Waternoose will most likely NOT escape the guilty verdict, I agree with you.
However. The

Waternoose name is famous. And as such, gained considerable power and influence in the scare community. Maybe

even royalty in previous lives.
Anyway. Paired with money, and riding on the cottails of his father,

Waternoose might get off with a lower setence.

  1. That’s a good question. The pipes are part of the

refining process. Hardly anybody goes down there seeing as how it’s become automative.

Given the

Play…the Scream Extractor was most likely found. It’s fate however, is questionable.
As known, it’s made

of pieces from Monsters Inc. hardware. It could have been salvaged and used for original purposes.
It could

have been taken and studied by C.D.A. scientists for a more “practical use”.
Or it could have been

repaired. Not in Monsters Inc., but slumbering in another facility, waiting to be used again.

Ah I’m

liking this discussion already heh.

#71

THANK YOU! :sunglasses: And

yes, that’s quite true… in fact you know what REALLY bites the big one? Not all of the mentally unstable can

be grouped with the Adolf Hitlers and Ted Bundies of the world. A priest or your own father can have this

dissorder, and you’ll never be any the wiser (or admit it to yourself) until it’s to late.

But I’m

getting off topic, the entire reason I brought this up in the first place is because sympathy for the "bad

guy" (note the quotations) comes up a LOT amongst fellow Randall fans and I only want to give a friendly

*caution:

[i]If you wish to extend sympathy to real life “bad guys” just

pleasepleaseplease keep in mind that, contrary to what we are brought up to belive, not EVERYONE is capable of

real compassion or give a rats plague infested behind no offense Mitch if we have any compassion for them (and

will most likely use that to his/her advantage if the occasion calls for it). Walk on eggshells.

[/i]

#72

If things are

anywhere close to legal trials in the Human World, where we have repeatedly seen the very rich get off with

nothing more than a proverbial slap on the wrist, I’d say that Waternoose has a VERY good chance of getting the

“Not Guilty” verdict, or at the worst, several years in a medium-security prison, where he will at

least get three square meals a day, have a roof over his head, and around-the-clock protection by the guards, all

under the ever-watchful eyes of his legal team, of course.

The Scream Extractor in and of itself was NOT

illegal; it was the bringing human children into the Monster World that was illegal, and NOT because testing the

machine on them would have been considered cruel, either. it was because they were seen as such a huge threat to

the safety of the entire Monster World, that’s why. The Scream Extractor that Randall built was most likely a

prototype, meant to be eventually scaled down so that it could be carried into children’s rooms here in our

world, once the bugs and kinks could be ironed out.

I doubt very, very seriously that Randall HAD a

family, not one still alive, anyway. Now think about it-if any of YOU disappear one day while at work, or in

most cases, at school, and the last person you were seen with suddenly gets promoted to some high-ranking post,

how would your families react? Better yet, how would they(or their attorneys)react to one of the last persons

you were seen with putting on a company/school play, in which YOU were ridiculed? Unless scaly monsters had far

fewer rights than even I’d imagined in the Monster World, and could not, for example, get access to legal

counsel, or expect the police to help them find a missing family member, I’d have to say that the reason no one

came forth to demand answers with regards to their family member’s disappearance is because no such individuals

existed. There is simply no way that the wretched “Company Play” would have taken place if they had,

and no way that James P. Sullivan would have attained the position of CEO, either. He’d have too many lawyers

to deal with, and we’ve seen that Sulley isn’t too good at holding up under pressure.

Devious? Now that

is an interesting word, meaning someone who is deceitful, a LIAR, in other words. I have seen the movie many,

many times, and the only time Randall comes close to telling a lie is when he allows Mike to go on thinking that

he was “cheating”, which he WASN’T. MIKE, on the other hand, lies with more skill and aplomb than any

Human World politician. He can tell the most amazing bald-faced lies without even batting his eye or changing

expression, and make ‘em up on the fly, too. Obviously, being devious and deceitful is Mike’s forte’, along

with using his much-larger pal as a shield and ticket to fame(or so he hopes). Now THAT is

devious!

pitbulllady

#73

Well with the tape Pitbulllady, I think Waternoose would get at least some conviction. However, if the tape was

removed before being used as evidence…
Waternoose is a very powerful man. I suppose if he does get

convicted, he would be out on “good behavior” very soon.
Prison…now that I think about it,

Waternoose’s age would reflect that. I think there is controversy that old or sick individuals have some sort of

edge on a prison conviction.

