I’m definitely late to the talking about this whole thing party. Missed a bunch of pages.
But I enjoyed the teaser. I’m not going to look to much into it or over analyze it. I thought it was fun.
Very well, tough love I suppose is a universal terms for many a situation.
So you would consider it brotherly to be used as a disco ball whereas having a light shined on you in the hallway, producing said effect, could very well have been considered “enough”?
I doubt an ego can be “distrustful”. I think you merely mean Randall is just distrustful compared to Wazowski.
Wazowski hides behind Sullivan in many an instant. He’s afraid of Randall (baring moments when he THINKS he’s right or has dirt on somebody), but puts up a front when Sullivan’s around. Sullivan’s his “shield” and is what he latches onto to share fame. Wazowski is a good assistant, but most of the “glory” goes to scarers, and that’s what he wants. Not to say that’s a bad thing, or that Wazowski is a bad person, it’s just that he might consider himself inadequacy on the inside.
The direct quote was “That cheater, he’s trying to boost his numbers tap tap with fingers”. Wazowski dislikes Randall, any chance to prove the wrong of him is a good thing to him. Yes, canisters perhaps, but not points. That’s the scoreboard’s job.
For an interesting glance, Wazowski asks Roz for the key for the door Randall used the night before.
“Randall was working late last night out on the scarefloor”. At this point, Wazowski’s not concerned with Randall, saving his own butt took front row. Now this could be news to Roz, but if not…and given Roz’s attentiveness to her task as an observer for the C.D.A and paperwork flat-out, it’s on record that Randall worked late last night. In Wazowski’s mind, Randall was “cheating” because he was, at least from the perspective outside of Boo, putting in more work then they did.
And Randall himself is appalled at being called a cheater when Wazowski accuses him, to the point that Randall nearly blurts out what he was really doing. If Randall was a cheater, it wouldn’t have been anything to him and he would have kept his cool at that moment, but he didn’t.
Sullivan essentially put himself in the middle. Randall gave him and Wazowski a way out when he KNEW they had Boo. A “villain” (or rather lackey, Waternoose was the main antagonist behind things), doesn’t give the heroes a chance to walk away without strings attached.
Yes, I do have him in my avatar. I am a Randall fan and I consider myself the olive-branch of the community. My aim is the reach of understanding rather than assault.
[b]Regarding the disco ball Wazowski knew it was a prank and called it that. Was it nice? No, but he didn’t seem terribly upset.
An ego driven life is fueled by distrust. Throughout the film he’s portrayed as a sneaky character, the fact that he can camouflage to his surroundings, the way he climbs up walls, late work hours and his secret machine show this subtly I suppose.
As for Wazowski we both agree that he’s not the best scarer I’ve never discussed opposite. Yes, he does act up when his “older brother” Sulley is around; it supports my case of a brotherly relation. Mike has flaws but he’s not evil. Randall is a bully because he knows Wazowski is afraid of him and continues to torment him. I actually think that in the inside Wazowski does believe he’s that good maybe not a scarer per se but an integral part of the team.
What is the scoreboard but a means of showing whose IT at Monsters Inc.? Isn’t that what Randall was looking for to leave his mark? He knew he couldn’t keep up with Sulley’s numbers so he began conducting illegal work outside of the company’s policies; he wanted to place children on that machine of his. This is a direct quote from the movie, which I got online.
“Because of you, I had to banish my top scarer!” (Waternoose)
“With this machine, we won’t need scarers, besides Sullivan got what he deserved.” (Randall )
In other words he wanted to make Sulley obsolete he wanted to be the IT guy who transformed Monsters Inc. He hated that Sulley through his hardwork was top scarer. He was trying to boost his numbers but in a worse way he didn’t mind others losing their jobs and lives for that machine. Villains usually give ultimatums it’s usually joined me or step aside. He wasn’t that considerate, he threatened Mike in one scene I believe.
We have very strong personalities so it might come across as catty but it’s all for lively discourse.
