Way too perfect? Nature is full of “mistakes”. For example, it’s funny to see how many living beings evolved some parts of their bodies in a stupid way. About light, I really can’t see what is the “perfect” thing.
About seasons, we’re lucky. I want to think we are not the only lucky living beings, it would be so… impossible, watching how old is and how many stars are in this universe.
I agree. This is an interesting fact: we’re atheist of every religion but one, or simply every religion. An atheist and, let’s say, an aztec from the old Mexico, have got the same opportunities.
Yoy can easily see evolution if you want, even artificial evolution. There are hundreds of examples, but the easier to understand for everyone is the obvious fact that the life today isn’t the life of time ago.
And you say: what if this world isn’t real? I haven’t been to Antarctica. But, from now, this is not a science discussion: this is metaphysiscs. The only thing you can know is that you are real because you’re thinking.
Last time I had this discussion with somebody I said “Do you exist? Because I can’t know if that can be true or not” and the guy got annoyed
That made me laugh. It’s the image I have got of heaven
Hah, I gotta remember that one for an argument later. I don’t think nature has any ‘mistakes’ since in natural selection whatever that ‘mistake’ is it has to have some advantage to the species. Or God is an artist and he was experimenting, which ever you like.
As for the believing thing, we just have to trust in whatever gut feeling we got. You can only believe Antarctica is real, it was my point in that everything is a belief and nothing can be ‘known’, since science says that nothing can be proven %100, just supported to an extent to be believed as a truth.
…wha? I’ve never seen air, but there is scientific proof that it exists, as there is for evolution.
Everyone throws around the word “theory” like it proves that evolution is just an idea, but “theory”, in the world of science, means something that is proven to be true. It’s not a theory like ‘Walt Disney was cryogenically frozen’ is a theory, guys.
In science, nothing is ever ‘proven’, new scientific discoveries could change what we thought was reality, like at one time we thought the world was flat. Science keeps the benefit if the doubt.
Also, when I said have you seen evolution, I meant have you ever seen it occurring? Personally, I bet most have not. But scientists have studied it over years and have seen how species change. I’m not trying to disprove evolution, if you read the first word of my post, you will notice that I agree with both.
Well, yes, but there are some things that we’ve pretty much established aren’t going to be disproven. We’re not gonna wake up tomorrow and hear that the Earth went triangular on us.
If tomorrow the Earth went triangular, it would be considered trigular from then. But now, it isn’t. That’s how it works: you don’t have to find the true, you have to find a explanation for how everything in the universe works in this way or another. This is like atoms: you can0t ever know how they are, but the thing is that it doesn’t matter, if you have a system of objective reasonements and explanations that can explain atoms related topics.
Trying to find the absolute true is stupid and impossible, as well as… boring
Why did cavemen/ cavewomen suddenly come out of their caves and start building giant stone structures? How was the Great Pyramid built in only 20 years? Why do the Egyptians in Pyramid drawings have long heads, and many pictures have a ball of light over them, which scientist claim is the Sun? It’s the aliens. THEY gave us intellegence, THEY told our ancestors to build Stonehenge and the Pyramids, and THEY helped us do it. Those “Egyptians” in those drawings with the long heads, long fingers and odd bellies were the aliens!! There were also many smaller creatures with the “Egyptians”, which were also aliens. There is another Earth out there, waiting for us, waiting… Oh, and the evil aliens on Planet X, which I theorize to be Hell (yea, Hell’s a planet) have controlled their planet’s orbit, and are coming towards Earth, and when they get here, they will hurl their moon (Niburu) at us. The gov. will take everyone important into the underground tunnels. Planet X has sent 4 men (the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse) down to Earth. They are: Hitler, Osama bin Laden, George Bush, and Obama, who is also the Antichrist. Dec. 21, 2012= the begining of the end.
I’m actually open to the idea of the universe being created by aliens (setting off the Big Bang). When you think about it, the idea sounds just as plausible as the other creationist stories.
Because, to me, in any scientific field I usually let scientists do their job and learn about the world and then I learn from what they tell me. I’m just really surprised how so many people, especially in the US where there is free and abundant access to knowledge, can say that those scientists are wrong. You wouldn’t go up to a doctor, much less many doctors and tell them all they that are wrong, because you haven’t studied at a university for years and had the experience in the field of medicine to dispute them, but for some reason when it comes to religion, people just choose to block their ears when it comes to the scientific facts about evolution and its likelihood. It just baffles me.
If someone who doesn’t believe in evolution could explain their thought process with still believing in Christian Creationism despite scientific evidence that says otherwise, I’d be really interested to know.
The problem with that is that i don’t need a bachelors to understand creation…that is why the Bible is such a great tool for me. I don’t have to be the greatest scientist to understand things…and i don’t need scientists to tell me what is right and what is wrong. If i do that i lose my freedom to choose.
You don’t need scientist to understand evolution, you don’t need scientist to undertand relativity,etc. If you don’t understand, you ask eople who knows about it. That’s all.
