Well I just watched SiCKO and would recommend you all do the same when you get the chance. Another brilliant
documentary from Michael Moore. I never knew that is what the health care system was like in America. I was
completely gobsmacked.
[spoil]I had tears of joy in my eyes towards the end when he took all
those people to Cuba to recieve medical treatment and they were so glad to get it and for
free.[/spoil]
So yeah, just watch it.
How did you see this? It’s not even released yet, let
alone in Australia! 
No, I’m just playin’. I am planning on seeing this soon. I heard it is a very
important film.
Hmmm, it sounds like an intresting thing to watch. Thanks for telling us.
bawpcwpn - I can assure you that’s nothing like what the healthcare system is like
in America. I have had the displeasure of seeing each of Mr. Moore’s documentaries up until this one which I
have yet to see and each one burns me more and more. They are all filled with biased, single-sided accounts of
the absolute most negative aspects of the American way of life and it sickens me. Numerous people in his movies
have come forward retracting their statements and actions in his films because they were taken out of context.
And as any South Floridian Cuban American can tell you regarding the Cuba-America relationship, Castro will do
anything to make the American government look bad, including give free “wellfare” to American citizens
at the expense of poor east Cuban farmers who are taxed into a dismal existance (something I’m quite sure was
not mentioned in the film). I encourage anyone who watches these documentaries to take them with a grain of salt
and seek out a better ambassador for America than Michael Moore.
Heheh – I’m with Dash on this one…
Dash, I agree 100% with you…I am appalled at what Michael Moore
does. I’ve seen him interview Charleston Heston, a famous actor who is now in his 80’s,or so. Moore made Heston
look like the biggest jerk in the world, which is far from the truth. Moore deceives
so many people, and it’s a very sad thing…Just thinking about him frustrates me. 
I’m going to have to agree
with Dash as well. Moore’s documentaries always confuse me… in Bowling for Columbine, he glorifies Canada in
terms of gun-violence, when honestly, it’s just as bad. If he glorifies the health plan in Canada, I’m
seriously going to laugh.
This morning
they were talkin about this on the radio and how Mike Moore has not patriatism.
Although I didn’t mind F
9/11 cause I am not a fan of Bush.
I completely agree with that.
JesusFreak reminds me of something Clint Eastwood said in
a speach to Hollywood in 2004.
Clint Eastwood: (serious) And Michael Moore, if you ever show up on my lawn
and stick a microphone in my face I WILL kill you.
Audience: (Mild Laughter)
Clint Eastwood:
(serious) No seriously, I WILL kill you.
Audience:
(Silence)
aZnCdn - Ferenheight
9/11 is my absolute MOST abhored of his movies. Whether you like President Bush or not that film was sickening
towards the heroes of that day. To make such a joke about the actions of those in command and on the ground in a
time of national crisis was deplorable - esp. when the event itself (regardless of what you may say about the
events prior and after) was handled so well by the people in charge and the resources and information they had to
go on at the time.
I
didn’t take it take way, I didn’t think his intent was to insult the heros of that day. I think his intent was
to show that Bush had no idea what was going on or what he was doing.
I gotta go with Dash on this one as well. Moore as never
accurately portrayed anything… 
Clint Eastwood said that?? That’s hilaaaarious! I
would’ve been on the floor, haha.
I shouldn’t have seen F9/11 because I’m terrible with American
politics… half the time I didn’t know who Moore was mentioning or what he was talking about. But he obviously
geared the documentary to Americans so they wouldn’t vote for Bush again. Ummm… riiiiight.
Which is a total load of crap and that’s my point. Emergency
Management is a system by which catastrophe is dealt with from the local level up and on the grand
physical scale four plane crashes across three states is a very small disaster
capable of being handled by the emergency teams of Washington DC, Pennsylvania, and New York City & State.
President Bush did them a huge favor by staying out of the rescue from a federal perspective and letting men like
Mayor Giuliani take the helm.
Bush had three priorities which he was responsible for. First was national
security which was accomplished when the capable leaders in the Transportation Department and the FTA (whom Bush
appointed) ordered the grounding of all flights and executed the order flawlessly landing thousands of planes
within only hours and without incidence. The military was also scrambled and the airforce sent to escort
suspicious planes with orders to do everything but shoot them down which could be ordered if necessary by a
direct connection to any one of five people. Second was his own personal security for the sake of continuing
government which was achieved by moving him around the country and keeping his location secret. And finally was
the reassurance of the American people which he did through brief statements from each location, informing the
people that the government was stable and revealing his locations after he was safely away from it of course.
And his return to Washington on the night of the event to show that national security was well protected. To
even portray incompetence of leadership at this time required such a gross misrepresentation of the facts that it
DOES dishonor the heroes by tainting the response to that day.
And
now it’s time for the “Let’s see how many Republicans and Democrats we have on this board” game.
Seriously, though, I’m staying out of this! I’m staying out of it… Don’t…kill me. 
Haha – I agree. That’s great! 
Same here!!!
(I think every political party has it’s problems…)
Dash - I am sure it was very chaotic that day, I won’t
argue that. But it is a no-brainer that you would ground all the planes that day to prevent any further damage.
All he has to do it pick up the phone and give an order; everyone else does the work.
I still question
Bush’s ethics and decisions. Well I don’t want this thread to turn into a huge political debate forum.
And Mitch, I am neither a Republican or Democrat, but I do tend to have more conservative views.
ok - now you have me curious
aZnCdn…
What “ethics and decisions” from that day would you
question???
And of course he just picked up the phone and gave the order. That’s 90% of the President’s
job. To quote Ronald Reagan…
I really just want a definite answer from somebody that defends Ferenheight 9/11
about what President Bush should have done differently that day, given the information that was available at the
time??? It’s not a dificult question, it’s not one that has vague answers, and is one you have to answer if
you’re going to fairly criticize the man.
I wasn’t refering to that particular day, I question his ethics and decisions during his whole term as
president.
ahhh - see now that’s
different.
I was just talking with JF about while I don’t question his ethics as I believe that Bush has
always done what he sincerely thought was right for this nation (whether it ultimately was or not), I also don’t
think he has made all of the right decisions and certainly wasn’t the greatest President of all
time.
What I have a problem with is the questioning of his handling of 9/11 and the beratement of his
performance during that crisis when no one can give a clear, concise criticism of his performance in that
situation. And that’s exactly what Michael Moore does.
Everyone makes mistakes. There are a lot of
people out there who aren’t perfect but are in jobs where they’re expected to be so and there are some of those
that are even worse. But when someone does execute something so important very well, they deserve to be lauded
for that performance.