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shrugs Really depends on the time-frame. He may have gotten use to it perhaps, becoming a regular target. Generally a person doesn’t show their true feelings…especially when surrounded by people who compounded on the joke. It’s interesting that nobody seemed to show an “ok guys that’s…enough really” attitude.
Randall’s sneaky…but so are a lot of Scarers. It’s in training. Sure, he innately has it, which is a quality that makes him a great scarer. His ability to blend enhances that, as well as his ability to access different areas through wall climbing. Now he uses these abilities when he’s able outside the workplace yes…
Yes…his actions can portray some distrust. Sullivan is unsure of Randall’s motives at one point because of his mysterious actions and motivations, which is understandable. Of course Randall wasn’t about to explain those to Wazowski of course. It is interesting though that Randall inadvertently placed his trust in Wazowski, and by extension Sullivan, to bring Boo back…
It’s not to say Wazowski could have SOME scarering qualities (heck the SIGHT of a monster is enough to freak an adult out)…but up there with Sullivan and Randall…no. Maybe it’s the experts who thought he had inadequate (true perhaps) abilities (Sullivan has his towering height and roar, while Randall has subtly and stealth), or maybe his (supposed?) lack of ambition in academics.
Note though that is in the future, not in this college background. The two live together, work together, support in different ways.
Yes, Wazowski’s not evil. Neither is Randall. And neither of them are truly good. They’re just like everybody else. Neither the epitome of evil nor the ridiculous concept of a saint.
I wouldn’t say “continues” to torment him. The locker room introduction was a joke, and considering they’ve probably been doing this “back and forth” with each other for awhile, it’s understandable. Sullivan, unfortunately, would see BOTH of them as childish for egging each other on. As for the “clock” bit, Randall was in a stressed situation of both keeping Wazowski quiet and fixing the matter involving Boo so that all three of them would be sorted out of the mess. And the Extractor…well…a mistake on his part…and he only aimed to scare Wazowski into shutting up…
taps lip I always found the scoreboard to be a double-edged sword. It shows, SEEMINGLY (I’ll get to that in a moment), shows how much…scare…energy perhaps…is taken in from each door, thereby adding to a total. Now, that means showing both who has the most, and who has the least. This puts on both a “your a success” and “your not that good” unintentional claim to each Scarer. It can be either prideful for a Scarer or demeaning for another.
Randall…is a great Scarer. As great as Sullivan is. I won’t go into details…but it’s likely that Randall was Top Scarer before Sullivan. Which, of course, makes sense. Randall just as good as Sullivan is, and if he wasn’t involved with the Scream Extractor, he would be in better shape and less stressed to do more than what we saw (heck, a bit through we see he seems exhausted).
Sullivan’s always had the crowd, always been popular. He’s popular in college, probably in high school, and popular when’s older. Randall, I would think, didn’t have that. I don’t think it’s about leaving a mark, it’s about his hard work paying off. As we see when he gets ahead, he doesn’t go out-of-whack like “ha ha! I did it! screw you Sullivan!” he takes it with a shake and a nod of the head. He just wanted to feel mattered.
You forget what is said right before.
“I never should have trusted YOU with THIS”
Waternoose was behind this all. He picked a mechanically-enabled Scarer that he could easily manipulate to build the Extractor (which is made out of Monsters Inc. material parts by the way). He had Randall by the fronds. The way he stresses out (nearly having a heart attack when Fungus dropped in on him for instance) shows that he has something to lose here and is not the one in control.
It was interesting that Randall didn’t revel in that statement. He seemed…distracted, unenthusiastic. At the moment, yes he seemed to be…but then again so do many of us who are involved in a wrong deed…sometimes we later regret.
Randall’s a hardworker as well. The Scream Extractor wouldn’t be boosting his own numbers. It would “Revolutionize” scareing…and NOT needing scarers? That kind of…takes Top Scarer out of the equation.
Losing jobs is an interesting prospect…automation usually leads to gigantic layoffs…but that’s progress in most ways. It’s a sad, and yes wrong, concept but…it happens.
