Toy Story 3 Academy Award for Best Picture

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#201

Yeah, good points there, Bryko. I mean, TSN was unique for having an anti-hero character as the protagonist. There’s also the question of his loyalties, moralities, his motives, etc. Some people like this enigma or mystery, and I love morally-contradicted characters (good guys have bad qualities, bad guys have codes of honour, etc.). But I prefer to be clear by the end whether the protagonist redeems himself as a hero, or fails and becomes the villain. Here, it’s left open-ended. Did he rip off the twins’ idea? Was he inventing by osmosis?

The fact he betrayed his best friend and sucked up to Timberlake’s character did it in for me. Again, some people see no reason why a hero can’t be ambiguous, but I want to be able to ‘root’ for the good guy. Even if he is a despicable scoundrel, he must have redeeming qualities (like Jack Sparrow and his laissez-faire attitude, House and his brilliant wit, Tony Stark and his sheer audaciousness). Here, Zuckeberg is a self-indulgent neurotic who is too arrogant to admit his own shortcomings.

Sorry for the rant. But yeah, I can see how you might interpret it differently, and you certainly have presented some interesting viewpoints I haven’t thought of before. It is indeed a well-crafted film, and I did feel the appropriate reactions of mirth, outrage, and suspense throughout, so it did its job of entertaining me. But ultimately, I can’t bear to watch it again because it is incredibly depressing and none of the characters (even Zucker’s girlfriend) endeared themselves to me.

As for your last paragraph, I would suggest that HTTYD had just as daring an ending as TS3. Tangled is a classic ‘Start with a death’ trope that has been done before with films like Mission Impossible 3, and had a fairly predictable ending. With regards to the rest of the plot, I suppose TS3 had more emotional peaks and valleys, while HTTYD had more ‘fun and games’ segments that ultimately contributed little to the central characters’ relationships. Again, some people like rollercoasters, others like merry-go-rounds. I like merry-go-rounds with regards to films… although I prefer rollercoasters in real-life. :slight_smile:

#202

If anyone’s interested, here’s the ‘Best Picture’ montage for this year.

youtube.com/watch?v=dXcSuvvz_9E

Three reasons why I hate this:

  1. They used ‘Creep’ from Vega Choir, which was used in TSN’s trailer. I really hate that song, it gives me the… creeps. Could this be a hint to the eventual winner? It would be a surprise, since The King’s Speech is tipped as the frontrunner.

  2. They picked great and poignant scenes for the other nominees, but for TS3, they spliced a montage of the trailer footage with the terrible “Lincoln Logs” line dubbed over it.

  3. They placed TS3 as the last film, and not in the middle or in the front. It’s as if they’re sending the message that animated films come second after live-action. Or maybe they intended it as a ‘last, but not least’, in which case, why take the chance animation fans might misunderstand such an intention?

Frankly, I think the only reason I’ll bother tuning in this year is to see who wins Best Animated Ghetto and to stare at the lovely Anne Hathaway in the hopes she’ll be plugging Rio somewhere in the show. :neutral_face:

#203

Wow, of all the lines to use, even from the trailers alone, it had to be the lincoln logs one. Arguably the worst line in the movie. The line that made me doubt TS3 even having a chance of being nominated before seeing it. I’m sure they’ll pay more respect to the movie during the actual awards show, though, as they did with Up.

#204

Yes, it’s absurd they used a song related to one of the nominees.

On the other hand, I didn’t care about Toy Story’s placement (the most probable thing was they choose the order randomly). In fact, I like that the whole thing ends with Woody. After all, it will be the last image in the heads of the viewers.

But yes, the election of the line of dialog for it was horrible.

#205

I actually thoroughly enjoy the music used in that video! I think it’s great.

However, I do agree that it was a horrible choice in clips and in lines.

They should have used the part and the end of the movie when Andy is playing with the toys for one last time with Bonnie. Or when Andy hands over Woody, a very emotional moment in the movie.

#206

I would have left it dialog free. Just a nice image montage.

And I also think the music suits it well, but as it’s related to The Social Network it shows certain partiality.

#207

Yeah, I like the song, but I don’t know if it fits the video well. It’s definitely recognizable from TSN if you’ve ever seen it before.

#208

For some reason, a lot of “experts” think We Belong Together is going to beat If I Rise for Best Song. Is this because the Academy will feel bad for giving TS3 only one award when last year Up earned two? (Especially since TS3’s score won a Grammy).

