Evolution and Creation

If you are arguing that my God is less powerful then others i don’t really know where to start on that argument…if your saying that any God will work then i’d have to say that there are levels of power from God’s.

Besides some things like those stories are impossible to prove and since most people pray for those acts i don’t see why Zues would respond to another God’s prayers.

/facepalm

Firstly, if you’re going to argue, please get your english right, and it’s Zeus!

Secondly, I did not say your god was less powerful than another. I said that one person could say that Allah did something but then another Person could say Brahma did it, and neither of their claims could be verified.

don’t mind my english…i’m American.

But if someone prayed for it while the other religion didn’t their God’s should respond or reject the idea if one is better then the other.

If i pray to buddha but God is better will he most likely accept my prayer?? Most likely not…if we pray and the Lord answers i don’t see how you can say Alla did it.

You’re just not getting what I’m saying.

Say a tidal wave occurs, one person will say [x] god did it, while another will say [y] god did it.

yah i understand that…

I never said anything to that effect.

no that is mine…

oh. Well acccording tot you there is only one god so that is out of the question. :slight_smile:

no i’m asking you what your opinion of that quote is…

What happened to the friendly, open debate this started out as?
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lizardgirl: Hope you’re still on this thread to answer this. I like how your questions, answers, and statements are still friendly, open-minded, and understanding. :slight_smile:

Anyway, I quoted something you wrote way back earlier in this thread…

What I have to say isn’t evolution vs. creation- reliant, but sort of my reply to that.

Good for you to have made a difference yourself! But prayer isn’t always useless, you know. I believe that that was God’s way of answering your prayers, actually. He didn’t make the change himself entirely, but he gave you the strength, oppurtunity, and motivation to make the changes.
And perhaps the reason why there are still disasters around the world is because some people get the oppurtunity to make a difference, but don’t take it.

Also, there is evil in the world because of free will. If God easily took away all the evil in the world, we wouldn’t have our own decisions anymore. But God isn’t like that. He wants us to choose for ourselves what to do. He doesn’t just zap people to be all good because he wants to give them a chance to change themselves. And if we didn’t have free will, then we’d probably do what He wants, but without emotions, and that wouldn’t be worth anything. It’s like giving someone a gift because they force you to. No, He wants us to do good things and feel good about it too.

And, about what you said earlier (way earlier) about the Bible giving reptiles a bad rap: well, the snake was considered the symbol for medicine and cures back then (that’s a good reputation).

And also, about the us being above the animals, it doesn’t always mean we are better than the animals. After all, from what we Christians believe, human women have more pain giving birth than the rest of the creatures because it’s a punishment for us sinning.
And it says in the Bible that we rule over the creatures. What does that mean, you might ask? Well, originally, the world was all peaceful and perfect. And people were at peace with animals. But after Adam and Eve sinned, chaos came. We no longer completely control animals.
But back to us “ruling over creatures”, that means we are granted the responsibility of taking care of the earth and its creatures. Not only caring for each other (people), but we should also care for the animals and plants God made, because now it’s like (dare I say it) the circle of life. At least, that’s my belief. God loves the animal kingdom, too. :wink:

Please understand, everybody, that this post is not made of anger (if you even find a hint of anger in it), but of just making sure we could understand each other better.

Shouldn’t this debate be about being open and about trying to understand what the other side’s points and exchanging arguments that don’t bash each other?

Fine sure BDD…i’ll try to calm down and post responsibly. Sorry Walle and Lizardgirl

Don’t you mean lizardgirl Al-Bob? :unamused:

oh yeah…corrected.

you’re welcome dude. :wink:

I don’t know why I even bother writing in this thread sometimes, as half the time my direct questions get ignored. I’d rather someone respond with something, even if it doesn’t make sense, or even if they try to respond the best they can, they’ll get more respect from me than if they ignore it.

And I think you guys are a bit confused about this discussion: having your beliefs challenged, and other people finding flaws in your argument is not (in my opinion) “harsh.” Don’t get all defensive just because of what other people are saying may make you see things from another point of view, people.

Yes, you have a right to be offended, but don’t let this debate/discussion deteriorate into another stream of messages along the lines of “Hey, you hurt my feelings, I want an apology” or “Now, I’m really mad!” It takes the focus away from the conversation and good points people are making.

This isn’t an argument of 'My god is stronger than yours" and if you think that, then it shows you’ve sort of missed the point. My point was that how do you know that those miracles you come across weren’t instigated by another god that is NOT the Christian God? And if your answer is “because of faith” then I could say the same thing such as “I KNOW the Flying Spaghetti Monster performed a miracle for me because of my faith” and my statement would have just as much credibility as yours, Al-Bob.

Hmm… couldn’t have something to do with all the nerve endings ‘down there’ could it?

And Eve took a bite from a forbidden apple so now all of women have to suffer for the rest of time, seems a bit overdramatic, don’t you think? IMO, that story is meant to try and make Christians conform as in “Eve disobeyed God and took a bite out of that apple (or whatever fruit it was), and now all females have to suffer when they give birth. Look at how much power God has over people that disobey!!!” Pffft. Scare tactic.

In my opinion, it’s your God that’s impossible to prove. What makes you think there is some rule in the Land of Higher Powers where it says Zeus is not allowed to respond to another god’s prayers?

No…you misunderstand me.

Some things or events are impossible to solve by human mind…

If i don’t pray to God will Zues answer me? Will God answer me since i prayed to Zues? Would you grant someone a gift or reward if they asked someone else?

Yes, something are impossible to understand, but that doesn’t mean you should automatically attribute things you don’t understand to God, the Flying Spaghetti Monsters, or Zeus. Well, you could, but once something comes along that blows that theory out the window, you have to be prepared to let go of your old way of thinking so we can move forward, less we be stuck in the Middle Ages forever. Like with evolution for example, before the Theory of Evolution people used to think that God created us, which worked fine back then for ‘filling in the gaps’ but now we know better than that thanks to science so it’s time to let the ‘goddidit’ way of thinking go.

I don’t know: will Zeus answer your prayers? Why don’t you try it and see? I predict that whether you pray to God, or pray to Zeus or whoever you want, or don’t pray at all, the outcome will be the same, anyway.

As I mentioned earlier, can’t we believe that God set up the laws of science? :confused:

But we created Science and the theory of evolution…so what created us??

I can’t believe that everything you see here with us today was created by a miss-chance.
The tree’s
flowers
humans
a dna cell
fish
whale
plankten
coral
soil
sun
stars
universe
gopher…

And no i’m not stuck in the middle ages…are you?

How come ealier someone said that fast evolution happened so that something changed but it takes millions of years to do so??

Which brings up Zeus. People had no idea what thunder and lighting was. It was impossible for them to even think they ever would, and thus they created gods to explain everything in nature that they could not.