As for lives…
Waternoose has a BANISHMENT DOOR…that is…not something standard issue for a collection factory. There is no way Randall would have been able to acquire that. Waternoose had…and why? To get rid of loose ends. Who knows who else he tossed in (and Waternoose would have done it. He’s got that “you can trust me” feeling, but as we see that’s all for naught. And we see how he “cares” for Sullivan. At least Randall’s honest in his feelings…Waternoose? He hides it until the reveal. He doesn’t care about Sullivan if he’s in his way. And if that’s how he feels about SULLIVAN…then how about somebody he’s using as a tool? Randall? Heck, the door could have been for him too.
As for the human element…as we see with Fungus, the Extractor’s not fatal. Would expect that a portion of all the time (and Waternoose’s known annoyance and temperment towards Randall) would be to making the Extractor unfatal. At the core, this can be for the simple reason that missing/dead human children would be a disaster for the human world…but also makes the process pretty stupid monster-wise as children supply a nearly-continuous supply. Just taking…lets see…12? Think it was 12…12 full canisters from one child who could supply hundreds in the normal scareing way is just a waste.
In terms with Boo, Randall has no aim to harm her. The above included, he stops her from falling in the Vault when he had her. And at that point it would be the simplest thing in the world to just drop her. One missing child? Not much. But he didn’t. If Randall cared not one bit, if he just let her fall, then he would probably be heartless. A villain would have done that. But he didn’t.
Usually Villains give the “join me” or “die” rather. Funny enough Waternoose didn’t even GIVE a choice to Sullivan or Wazowski. Randall did though. And that one was “stay in this mess” or “follow what I say and it’ll all go away”.
With the above, Randall had to make his point to Wazowski. I have to say, he did better than some people might. Though it was funny, him trying to explain things to Wazowski kind of broke his barriers. He was trying to subtly tell Wazowski what to do, and managed to keep his cool at the first wrong answer. By the second though, he just got ticked. Can’t really blame him for the stress he’s under…but he could have just came out and told Wazowski exactly what to do instead of going for subtly.
That’s quite alright TY21. There are worse individuals out there. My goal, like said, isn’t to bash either.
Time-frame! Are you serious? I think you underestimate Wazowski, who for a small monster has a strong voice. The fact that he mentioned that the prank wasn’t “clever enough” prove this.
The simile slippery as a snake defines Randall in Monsters Inc. Perhaps he’s more of a complex character but what is displayed in Monsters Inc. does not allude to that at all. I’m glad you sort of realize this when I described his body movement and such.
One does not need to reach sainthood to be considered a good character. Randall is evil however, he’s self-centered his ultimate goal is fame and money; unlike Sulley who reaches both by simply enjoying going to work and making an honest living.
I find it peculiar that you think that the locker room scene was a joke when in fact it was Randall sneaking up on Wazowski. Randall’s intention was to gather information not to joke around with him.
I also have no idea why you continue to spew this view that he’s not an antagonist. Even after recognizing the “clock” bit. Randall is a great scarer but he’s second best and always has been even before he started working on that machine, so you can’t blame his lower numbers on that. Sulley is not humble about his wins, but the scoreboard makes it so it’s a celebration balloons etc. Randall has an ego problem which is why he quickly becomes upset when the celebration shifts to Sulley, instead of congratulating his fellow employee.
I don’t want to be the one who makes a Hitler reference but your case to victimize Randall’s actions makes me do it. Hitler’s men after WWII was over, justified themselves by saying “We we’re simply following orders”. I don’t know what your philosophical leanings are towards freewill but I very much believe we have it.
Revolutionize or digress? I think that kidnapping children for that machine of his would not be a good thing for Monsters Inc. or the monster world. Not every invention is progress and as you can see by the end of the film laughter is a stronger energy source which would not require any layoffs.
I agree with everything you said about Waternoose he’s just as bad. The only difference, one is in charge of the other but both agree to their dealings. The extractor may not be fatal but imagine the future relations between monsters and humans? It would not be good at all.
You claim Randall cared for Boo but when Wazowki was kidnapped in place of Boo what do you call that? If he wanted no harm he would not have tricked Mike and Sullivan into thinking that Boo would be returned safely.