I know it doesn’t have to do with its Best Picture nomination, but to be honest, even if TS3 had any chance of winning Best Picture, I don’t really think it deserves it. For me, Toy Story 3 has the Inception effect of me enjoying it immensely on the first few viewings, but afterwards it drops in quality for me. When I see it now I keep reminding myself of how much I used to like it, in an attempt to mask any flaw(s) I find now. I’ll give it another chance as I’m going to see it again tonight. In the end, I have to admit that I don’t vote for Toy Story 3 on the various online preference-polls. I would love to see 127 Hours win the Oscar, but I know that is a nonexistent possibility too. This all brings me back to the fact that the Academy is predictable, and their decisions rarely match up with the “general” opinions. This isn’t a bad thing (even if we occasionally make it out to be), but the fact that they label themselves as the single award show for the entire cinematic medium, when in reality they’re a group of old men and women all with very similar likes and dislikes, is a huge letdown not only to people who don’t research and prepare for the Oscars, but people who do.

:neutral_face: -Nick

EDIT:
On the video being discussed above, I understand the Academy doesn’t like TS3 as much as other nominees, but did they have to address that fact so frequently throughout the video?

#209

ya i agree out of all the lines to choose from in toy story 3, they pick the lincoln logs one which has nothing to do with its story. they should have chose lines about andy, or lotso saying to woody “he don’t want you no more” or “you think your special cowboy” or “your a piece of plastic, you were made to be thrown away” anyways lol, it doesnt matter. toy story 3 was a great movie, and it deserves best picture especially for having an original story idea for a “third film.” the acadmey should keep in mind that not alot of “third films”, are good and dont make it…

#210

Day and Night- Best Animated short- Lost.
Toy Story 3- Best Animated Picture- Won.

#211

So disappointing about Day and Night. But at least The Lost Things is nonetheless a really good film.

#212

I’m so happy TS3 won best animated :smiley:
No real surprise there though. How to Train Your Dragon was great, especially for a DreamWorks film, but it wasn’t near the quality of TS3. And, like most people, I haven’t seen The Illusionist.
Hope it also wins Best Film. I know it probably won’t, but it should.

#213

I don’t think it should, if it did, more people would make animated films, some of those could be good, Pixar would be less likey to win an award and may get less money. It may also hurt the oscars.

#214

Yeah, tis’ a shame, but as I have seen neither one, and I like Shaun Tan’s work, I’m glad that he won in a weird kind of sense.

It is my humble opinion that Pixar should win. It will destroy the ‘glass ceiling’ of animated films that was denied to Up and Beauty and the Beast. If more movies get made, that merely results in more competition, and Pixar will simply get better as it ups the ante. Less competition will simply result in Pixar getting lacklustre, as seen in its move towards sequels and TV shows in Pixar Canada. Any true animation fan doesn’t want to see the industry being dominated or monopolised by a single studio, critically or commercially.

As for the Oscars, I don’t think an animated film winning the title will hurt it. In fact, it will boost ratings as people will get excited about the fact an animated film actually stands a chance against live-actions, and will tune in for next year’s broadcast. The ratings for the Awards has been in decline because it’s getting stale and predictable, and the increase in nominees to ten was meant to shake things up a bit.

#215

We Belong Together is Best Original Song! Second time for Randy Newman, both times with Pixar!

#216

“We Belong Together” just won Best Original Song
Woot :smiley:
EDIT: SoA beat me to it, darn! :stuck_out_tongue:

That was definitely one of my favorite songs of 2010, and the montage they showed of TS3 when Randy Newman was preforming it was so sweet and almost made me cry :wink:

Plus, did you guys see the “Academy Film Musical” that autotuned clips of 2010’s best films, Gregory Brothers-style?! Hilarious! (TS3 was part of it, of course) Reminds me that Best Accidental Singer needs to be a category at the Grammy’s :stuck_out_tongue:

#217

Darn, lost to The King’s Speech. It should’ve won, but I didn’t think it would anyway. Oh well, it still won Best Animated, Best Original Song, and standa in history as both the Highest-Grossing Film of 2010 and the #1 Animated Film of All Time. Good job, Pixar. I’m going to bed now :wink:

#218

As Spielberg wisely said, it will join the likes of Citizen Kane and Raging Bull. Not bad.

#219

Even though it didnt win Best Pic, which i knew it wouldn’t, it still won best animated film, and best original song! Congrats to pixar!

Here are photos I put up of the awards

accesspixar.blogspot.com/2011/02 … ademy.html

#220

I’m so friggin’ annoyed. Not by the fact that it didn’t win Best Picture per se, but what it means is that animated movies will never stand a chance against the (Academy-favored?) live-action features.

Might as well not bothered throwing your name in the hat from now on, because you just cannon win this thing. If Toy Story 3 cant win it this year, there’s no chance at all, ever.