^^ That I agree with 
Politics is way too complicated
for me to get involved. I figure, at the end of the day, it doesnât matter who I do or donât support- itâs not
really gonna make much difference in the general scheme of things.
Iâd
like to say just because Bush did something he thought was ârightâ for the nation, doesnât cover for
what is truly ârightâ. A pastor killed a doctor who performed abortions because he thought what he was
doing was ârightâ. Iâm not going to pretend like I know everything about US politics because I
donât. Itâs all quite confusing to me actually. I sit through an episode of the West Wing wondering how it is a
president gets elected or a senator comes into power. However I donât think George Bush has done right by his
country or the world. I think I have the right to say the world because the president of the US is often reffered
to as the âLeader of the Free Worldâ. I think the US has bullied other nations into joining the War on
Terror. I think George Bush is doing what is good for his daddyâs companies and his cronies businesses.
"oh Iâve got a good idea, lets pretend that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and invade them
and remove saddam and steal the oil. Oh and because we can call it War, lets give the military supplies contract
to one of daddyâs companies that produces it all and daddy can become mega-rich. And lets remove all of these
peoples rights and get permission to do so by telling congress its all part of us being in this war on
terror."
And lastly, in what instance did George Bush execute something on 9/11 that deserved to be
lauded?
Do you honestly
think that the Presidentâs main goal is to make his father wealthy?
I have
my own thoughts and opinions but I am just going to stay out of thisâŠ
well I donât think itâs his main goal.
Certainly one of his goals though. Run a country, give military contracts to daddy and Dick and let them get
super-rich from needless wars. The sooner Dubbyah is out of power, the better. This doesnât mean I side with the
terrorists or think Saddam was a great guy. Both a terrible, but there are better ways of dealing with things
than war. War was just a really good option for olâ George because it meant that Daddy and Dick and the rest of
his cronies get lots of money from war supplies contracts.
Iâm
sure that his fatherâs (And Cheneyâs) wealth was the farthest thing from his mind, my friend.
Haha, oopsâŠ
Haha. I think Iâm just gonna stay out of
this thread⊠
Me too.
Iâm sorry but I am going to have to disagree with you there. But we are all
entitled to our own opinions. Hope we can still be friends though! 
Of course! Friendship should never be put in
jeopardy because of politics. 
Yeah,
sorry the global media likes to forget that we DID find WMDs in Iraq. They really like to forget that over here
too but there WERE WMDs and we have proof that Sadam Hussein WAS seeking nuclear weapons and that he was in talks
with Al Qaida. Of course I canât expect too many non-Americans to be moved by that since not too many other
nations would be high on his list of priority targets.
I would also hardly say other nations have been
âbulliedâ into joining the War on Terror. Last time I checked we hadnât forced another country to
commit funds or troops on the threat of anihilation. Weâve cut ties with some countries that have opted to stay
âneutralâ since thereâs obviously no need to support them since they seem to believe theyâre
invulnerable to terrorism and donât require our existance to ensure theirs. Thatâs ok though, because now that
we know which of our neighbors arenât interested in helping us assure our very survival I think we know where
our time, money, and efforts are going to waste.
And would you people PLEASE get off of this oil bit???
Do you know how much oil the US has received from Iraq since the war began??? ZERO!!! Perhaps you havenât
heard but or gas prices have nearly doubled in that time. The money from all of this is going into rebuilding
the nation of Iraq. They sell their oil and it goes to other nations in the region that will buy it. We still
get the bulk of ours from the Saudiâs and a handful of other friendly Arab states.
Of course the big news
flash in all of this is that defense contracts are going to the same people that had them before the war. The
same people that have had them going all the way back Nam - long before the Bushâs and the Cheneyâs came into
power. And whereâs this money coming from??? Not Iraq as weâve already cleared that up - itâs coming from
the American people. But ya know hereâs the kicker. Unemployment and poverty are at some of their lowest
levels in US history much like they were during NAM, Korea, and the 2 World Wars. See a pattern? Think it could
have anything to do with the fact that more people get employed in good paying jobs with good benefits to make
these munitions?
Also, no American has lost ANY rights. I challenge one American to show me a right that
has been taken away from them.
And lastly, what deserves to be lauded about President Bush on 9/11. First
letâs look at what he didnât do. He didnât go in, guns ablazing blowing the hell out of the Middle East the
next day. Afghanistan was the only nation with which our relationship changed following the attack. He didnât
try to assume control of the situation on the ground and be the big hero. He let the natural order of government
take its course to maxmize its efforts. He didnât try to seize power in the government by declaring Marshall
Law or even assert his authority over the military which would have been his Constitutional right. Now what did
he do? He ordered the nation back to work and school the next day, minimizing ecconomic destruction. He
returned to Washington that night against the will of the Secret Service to reassure the people of National
Security. He ordered the Vice-President into hiding at an undisclosed location to ensure a continuity of
Government in the future.
I make no appologies for anything this nation has done. Weâve gone out of our
way to protect innocent lives at the expense of our own money, time, and fine young men and women. Weâve worked
to spread freedom and democracy throughout the world by strengthening our allies and forging new ones across the
globe. If you donât want to get involved then donât but donât expect us to be all buddy-buddy and supportive
of your decision. Weâve given quite a bit to this world since December 7, 1941 (for those of you down on your
history thatâs the day that Japan told us we could never again be isolationists). Since then weâve fought back
with our allies the impending danger of first Germany and then the Soviet Union. Now weâve been told not to
worry the UN can handle it. September 11, 2001 told us no they canât and things really arenât that different
than in 1941. The only difference now is our enemy is a scum that fights not under the guise of any one nation
but behind the human shields of innocent men, women, and children. Itâs not always pleasant what we must do but
weâve given a lot for this Earth; do not ask us to sacrifice our own security here at home now too.
God
bless America!
And yes - at the end of
the day I hope we are all still friends united in our common passions.
But I do think it is important to
have discussions like this where we explore our differences. Only then can we fully understand one another and
begin to blaise new trails together where we reach across ideological lines and work together and overcome those
odds.
Dash does his homework.
Iâm afraid I will have to step
out now as well, since Iâm not part of the US. But hey, Iâm up for a Canadian politics discussion when the time
comes.
Heheh â yeah, there yaâ go! I was just thinking about that
earlier, actually. No matter what our views and opinions, we all manage to get along quite peacefullyâŠ
Ah- Politics! I think iâm just going to stick to animation, its a lot less
frightening
Do you like the current Prime Minister, Steve Harper? I havenât live in Canada for
the past 7 years, so I have kind of fallen out of Canadian politics.
We might as well rename this thread
to the politics thread
I am a Conservative, and do support Stephen
Harper. The conservative party only has a minority government over Canada, but Iâm glad the Liberals lost power
because their party was corrupt and did nothing for our country. Liberals like to refer to Harper as
âBushâs lackyâ and stuff like that, because they think the two are so much alike⊠and Canadians just
donât want to be like America. I disagree with this⊠but⊠well⊠Iâll only go full throttle if there are
other Canadians who are willing to debate.