Waternoose didn’t attempt to kill Sullivan he decided for him though “step aside” (banishment). Randall on the other hand did attempt to kill Sullivan, twice once by chocking and the other by making him fall to his death. It’s no wonder that Randall had a worse fate than Waternoose; jailed vs. being mistaken as an alligator a source of food for some Southerners.
I’m glad we got that sorted out. I think that since you are such a big fan of his you may take what I say personal so I hope you don’t.
You may mixing the singals here. Time-frame as in from the start of Sullivan’s jokes on Wazowski IN COLLEGE to what we saw in the trailer. If it’s been going on for a long time, it may have become “routine”.
I find any reptilian simile to be rather insulting. Reptiles have always gotten a bad rap. Yes, many are dangerous, many are posionous, but it’s not like their the only dangerous thing in the world. I merely stated that his attributes contribute to what a good scarer is. There are many cases that allude to Randall being more than what he is, you may have not thought that they were there when they were.
I agree. Sainthood is pratically unreachable. Everyone’s done bad in some sort of fashion. Bad contributes to character as well as good. We make a mistake, bad, we learn from it, good.
sigh You seem intent on thinking Randall is evil. I fear my efforts are in vain…
Information? Information? What could he possibly have wanted? I find THAT peculiar.
I use the word antagonist, not villain. Spew? Yes…vain.
I will stop there. There is little point. This is not sorted out. Bringing up such things as “spewing” an opinion with fact and a Hitler reference? Seriously? I had thought I might get somewhere with you, unfortunately that does not appear to be the case. So instead of drawing out this inevitable clash of fangs, as many Pixarians may tire of, I will halt into the classic “agree to disagree” state.
And yes, I am a fan. I am a dedicated one. Even so, it does not blind me to think of Randall as a saint as many mistaken people may think, or to deny positive actions or attributes of others. Many lock themselves into thinking something is bad for merely being bad, that that perception is stalwart in it’s execution. Sometimes it’s not worth the effort of unlocking that perception to a broader view.
Reptilian similes are for the reasons you mentioned and also because of Judeo-Christian influence of Satan portrayed as a snake.
The information he wanted from Wazowski had to do with the whereabouts of Boo obviously.
I used the word spew on purpose because I have not read any conclusive evidence to support your opinion. Yes, Randall is a great scarer but he’s not a victim he’s evil. I think I’ve done a great job at proving so.
The Hitler reference was simply to state that freewill does exist, and blame is cheap. You ignore the fact that Randall was personally profiting from what he was doing he wasn’t a sheep minded sidekick.
I can acknowledge that you mentioned the positive attributes of the other characters, that’s not the problem. I just don’t see how you can see him as anything but a villain.
I take offense if you assume I lock myself into a box, which I don’t. I respect your opinion and right to believe what you wish. I did not seek to “convert” you; I was just simply stating my opinion with the observations I did in the film. I will continue to believe Randall is evil until I’m proven otherwise possibly by this new film.
I suppose I feel inclined to reply…
Everybody also goes from the bible for that one…I’m not religious, I don’t believe that reptiles should be slated as evil for such a reason.
Boo’s whereabouts? Yes, that’s a obvious conclusion, and Randall stated so himself.
No not really. Randall’s attempt on Sullivan’s life at the end…yes…a wrong act. I’m not deny his wrongful actions. Nor am I deny Sullivan’s wrongful actions. Nor am I denying either their good ones. I’m being fair here. And yes, I have conclusive evidence, yet they went unnoticed.
I did not ignore that. I never stated he wasn’t getting something for this. He was. So was Waternoose. And, by some standards, the city Mostropolis.
And so we come to the exact question. I don’t see Randall as a villain. An antagonist? Yes. He’s NOT evil. Like every single monster, he’s a person like everybody else. Yet, if you put him in the situation that we see Sullivan is in the trailer…he’d be thought of as a prime jerk and, yes, evil. But Sullivan isn’t thought of that way. Maybe it’s because of their future mistakes/misshaps and the information that’s already there, misinterpreted or not.
