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#1

I was checking out some of the DVD

extras from the second disk and actually (now) noticed, with the volume turned up, the noises in one of the

doors, the one that’s for “Humans Only” that features the Animation extras. Anyway, this door opens,

with Randall’s underground “lair” as the background. Besides the hissing air coming from the tubes, I

hear noises as though someone were tightening a bolt and of someone dropping a wrench or some other tool.

Definitely sounds like someone is in there moving around and working on something. I couldn’t get over it and

the idea that that might be Randall working on the Scream Extractor. :3

#2

I know – I also heard those noises in the backround.

Interestingly suspicious. It makes me smile, actually… :wink:

#3

And speaking of noises…

Y’know that

part where Sullivan walks into Randall’s hideout? Maybe I’ve gotten delusional from straining my hearing so

much at every part and bit where Randall comes out, but I SWEAR I can hear more dialogue right before Randall

goes, “Yes! I’ve got the kid.” I just can’t really make out any actual words or even

whose they are. It’s kind of garbled. Sounds like Randall, but again, I’m just

left scratching my head and wondering if what I’m hearing is really even there. Anyone else hear

this?

Man, I have SO much free time now that I’m out of school! :stuck_out_tongue:

#4

There IS dialog there, from three sources, as I found out by playing the

DVD in stereo through an amplifier and listening with headphones. Randall is conversing with Mr. Waternoose,

apparently via some sort of communication device, like a two-way radio. That conversation goes something like

this:

Mr. Waternoose(sounding impatient and annoyed)-"Well, what are you doing

NOW?"

Randall: sighs"Making up for lost time."

Waternoose: "Good. So’s the

economy!"

Meanwhile, in the background, you can hear another voice, which gets louder and louder, and

you realize it’s Fungus. He’s reciting a bunch of numbers, BIG numbers, and you can make out the word

“cosign”, as well as the phrases “take away…” and “to the power of…”, and you

realize that he’s doing mathmatical problems in his head, apparently to while away the time while waiting for

Randall to return; what a NERD!

pitbulllady

#5

Well, apparently, you’re not the only one who heard voices,

DoubleLatte. I also heard them, although…I didn’t know what the heck the trio

were saying until pitbulllady so eloquently explained it. :wink:

I love how the

Pixar animators put little things like that into not just their films, but into their dvd menus, as well. Talk

about being a geek. :laughing:

#6

Yes. Pitbulllady is correct about the dialog.

Makes one question why Pixar would put something in that hardly any person with some interest in the film would

hear if there wasn’t something more.

As for the Human Door dropping of a tool. It’s probably one of two

people. Randall for obvious reasons. Or Sullivan, as he was a janitor before scarer and, as noted in

“deleted scenes” working on the pipes in the lower sectors.

#7

You have no idea how happy that made

me. It made my night. I also wonder exactly why anyone would add inaudible dialogue

in. I guess they’re the little details that make the Pixar flicks that much more enjoyable and as real as real

goes. Still, for someone like me who hadn’t taken special measures to listen in on that conversation, it felt

frustrating just sitting there and wondering what the heck they were saying. It’s still something I’d like to

hear for myself though. Thanks for the pointers. Wasn’t the headphones tip included in the extras?

#8

I so have to

go watch MI and listen for that now! :stuck_out_tongue: That’s pretty cool; thanks for cluing us all in on

that!

Technically, it’s spelled

“cosine,” not “cosign.” So, after having said that, I sorely hope that your use of the word

“nerd” was not meant to be derogatory. :unamused: And hey, maybe Fungus was actually doing problems related

to the operation of the Scream Extractor; there more likely than not are some mathematical aspects to the

machine, and no offense to Randall, but it does seem like those sorts of things would definitely be better

handled by Fungus.

#9

I

agree, DElf- Randall knows what he’s doing when it comes to technology and building things such as the SE, but

Fungus would have been really useful when it comes to horrible equations and working out accurate measurements,

which is probably why Randall agreed to let Fungus in on the whole thing in the first place.

