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#401

well i sure do…he created everything including you…

God didn’t want man to be some sort of unintelligent robot that he controled…just like we want robots that understand us. What God did was include into man the ability to make decisions…yes he knew that man would ultimately become sinful and do wrong but that is why Jesus came…God glorifies himself through Christ.

then what was it…Didn’t hiltler belive that there should be one race…didn’t he. Where on earth do you find that idea? Evolution…Hitler used Evolution to make his ideas corret…he did what he did becuase evolution stated that that course was best…get it right.

Like who…

#402

The last thing al-bob said REALLY got me on-edge,

#403

sorry…imon my edge too…but seriously who has done good in this world that will effect generations upon generations.

(a little stressed out right here sorry) (just came back from an PSAT test)

#404

People that invented certain vaccines, cures for illnesses that used to kill thousands of people? Whoever invented the wheel? Lots of people. :laughing: Evolution got us to the point where we were able to do such things, and yes, some of the things humans can do are very, very bad. But we can also have a positive impact.

#405

I’m sorry…can you forgive me for getting frusterated and angry. I should be able to keep my cool especially when i get into a debate.

Do you want to try and start something new here…that way we’re not just blabbing on about certain topics…make the thread more organized and easy ot debate in.

#406

So the idea of Evolution created Vaccines?

#407

Don’t worry, Al-Bob. It’s good that you feel strongly about your faith. :smiley: And I hope the test went well for you!

Anyway, back on topic…

What I meant was, evolution got us to a point of intelligence where we could invent vaccines, yes.

#408

i think both religious and scientific points of view have given us breakthroughs…some of the most famous inventions were during the middle ages and industiral age. Evolution hadn’t even begun until after that time…i don’t see how evolution can be credited as greatly as you ssay…thats all.

#409

Evolution began way, way, way before the middle ages and industrial age. It began with, well, microbes and that sort of stuff (as far as I’m aware). Humans were evolving at those times as well- it’s sort of a continuous thing.

#410

no the idea that evolution was a theory fo the start of the world didn’t come about until Darwin…all the breakthroughs were before…what breakthroughs have they come up with now…

#411

Yeah, but just because the theory of evolution wasn’t known at that time doesn’t mean it wasn’t in effect, if you see what I mean. I can see the point you’re making, but that implies that the cause of the technological breakthroughs at the time was religion, which it wasn’t, really- it was probably more to do with happy accidents. :laughing:

And there were breakthroughs after Darwin’s theory came about too- look at the technology all around us. Stuff like the internet affects most people’s every day lives.

#412

Evolution was around before darwin. Natural selection is happeneing everywhere, it is visible!

#413

[face plant]

no the idea tha evoution is creating breakthroughs…you know what we were talking about beofre…

[Then again evolution has created some great people who gave you thhe world around you! ]

#414

Think about it. most of the great scintific discoveries in the recent couple of centuries were made by evolutionists.

#415

coud i have some examples??

then i might admit that evolutionary scientists can derive breathroughs from their scientific belief.

#416

Whoa…okay, I’ve read some of the previous posts made on this thread, and I gotta say that I didn’t like the few posts that insults God. Note (not just for P.P., but outside of it as well): calling God names would not help convince Christians anything of evolution but cause anger to rise, so be careful about that.

Yes, I know we cannot deny everything the theory of evolution claims. Microevolution, adaptation, and even natural selection does occur. Creatures change with the environment, I know. Some survive better than others because they devolop new skills and adapt. Animals have changed, and still are changing today. Gradual change over time within species is very believable.

But how did the conclusion that the world started like such-and-such get drawn? Is there evidence that the world began with just single-celled organisms as life forms at first? Is there any proof from that far back in history? If so, please let me know what it is.

Is there a fossil that shows a creature part reptile part bird? If dinosaurs have evolved into birds, a scientific claim, then are there any remains of a dinosaur in the middle of that change? We may see fossils of birds different from birds today, or fossils of reptiles different from reptiles today, but have we found one in-between yet, as the missing link? Just wondering.

