yes…but what they didn’t know was who put the clouds in the sky. All they knew was that someone was unhappy.
That brings up another question…
Were any of the old cinvilizations ever athiests??
and howcome we never find any civilization artifacts from say 1 million B.C.?[/spoiler]
lol spoilertags go wrong.
also:
hinduwebsite.com/history/athiesm.asp
1m bce? maybe bacause things deteriorate, rot get buried MILES undet the earth.
However:
some civillasations from 6000bc:
I’m half asleep, so this post won’t be in-depth (but rest assured, I’ll reply to your previous post properly at a later point, bright dot-dasher), but I just wanted to write about something quite interesting that I saw on a TV programme the other day.
Basically, it was about animals inside the womb and how certain animals developed. They chose the kangaroo, Emperor penguin, some sort of shark, and the parasetic wasp. The wasp was the interesting thing- it’s absolutely disgusting how the parasites live under the skin of the caterpiller, using its resources and taking control over its brain until they’re ready to burst out from under its skin. And then, when the wasp larvae are spinning their coccoons, instead of spinning its own coccoon, the caterpiller (which somehow manages to stay alive!) uses its thread to HELP the wasp larvae. The caterpiller eventually dies of starvation.
According to the narrator of the programme, it was the discovery of this process that made Darwin question whether there was an all-knowing Creator, as it’s a pretty gruesome way of reproducing.
Okay, I know it seems like this all has no point, but I thought it was interesting as it sort of has points for both sides. On the one hand, what sort of Creator would create a world in which this sort of thing happens? On the other hand, it’s a complex method of reproduction, which would take hundreds of thousand of years of evolution to develop.
Also, they showed the animals in the wombs (aside from the wasps, of course) at their first stage of development, and you know what the weird thing is? They all looked the same! The embryo of the kangaroo, the penguin and the shark, despite being such radically different creatures, looked the same- sort of long, and fish-like, and according to the narrator, this is because they are echoing the first developmental stage of the animal that we all evolved from, millions of years ago.
A fascinating programme, definitely.
I’ve got into my flow now, so I’ll reply to your post, bright dot-dasher. 
(I’m doing this paragraph by paragraph- it’s too much effort to get into the whole quoting thing. ) Oh, and thank you. I try to be open-minded, at least, and I also like how you reply in an open-minded manner also. 
I see what you mean, but who says that it’s God that gives people the strength to do things, as opposed to the people themselves? There’s talk of miracles in the Bible, but aside from some strange coincidences, there aren’t many miracles around nowadays.
This is the bit about God I find rather contradictory- I can understand why He would want us all to have free will. I completely agree with that idea. But at the same time, it’s as though he practically enjoys all of the pain and suffering that people have to go through. It’s not always free will that makes a person bad, and it’s not always free will that makes a person suffer, such as those in less economically developed countries.
You’re right- snakes were the symbol for medicine, which is undoubtedly a good thing. But the use of snakes in that well-known symbol, and being associated with medicine, was around way before Christianity. It was a Greek thing, I believe- the Greeks were quite the fans of reptiles. The symbology was passed down and was in use at the time when Christianity started up, but it was the Bible that first emphasized how ‘evil’ snakes are, and that related them to Satan. Before then, well, they were feared to a certain extent, as all dangerous animals are, but they were also greatly respected.
Yeah, gotta go with Rachel on this one and say that making all women suffer pain whilst giving birth because of the mistake of one woman is pretty over the top. I always thought the pain thing was simply because human females carry their babies in the womb for a long time in comparison with other animals, simply because the human is such a complex creature that it would not be able to survive in the world without a certain level of development having been reached in the womb. Or something like that.
It’s good that you, as a person, care about animals and believe in the circle of life- if only everyone believed that! Then there wouldn’t be all that poaching and nasty stuff. But even in Genesis, there is a real distinction made between us, the humans, made in God’s image, and them, the animals.
And yup, don’t take my reply too harshly either. It’s all about learning about each other’s viewpoints.
Also, what If Adam had got the apple first, what woudl ahve happened then?
umm the same thing Adam eats and eve eats after him.
…the better question would be What if Adam hadn’t eaten the fruit with eve…hmmm. or even if eve hadn’t eaten.
that is funny archibald…but i think that sometype of that would happen sooner or later if evolution still is around. Maybe we should be seeing more of those…
It doesn’t just happen for the sake of happening Al-Bob. Evolution exists because of the need to survive. Currently men do not carry what is required to give birth. Men would have to develop a womb for starters, develop ovaries and then some way to naturally and safely eject the baby. This would take thousands if not millions of years to happen. Currently men do not need a womb or the ability to bear babies to survive. If by some freak chance a baby was born with a defect that would allow them to give birth safely, but was still a boy in gender. Kind of like a worm, then yes, Evolution may start on its way for both species being unisex.