They aren’t going to tell you what is right and what is wrong, at least if they’re bad scientists. You are free to see the universe as you want. They’ll tell you things that are considered objective facts right now, by experience.
Yes, there isn’t an absolute true. But… we don’t need it! At least now. So don’t worry, be happy
If we don’t need scientists to understand evolution, why do we use their findings to decide that evolution occurred?
DAN*E: I’m open to there being aliens, even though I believe that God controlled evolution, since God very well may have created other life forms. I know, I know, the Bible says that we are the most important beings or something, but I don’t really use the Bible anyway. Why would God create all these planets and this vast universe and only put life on one? I just don’t believe that aliens would be able to surpass us to much in the process of evolution. Think about it. They didn’t just jump out of the ground either. They would need to evolve too. And if the only reason we are they way we are is because of them, who made them intelligent? There can’t just be an endless chain, it has to start somewhere. Plus, if Hitler was sent by aliens that have the ability to control us so much, that would imply that he would have far surpassed us in competence, so then how did we beat him?
Finally, how could the leaders we have elected be an alien? The odds are against it. We have to choose who becomes our president. And if aliens controlled who we chose, why would they even have wasted the resources to have had that election in the first place?
PS. Would you be offended if I said you remind me of Buster from Arthur?
rachelcakes: Scientists are people, too. They make mistakes, they misinterpret things. Just because some guy, a human just like you, says that God doesn’t exist and it was all evolution we have to believe them? Honestly, I have a hard time believing the way Earth is is just an accident. It isjust far away enough not to burn and just close enough not to freeze. It just so happens to have an atmosphere that can fully support it’s life forms and keep any unwanted materials out and all the wanted materials in. The universe must have been having a very good day.
Dan*E: What on earth? I hope that you were just taking the mickey or something but that is ridiculous and sounds like something a crazy conspiracy theorist would think up.
Rac Rules: The atmosphere didn’t just happen as I’m sure you can appreciate. But you see, it only has to happen once. That’s all. Just once. We are proof of it happening just this once. Maybe there are other planets out there that came close to having life from some primordial soup, but never quite made it and we are the proof of just that once. But i’m sure in this vast and amazing universe that we are a part of that there are forms of life at various stages in the evolutionary cycle.
And yes, scientists can be wrong. They have proven that before, but so can creationists. And with the evidence before us, it looks more like the creationists are wrong. But there is nothing to say that Evolution and God are incompatible. They are quite compatible. If you are willing to say that God started the evolutionary cycle, well then I’m willing to go that one step further and remove God from the equation.
Rac_Rules- In one part of your post, you rightly say that there is a very vast universe out there- billions and billions of planets, and there’s probably at least one other one that’s just like ours. But then you question what the likelihood is of our Earth being in just the right place to support life, but you’ve answered your own question, because as there are so many planets it’s actually more unlikely for at least one planet not to be able to sustain life. It’s like getting a dice with a billion sides and saying that it will never land on the side numbered 235, 432. There’s a chance that it will land on that side, just a very, very small one.
That’s an interesting theory, Dan*E. I’m not sure if you’re being serious or not, but if you are, I agree that there’s definitely a chance of alien life out there somewhere. Whether those aliens are in any way involved with us, I’m not sure, but they’re probably out there.
I can see how you guys can see that, but still. I find it very hard to believe that a planet that is so friggin perfect for sustaining life is an accident.
bawpcwpn: There is a question I have been wanting to ask and you gave me the opportunity. What evidence? I have seen many comments about how we should “prove” God created the world but what evidence do you have that He didn’t? Yes, there is plenty of evidence that the world changed over time, and that is what I believe. But there is no evidence that I am aware of that can prove that the world was created by the big bang theory or having formed from dust, but yet everyone seems to believe it. Evolution had to start somewhere, so where? Unfortunately in a faith-based religion like my own we have little hard-core evidence to prove our case.
And don’t get me wrong, I’m not exactly sure my religion is right. It very well may be wrong. There is a difference between believing and knowing.
First off, the aliens don’t actually control who we choose. Second, Bush is actually a human-alien hybrid. Him and some other famous people (this is acording to the Discovery Channel).
No. Mainly because I don’t know what Arthur is! Could you tell me?
Just putting what I saw on the History Channel (aka the Speculation, Nazi, Theory, and/or Armageddon Channel) together!
I am serious, and they are involved. Otherwise they would:
a) Not try to hide their existence from us, or
b) Not even have ever been seen.
Plus, they caused the building of many stone structures and dirt patterns only visible from above that were built long ago.
Textbook example of a Burden of Proof fallacy. It’s not on nonbelievers to prove that God didn’t create the world, it’s on religious people to prove he did. I say this in a purely debate-centric sense: if you believe in something nobody has been given sufficient proof even exists, people who don’t believe in it don’t have to prove it doesn’t exist.
Then there’s the “I know God exists and the Bible is true because God wrote the Bible and the Bible is true because God…” argument, which just gives me a headache.
