Evolution and Creation

I like your way of putting it. Although I disagree that we need to have a why, and thus, why is God necessary then? I think it is possible that we will discover the why one day, just most certainly not in my lifetime.

If you believe in an after life, then it is extremely nessecary to know God. At least, that is what I believe.

Trust me, the “why” is more important than you might think. It shows that we have potential to follow our dreams and/or make a difference in this world somehow. It shows that each of us is unique. Of course, we all have different DNA, and that can be studied. But also, we have thoughts, feelings, traits, personalities, talents, etc., and that can’t really be studied (I’m talking beyond genes).
One could also argue that “the ‘how’ isn’t important because it doesn’t even help us or matter in real life.” But, I won’t say that. I know the “how” is important, too. I think they’re both good to know about. :wink:
You could think of it as the difference between knowledge and wisdom. Knowledge is to knowing about information, as wisdom is to how you’re going to use that knowledge.

So evolution could be the path through which god has made all the varieties of life? (except that bible literalists are going to say “but it says in genesis that he made them all one by one”)

Wow. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, A113. Especially when it seems as if you don’t have the simplest grasp of what evolution is, but act as if you do. I admit that I still have a lot of research to do on the topic, but at least I’m not too proud to admit it.

A very intriguing question, TSS.

Firstly, as bawpcwpn already clarified, the theory of evolution doesn’t state this, but proposes that we have a common ancestor as the apes and monkeys around us today. And if you know that we share 97% of the same DNA with apes, then this doesn’t seem that far fetched that we have the same ancestor.

A billion years from now…? My little brain has a hard time figuring that one out. It would depend on what changes were made with our body and whether or not those changes had some sort of advantage with our environment. Not knowing what our environment will be like in 1000 years’ time, rather than 1 billion, I don’t know. This is just my opinion, but I think we will evolve beyond the need for our mating process. Maybe we will all evolve so we can reproduce without even the need to go through mating rituals… These are just my own thoughts, though.

I read an article in the newspaper a couple of years ago, about how the human race will split into two distinct races in 100,000 years’ time. This is not verifiable, obviously, and it’s just one scientist’s (however qualified) prediction. But I found it really interesting. link

I also read that our jaws are becoming more softer due to the softer food that we eat, and the attractiveness of males’ softer jaw lines to women is increasing because it represents a more refined, intelligent man as opposed to a “Neanderthal.”

Man made things evolve in a way.

Say for example in the future we have robots. There are a selection of 5 robots. the best robot is decided by the most bought machine. The machine must have been bought the most due to its features, durability, etc. So, the things that made that robot good will be passed down to the next generation of robots, with soem possible and then the best will be decided out of that lot. repeat the process a few times and the robot may look completely different but will still retain traces of the first gneration that started it all.

Rachel: I talking about my experiences with atheists, and i was talking to Christians. Sorry for confusing you.

My point in the recent posts here was that Christians shouldn’t be seen as the enemy of scientists. What really bugs me is when some people start making claims that Christians don’t care about science, or something like that. No, they are not like that.
I think deep down, the only true difference is that Christians can study science and appreciate that God made it, which is what most evolutionists seem to be lacking.

(Notice: I said “some” and “most”, so I’m not going biased and saying everyone’s like that. I also don’t want to gain enemies, here, okay? :wink: )

I do look at the theory of evolution with an open mind, and some of it seems believable and possible. Yes, I do admit I find some parts of it making sense. Microevolution, changes within species, adaptation, animals being bigger back then, some animals of the past not really the same as it was because they changed somehow over the years- that’s totally acceptable. But no matter what, I will still believe that it was God’s creation, and there’s nothing anyone can say to change that, especially that book The God Delusion, which is just making fun of religious people and isn’t going to convince me. I mean it. Not at all. Not me, not now, not ever. :stuck_out_tongue:

I know I trust the Holy Bible; just because the people who wrote it aren’t alive today doesn’t mean they were wrong. It’s just sometimes harder to understand for some is all.

(Again, I am not trying to make enemies here, so if you are annoyed with any part of my post, please do not raise anger -or mockery of Christainity- when you tell me. Thanks.)

I respect your right to have an opinion, but not neccesarily your opinion. Out of curiosity, have you read The God Delusion?

I write a book. In it it says that a man named sam created the world 6000 years ago. I fill it with complex stories and laws which explain what and what not to do.

Is this any less believable than the bible?

B•-R: You are very wise. I can see God working in you. :smiley:
bawpcwpn: Excuse me? GIve her a break, will you? What did she ever do to you?

If you love that book, and say it proves that there is no God, then tell us the good or best proof, because frankly i can’t afford to buy the whole thing.
WALL·E: I’d have to read your book before i tell you. If you’re just rewriting the Bible replacing “God” and “the LORD” with “Sam”, then it’d sure be believable. We’d just disagree on what to call that infinite Guy. :laughing:

A113 - I’m sure you could put The God Delusion on hold at your local library if you aren’t in a position to purchase it. And whether or not you were talking directly to me, or anyone else, it doesn’t change the fact that I suspect you really don’t know the basics of evolution.

I find it quite ironic A113, that you didn’t this thread to become a flame war and for people to start abusing one another, yet it appears as if you are trying to goad me into an argument with you because it appears as if I am giving her a go? If you think that is me being mean or something, then I’d (love) hate to see you when I actually am mean, something that I hope I never have to use on this forum

OT: The God Delusion offers no proof. No one, or no thing that I am currently aware of, or anyone who has been in contact with anyone who is anyone offers any proof to the existence or non-existence of a god or gods or God. What Dawkin’s does provide in The God Delusion is his opinion and the best pieces of evidence he can find as to why there isn’t a god/s or God. I think you should do what Rachel has suggested and get out the book out from your local library and read it with an open mind. I promise it won’t burn you if you touch, and Satan won’t jump out of his firey hole and getchya!

If you did this, I would gladly read any text (apart from the bible, which I have already read) in return, that you suggest.

Am I weird to believe in intelligent design? Because I do. I dont think the world was created in 6 literal 24 hour days, and I do think that animals and plants evolved (no, I’m not saying the human race sprang from monkeys!) but things do need to evolve over time to adapt to change. The Big Bang theory seems to make sense to me. (I’m not saying that’s the only theory that makes sense!) But on the other hand someone had to “light the fuse” as it were. Someone had to put the things on earth for them to evolve in the first place (though not in a literal week). So that’s where God comes in for me.

but who lit the fuse to make god come?

WALL-E: What I learned that God was there before the begining of the begining. No one made him, he was there.

Not really. That’s likely what a majority of people believe these days.

well that means god would have NEVER got round to creting us. You can;t do a tmeline because of course that timeline has no beginning, so god never comes intot that timeline and creates us.

I don’t know how else to explain it to ya other than he was always there and will always be there.

WALL•E: God is transcendental, that is, he is not a part of this universe, he is higher. Think of it like God is a director and we are his movie that he is making. Our movie takes place in a completely different timeline to his and he doesn’t have to enter it to create it.

But yes, trying to imagine any being not having a beginning or an end is very hard to comprehend.

I’d just like to clear this up for everyone about evolution.

Humans did NOT evolve from MONKEY’S. Humans and apes evolved from the same primal ancestor. In laymen terms, think of that ancestor as a very distant great, great, great (add heaps of greats) grandparents that gave birth to two or three children or whatever and each branch has slowly evolved over the generations into what they are today. This process took a very long time.

Humans did NOT evolve from MONKEY’S