I lol’d. Hard.
also what bawpcwpn said.
i don’t get it…
what happed to the males who evolved?? What would have happened to them?
I’m sorry, you’ve lost me Al-Bob. Could you state your question a little clearer please?
well if evolution is true then that kind of stuff should be happening right?? Everything is evolving so that kind of stuff should be more common becuase time has elapsed so much. So why don’t we see that kind of stuff today and why are there no records of that kind of changes?
We don’t have those changes because we don’t NEED them. Evolution allows us to survive as well as possible in our environment.
Love that picture, Archibald. 
You mean set up evolution? Or that he set up the scientific process that evolution stands up to?
Because I thought the scientific process was a human invention… and if you do think the latter, would God have set up the scientific process just so Creationism could be disproven? Seems a bit of a strange thing to do.
But to me that seems like you are giving credit to God for something you did yourself. But I must say that if it takes a belief in God to get something done and to have the strength to do it, well, fine. But at the end of the day it’s still YOU that got it done.
Again, seems like a bit of a cop-out to me. On one hand, if something good happens to you it’s all “Praise the Lord!” but when something bad happens, it’s either a punishment from God due to our wrongdoing, or it’s directly caused by people of their own free will and choices. Or also it’s one of the evil things in this world left here by God to teach us a lesson. So God can really do no wrong, can he? All bases covered, right?
All the more reason why you should be able to master it. (Not trying to be mean, here.)
I don’t know… I’m not stating that I do know that. And even if we don’t know where our souls come from, (if you do believe we have a soul), it really doesn’t have any impact on the validity of theory of evolution.
A chance? Yes. Does it change the fact that I’m happy that it did happen? No. The point is, it did happen and that’s pretty awesome in itself without the need to have a creator behind it.
Not exactly sure what you mean by that. And we have gone over several times that it takes a long time for observable differences in species to occur.
But, as I said before, the basic principle of the example of Zeus is that people back then didn’t know how thunder or lightning came about, the scientific process behind it, so they came up with a mythical reason behind it because they didn’t know any better. But once people learnt, using science, why thunder and lightning exists, they had no more need for Zeus. The Zeus story did its job for a while, but we don’t need it now because we know better.
And it’s the same with evolution. People used to believe that the Earth was created in seven days and humans and all the animals were created by God all at the same time, as is. And that story worked for them at that time because there was nothing that could disprove it. But just recently, as of a hundred or so years ago, and again, thanks to science, we have learnt the scientific explanation behind how we came to be (evolution) and how and when our universe was created (Big Bang.) So now we don’t need the Creationism story because we now have the scientific answer, much like the people who believed in Zeus eventually did away with that thunder and lightning theory. Are you following me?
I doubt he will, you’ve just blown his beliefs to pieces.
And to refute the inevitable “But you can’t prove that God doesn’t exist or that creationism is wrong” argument which is bound to pop up I have this to say,
I (like Dawkins) believe that “God Exists” and “Creationism is true” are both propositions that can be right or wrong and that one day we will know.
“But you still haven’t proven that God doesn’t exist!” I hear you say,
Well we haven’t proven that Zeus isn’t actually causing the lightning and thunder, but we have come up with a scientific explanation for thunder and lightning, just like we have come up with a scientific explanation for our origins with Evolution and some of us have moved past the dated belief in a higher power and have stuck with science.
As I have said before, the onus isn’t and shouldn’t be on us to disprove your God theory, however the onus is on you to prove that God exists. It is my soul after all that all religions seem to be after. Better hide my wallet though 
Apart from Judaism 
and, who’s to say it isn’t the Sikh gos that’s causing thunder and lightning?
and why should you care wheter I burn or not? More room for you in paradise!
I think I posted this question before, but I don’t think anyone has answered it. (Or maybe someone has, but not to me.) Anyways, I have always wondered how did the Big Bang get its spark. Scientificly, does anyone know what started the Big Bang? There must’ve been something behind that explosion.
I believe that is what they are kind of working on now with the Large Hadron Collider I believe. But I could be wrong. I’m sure its far more complex than that.
well soemthing musy have set god going aswell.