Also, who says that just because evolution can be proven means that God doesn’t exist? Why do some people think we only have to choose one? How do we not know that God didn’t set the creatures up as less-intellegent life forms (like first drafts of a project) and they eventually became more complex?After all, He is patient, so things don’t have to be instant. Also, He may have let them evolve with the environment, like if you made something, you might want to edit it or tweak it to make it more interesting later on.
So the bottom line for me is that God created the universe- but just how He set it up exactly, or how it was like could have been anything or any way. The possibilities are endless. And besides, Christians like me don’t have anything against scientific discoveries, because we believe that science is a great way to study and understand God’s Creation. You don’t have to be pulled away from science to learn religion, or the other way around either. :wink:

#417

Well something must have spontaneously ccome into existence at one point. You can’t have an infinite consciousness, like you say your God is.

Also acording to christians, sex and giving birth are horrible and disgusting things, so why did god make it pleasureable and give us organs to do it with, why doesn’t god just create us himself, as purely as possible?

see:

Matthew 19:12, where it says being castrated is good,

and the killing gays thing:
“And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul” (1 Samuel 18:1). “If a man also lieth with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them” (Leviticus 20:13). How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places. I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan; very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women" (2 Samuel 1:25-26).

thinking sexual thoughts while married is bad:

“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: but I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already is his heart” (Matthew 5:27-28). “And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death” (Leviticus 20:10).

Incest did happen in the first humans:

“And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord. And she again bare his brother Abel” (Genesis 4:1-2). “And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch” (Genesis 4:17). “And Amran took him Jochebed his father’s sister to wife: and she bare him Aaron and Moses” (Exodus 6:20).

#418

Why not?

Why did you include the bottum section…Jonathon never had that problem…David and he were just best buds like forever. They both were overjoyed to see each other but they never had any problems…

1-The old testement is in my opinion the most strict law in the world…as you can see from above. I’ve already discussed thjis topic but i’m willing to explain it again…

The old testement laws were impossible to follow either by 11 century man or 21 century man. God was trying to make a point to the people not that he is mad, mean, and bloodthirsty but that noone can undo or become perfect in thier lifetime. No one can complete the laws without blemish. That is why Jesus came not to break the laws but to fullfil the law.

Its a metaphor…i’ve explained this one as well. If you look at a person with lust it is as bad as doing what you want becuase your brain gets the pleasure of it. You’ve most likely expierienced this before and you should know how hard it is to not think badly…has it effected your life in any way? You know the women back then wore big black or tan-ish cloaks that hung all over them except their eyes. Men weren’t tempted like we are today…
comparison;
David’s Time-Cloaks all the way down and head coverings…
Today-Short cut pants with rips in them…short skinny shirts…lipstick…makeup…etc.

Today’s law is simple…

“Do unto others what you would have them do unto you”…its simple

Every law that God made had meaning…don’t eat unclean animals…like pigs. What have we learned today? Pigs can carry diseases very easily. If you have a problem that cuases lust or temptation cut it off…today-erase the cause and you’ll be fine.

Everything has personal meaning, health reasons, and Spiritual Reasons.

It all fits into place for me…

#419

mmmm… had pork stew for dinner, park sandwiches for lunch and a bacon sarnie for dinner! It’s best grilled!

Why not have an infinite consciousness?

because he would never get round to doing anything. Think about it.

How am I supposed to know which bits are metaphoric and literal?

Everything fits into place for me… it’s a nonsensical book.

so really, you don’t eat pork?

#420

No i eat pork…but pork back in the 7th century wasn’t farmed like it is today…they didn’t have sanitation so too much pork could actually lead to disease.

here’s a link… onlinetruth.org/Articles%20F … ous_to.htm

and remember…they don’t have sanitation or the internet…