The Hunchback of Notre Dame

i don’t know if you read a lot of historical fiction or not, but I doubt you’d find a single historical fiction novel written since 1900 that does not reference something that comes after the novel takes place.

In Dating Hamlet: Ophelia’s Story by Lisa Fielder, a story told from Ophelia’s perspective, Hamlet makes references to girls wearing pants in the future and also talks of people capturing lighting so that they could work at night, which was the original purpose of electricity. But of course, Hamlet is set in the ninth century A.D., a long time before Benjamin Franklin came along.

In Harvard Yard by William Martin, there is a woman in the 1850’s who has a copy of a lost Shakespeare play, and she hides it so that no one can find it until women are allowed to attend Harvard or 2030, whichever comes first. And while there were some women’s right’s movements going in the 1850’s, none of them were so radical as to want women attending Harvard so badly that they’d keep a serious piece of literature from the public eye. This was Martin’s own feelings about women’s right’s intervening. If Martin had been born fifty years before he was and had written that book, it would not have included that. At all.

There are countless examples, but the point is that it is difficult to separate the historical from the modern. Even if you say, “But they can look this stuff up in a book to see that it didn’t exist or couldn’t have been!”, you must see that it is not (most of the time), alips on the part of the author or moviemakers. It is because the audience of the work lives in the modern day. You do not live in fourteenth century France, and so you know about gambling and barbershops. And while the gargoyles shouldn’t–living in the time period they do–it is something that they would know about if time weren’t linear. In fact, it is almost impossible for anyone who has read The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, like myself, to think of time as linear. It isn’t. If it were, the very idea of the time machine would be inconceivable. H.G. Wells introduced us to it, though. And Douglas Adams combined it with space travel in such a way that makes it impossible for you to ever go back to thinking of time as linear.

Of course, Douglas Adams’ books are also full of crazy shenanigans, but the point is that audiences can relate to stuff from their own time in a way that a purely authentic historical book or movie can’t.

As for the gargoyles in pertanence to the book–they exist in the book, though it is not clear if the gargoyles talk back to Quasimodo or not. He couldn’t hear them if they did, since he is deaf. And actually, as Gothic as the idea of live gargoyles would be, they would have been cruel and menancing if they had actually been alive in Hugo’s novel. Not quirky and comic. However, the movie is adult enough as it is. This is like what I read in a book where there were reviews of many Disney movies…under Mulan it said that the movie would have been better without Mushu. If that movie had not had Mushu, it would not have appealed to kids at all. It would just be a depressing war movie. Oh, and a movie about “women should stay in the home, cook, clean, and take care of the children” and one women who fights against that principle, though not actively. In fact, Mulan does not see anything wrong with it. She thinks she’s the one who is wrong. Now see, that makes sense for her time period, but they broke the mold with the crossdressing…

I don’t read that genre of books. It just feels weird though that they reference things that haven’t happened yet.

Well, it’s not weird…even Shakespeare had references to clocks in Julius Caesar, and of course he knew that clocks didn’t exist in 44 B.C.

I meant Disney. Was it Disney? Haven’t watched it in a long time.

Boy Meets World is Disney. It aired on ABC Family, which is a Disney TV station. Of course, Disney owns ESPN too…but ABC Family is a family-oriented channel and more of what people think of as “Disney” than ESPN or Marvel.

Don’t go making claims you can’t prove when you are only using your memory. Many other TV/movie stuff talked about or made references to God in a respectful manner in the 1990’s. Disney did as well. It wasn’t until South Park and Family Guy became big that people thought it was okay to bash everything sacred.

Please, be polite, Lover_of_Fiction.

In fact, reading the whole conversation, Pixarfan isn’t making such a claim: He’s saying he would be surprised if Disney mentioned God and the Devil today. Then you say it was a common occurrence in 97 and that “Many other TV/movie stuff talked about or made references to God in a respectful manner in the 1990’s”, which isn’t today, and not what he was talking about.

Anyhow, even if Pixarfan had done what you say, that doesn’t justify speaking in such a rude manner. And if you’re talking about doubtful claims, then you may need to revisit this sentence:

While anachronisms are pretty common in literature, your declaration about one not being able to find a piece of work that goes without them isn’t any truer than the things you claim Pixarfan to say.

Okay, you proved me wrong Lover_of_Fiction, It was Disney. Like I said, I wasen’t much of a fan of the show so I didn’t watch it much.

But I’m saying they don’t do it as much today. Some before think you shoulden’t say Christmas on T.V.

My favorite thing about tHoND is the music. It is my favorite Disney score, after Pocahontas. This movie is also very beautiful in design and backgrounds.

I agree. I really loved the music in the film as it shows how dark the movie can be. Anyway, what did you guys think of NC’s review for Hunchback?

I licked his review, I thought he summed it perfectly. I kinda disagree with him on The Lion King though.

Did you lick the computer screen? :laughing: Nah, I’m just messin’ with ya.

Haha, that was funny.

That made me laugh a lot, queen_of_painting

God I suck at typing, my bad. :laughing: I liked his review.

I enjoyed it. What he said about the gargoyles I completed agreed with.

I wondwe what he will say in his Home on the Range review. Also glad he’s a fan of Frollo.

I’m glad he loves Frollo. He’s definitely one of the most dangerous and insane villains from Disney.

I think he said Frollo is what most people remember about the movie.

That’s what he said.

It seems everyone hates the gargoyles.