Remember Pitbulllady, that Sullivan’s “discovery” through Boo,

paired with the toxic card being gone, such uses of the Scream Extractor might be considered something

illegal.
Though at the time of the film, yeah I suppose I agree.

Heh. Well Pitbulllady we can safely

say Randall does not have a family. If so, they would have been at the Play, or the factory a year

later.

Personally I think the play probably angered allot in the reptilian community. Which is also

something to be considered. Randall was in a high ranking position (2nd at the time of the film, though Top

Scarer before) and considered a role model for the segregated race. So his disappearence probably sparked

suspecion.

In terms of the word, Randall isn’t devious, I suppose I have to say now.

#74

Didn’t see your post there for a second Ecto, sorry.

That is true. If I recall

somewhere, a priest can lure a person through the use of god to get

“close” to them.

In terms of Randall. I propose this.
[u]No

labeling[/u]. You cannot label Randall based on his actions for the movie. Because that was not him.

We don’t get to see him without that stress and loss of sleep. We did not see the

real him.
That is probably one of the main reasons there

should be a sequel. To see the real him. To see him

before Waternoose forced him into a blind spot. To see him before him and Sullivan became rivals. To see him

before he lost his Top Scarer rank.

Because as far as I’m concerend, the end result for the "good

guys" of the film Ecto…is that their murders.

Edited by KE
No

shouting, please.

#75

I said in my first “psych post” that Randall was excluded from that

“label”. After all, I wouldn’t be a fan if I belived that. And like I said, their’s a big fat glow in

the dark line between fictional “bad guys” and real ones.

#76

My apologizes. I tend to skim-read.

#77

S’alright, happens to everyone :slight_smile:

*Funfact: Ecto used the wrong

“there’s” my bad.*

#78

Heh.
We all do typos eventually. Even noted in published books that there are errors.

#79

I’m no admin., but could you keep the chit-chat for PM? I really do hate scrolling past three posts that

aren’t related to the topic. Thanks.

Thanking her? Maybe I’m just the type that might

hold a grudge here, but I wouldn’t feel particularly pleased to encounter someone whom I related to two beings

that I greatly despised, if not wished death to for wishing death on ME. And what events could have been? Being

arrested? Going to jail? Between jail and banishment into an alien world, I’d most likely go with jail. At least

there, I know I’ll be with my own kind.

When you

really think about it, yes. It is worse than what could have been if he had remained

in his own world. If you’re talking about the “spiritual” changes that he might have gone through

while trying to stay alive in our world (and that’s entirely speculation; he might not even have gotten that far

with the shoveling he got), that’s another debate entirely.

I agree with lizardgirl on Boo losing her

sweetness as she grows older. Nobody can stay as sweet and cute as they were when they were 2 years old,

specially with several life factors that might contribute to the development of a bitter personality in later

years.

#80

To me. A two post OT isn’t something that’s too big.

Thanking her, in terms of what I mean, is

something you have to think about more clearly.
Banishment is considered the worst punishment in the Monster

World. Even more so than death.

Jail? Imagine this. Your 25. Your the minority of the world. Being put

into a prision of kidnappers, attempted murders and the like. Now…I don’t think THAT would be a good

situation.
Own kind? Well yes. I suppose other reptilian, innocent and not, are there…
I suppose that

that can be considered a good “what if” story.

Just THINK on it.
Waternoose could very well

have blamed everything on him, which was the CEO’s plan. He would have been stuck in jail for years on end with

little to no support, or even killed by those within Waternoose’s ring.

It’s hard to say really what

Boo could become. She might very well be labeled an “imaginary” little girl. Unlike most, she was in

the Monster World for awhile. And I am unsure if she would “forget her kitty”. I mean, even after a

year she didn’t forget him.