#10

I actually always figured it went exactly as Delf

said. You can tell Fungus sweats all the little details. Randall probably set up the design of the SE

(blueprints) and came up with ideas on what spare parts they could use for the machine by gathering whatever they

could find lying around the factory (parts no one would miss). Now that I find

impressive.
And, yeah, Fungus IS a nerd, but to me, calling someone a “nerd” isn’t derogatory at

all. It’s more more like a little jab at the math whiz, IMO. :3

By the way, how did someone like Fungus

end up being dragged into the whole thing? Knowing him as the jittery, nervous wreck that he is, I seriously

doubt he volunteered to do a job like that. For a while I thought maybe Waternoose might have picked out Fungus

to help Randall, but if Waternoose was putting the entire blame on Randall after the Scream Extractor plans

almost went kaput (which could also be due to the CEO’s immense dislike for the poor guy) and caused him to

banish his top scarer, I figured it was probably Randall who asked for Fungus’ help and only had Waternoose

approve it, realizing that Randall wouldn’t be able to cope with the project on his own and meet the

deadline.

#11

Fungus seems like the type

of guy who can easily be taken advantage of. Perhaps all Waternoose or Randall had to do was convince Fungus to

take on the job in some way – a bribe, probably: money or the like. Plus, the fact that Fungus seems like such a

mathematical/mechanical “geek”, so to speak, was an added plus. :stuck_out_tongue:

#12

Doublelatte

Randall probably didn’t come up with the design. That was probably Waternoose. Although not

a technical person, Waternoose isn’t really the highest point on the web of deciet…

Hard to say.
One

Fanfic Writer suggested that Fungus became aware of Randall’s after hours and decided to investigate, later

being forced by Waternoose to help. Who knows. Maybe Randall helped Fungus from not being "taken care

of".

Mitch

Fungus would be your realtively classic nerd…money would probably interest him,

but he probably concentrates on the work, being such a wiz in some terms.
Although Randall is some-what

similiar, he tends to want a more fluid style.

#13

I doubt it,

Pittbulllady’s always ranting AGAINST derogatory comments/actions. :wink:

This whole conversation just

gave me somthing else to do. Walks awaaaaay.

#14

I’m next to convinced that it was Waternoose who pulled Randall aside and

came up with the project, but no design or blueprints of any sort for it. That one

was entirely Randall’s job, IMO, with Waternoose’s only contribution being riding Randall’s arse to finish and

supervising. That’s what I’d like to think, anyhow. Wasn’t it Waternoose III who changed his family-owned

company business by coming up with the door system?

#15

Floyd Waternoose, the second Waternoose, was in charge of Monsters Inc. when it left it’s

previous title of Monsters Lmt. (limited if I recall). Now I am unusure if it was him that was there at the time

of the mechanism’s arrival.

The Door Mechanism was actually thought up by a Furry monster. If I had my

timeline here I would tell the year it was made, but I have to dig through my files to find where I put

it.

Henry Waternoose came into Monster Inc.'s slowly decline age. When human kids were getting more

resiliant to Monsters and such. Seemingly having nothing but the coattag of his father to ride on, Henry was more

determined to keep the family business afloat.
Take it like this. For Floyd Waternoose, it was the door

mechanism. For Henry, the Scream Extractor.
…Makes me wonder who the Furry that created the door mechanism

was…and that the rival of this Furry would have a decendant that would take the fall for the Scream

Extractor…

#16

Okay, firstly, I agree with DoubleLatte- it doesn’t seem right for Waternoose t o have come

up with a design for the SE. He probably just told Randall what was expected of him, gave him a deadline, and

left him to it. Secondly, it wouldn’t surprise me if previous generations had stolen ideas for the factory from

its workers, like the door mechanisms- the Waternoose we know probably learnt how to decieve and lie from his

forefathers, anyway.