Many occurrences can place a good person in a bad situation and make other’s perception show wrong. Waternoose banished Sullivan and Wazowski…Sullivan banished Randall. Former is seen as wrong, yet the later is not. Both were wrong.
Continue to believe what you wish. I know my effort is vain. But that is alright, others have come to an understanding. They believe what they want, yet they understand, and I feel grateful for them and their efforts to reach that understanding.
I don’t really see Randall being the main antagonist in this. That is unless they establish his character as a bully, which I don’t think will happen.
Well, he has to have some role as an antagonist, in order to explain how he became an enemy of Sulley and Mike in the original movie, right?
I can’t see him being the main antagonist either though.
True. Maybe they’ll have some sort of back story of on how he hated Mike and Sulley.
Thank you Ballboi.
There are PLENTY of other choices in this material to bring forth a new antagonist. Less we forget, there might not even BE an antagonist (outside of, perhaps the own characters themselves. Take Sullivan…the antagonist for him might be his own jerkish nature and impulses of such), like there was with Finding Nemo or…erm…Chick aside…Cars.
Remember Geoff, that this is, apparently, 10 years before the events at M.I. In general university tops out at 4 years…2 minimum, again, in general. So that’s 8-6 years we’re not going to see.
It’s difficult to say whether he’ll be in an antagonist role or not at this time. I mean if he was, the teaser would have shown him in some regard…though curiously he’s not there…
That’s what I’m hoping for as well. I mean though…Randall doesn’t “hate” Sullivan and…well…Sullivan. The events in Monsters Inc. led up to an accumulation of manipulated action.
There are many possibilities to what happens.
And like I offered a few posts back, it might even end on a good note…from positive to negative. That would be for the older crowd who have been with since the first installment, a sort of nod to “you all know what happens next” sort of deal.
Sullivan’s a jerk in his younger years, which is understandable. But he turns into a hard worker and a dedicate…even so far as to sacrifice (supposedly) his own health and chance at relationships to keep Monsters Inc. afloat.
Wazowski, somehow, is a geek who…umm…turns into…umm…ok I don’t feel like I should touch this one.
Randall, despite what many say, hasn’t always come off as a jerk. At the most basic of things, “something happened”. Just as with Sullivan turning jerk-to-nice, “something happened”. Now that doesn’t mean that happened in college…and doesn’t mean it was his own fault either.
There are many possibilities of what can occur.
You’ve got a point. He could have easily became an enemy after university. Hell, Randall probably didn’t even go to university and instead met Mike and Sulley at the company. By then he probably grew a hostile attitude of jealousy towards Sullivan for being a better scarer.
However, it is possible Randall will appear in MU, though yeah, he probably won’t be an antagonist. He may have a smaller role.
Well I feel rival might be a better term. And there are friendly rivalries…I won’t go into a detailed discussion about that between Randall and Sullivan unless it’s asked.
Yes, his role is undetermined. For all we know Randall might not even be a student. He may already be a graduate. They might show he’s already a Scarer. That would be an interesting moment. A visit from an actual Scarer, of what many of the university attendees are aiming for.
A teaser of the kind they used usually doesn’t show much besides a gag, so I wouldn’t determine Randall’s role based on this.
Yes yes that’s true. This is merely speculation based on the new information of Sullivan and Wazowski in relation to what he might be. For instance, we can see Sullivan is the typical jock, quite the opposite (yet understandable) to what we see later on. It could be speculated that the same is for Randall. There’s no actual “clean cut” information to work with in the trailer, yes, as you said.
I just recalled something. Wazowski has contacts 10 years from now…just something that popped into my head since he has braces in this…
When did they state that this is 10 years before? I seemed to miss that.
I thought I saw that somewhere…yes it’s in a couple places with remarks to M.U.'s time-frame.
Let me see…official…
Ah seems it might have come from CinemaCon 2012 event when it was announced.
Of course their choice of 10 years is…
I presume in terms of the Pixar timeline, MI would have been set at the time of it’s release date in 2001. So if MU is set 10 years earlier, that would have the film set in 1991. Just speculating is all.
I’m really looking forward to this film 
I’m just sad that we’ll have to wait a year for it.