Then again, Henry Waternoose was being put in a very difficult situation, and was

struggling to keep the factory afloat, so if the previous generations had had it easy, they wouldn’t have had to

resort to breaking the law like Henry did. On the other hand, if there was some kind of disruption in the

community, for example a war of some sort, then yes, they’d probably resort to stealing ideas.

There is

one key difference between the SE and the door mechanism- the door mechanism was essential as a progressian into

mass scaring. Without it, the industry wouldn’t have grown so the extent that it did. The SE, on the other hand,

was unneeded, so to speak- it wasn’t an essential development, and would have actually put a lot of people out

of work. Therefore, the door mechanism is in a sense, the lesser of two evils.

#17

That’s odd; I’ve got both the "Essential Guide to Monsters,

Inc." and the “2003 Monsters, Inc. Annual”, and neither them, nor any of the other publications on

the movie mention a “Floyd” Waternoose. They DO say, and this is in the movie as well, that the CEO in

the movie is Henry J. Waternoose III, which means that his father AND his father’s father would have also been

named Henry J. Waternoose, since that’s what it means if you’re “the Third”-that you are the third

straight in a family line to bear the exact same name, middle name included.

pitbulllady

#18

The Scream Extractor would have basically done

for the Scaring industry what robots have done for the automobile manufacturing business-replace people with more

efficient machines, resulting in downsizing of personel while streamlining the actual process. It would have

made Scream energy cheaper, and easier to obtain, but yes, it would have resulted in many of the Scarers and

those connected with scaring obsolete, therefore rendering the All-Time Scare Record null and void. That’s the

point I have to emphasize to those who insist that Randall was “cheating” and using the Scream

Extractor(or intending to use it)in order to boost his own numbers on the Scare Board to beat Sulley. He even

SAYS in the movie that it’s not about “that stupid Scare Record” and that once the machine is

finalized, “we won’t need Scarers anymore”, so in terms of being a Scarer himself, he is basically

eliminating his OWN current position. True, he’d obviously been promised a much better-paying position in the

company, that would have nothing to do with the Scare Record, but he clearly believed that Scarers were going to

soon go the way of many blue-collar jobs in the US.

pitbulllady

#19

Which is why I really don’t think that

Waternoose is the spawn of evil, however backstabbing and deceitful he might have been. He did what he did

because he, like Randall, happened to have found the wrong path to get to the top. Waternoose saw an opportunity

and maybe even his last chance to stay on the map for as long as he could help it.

Who cared if it was wrong or right? If it was getting him out of a jam, it worked. Anyone ever seen Training Day

with Denzel Washington? I thought that was a prime example of how far you could take the power of authority and

“bending” the rules to your liking. Like Denzel’s highly decorated and experienced character,

Waternoose knew exactly what he was doing and it was

his choice, as much as it was Randall’s, to do what it took to get the day’s job done sans a moral outlook. And

why not? It meant saving your own arse by using others as stepping stones, and it worked. He was just doing

whatever it took to keep his company going strong, even if it meant throwing all moral values out the window and

killing off whoever was stupid and unlucky enough to stick his nose in where it didn’t belong. That included

friends as well. Waternoose did get a tough break, and instead of sinking to the

bottom, he chose to stay afloat. That’s how I’ve always seen it, anyway.

Right on. It bothers me still that many of film’s descriptions

accuse Randall of cheating to the point were people actually start to think that the

SE was going to help Randall’s scaring score. The word “cheating” was only used by Mike as he

assumed that that was Randall’s intent in order to get back on top. It’s just one

of those little tidbits that gets lost in all the hype about the bad guy and that people really don’t care

enough to pay attention to. I’ve noticed that “villains” have a tendency to turn on a "tunnel

vision" in everyone that makes them think Hell itself spat them out just to wreak havoc and misery on

everyone that’s “good”. I don’t really blame them though; it was really

more or less Pixar’s own doing by drawing that fine line between “good” and “bad” and

depicting Randall in the manner they did.

#20

And when we see Randall’s reaction to being accused of

cheating…Well, the expression on his face says it all.