Why the sequals?

The Pixar Studio & People
#1

Sorry if this topic is a bit bad speled but its been a while since I’ve been here and I’m dutch so here goes anyway. (Don;t know if anyone remebers me anyway :smiley: )

Why is everyone so hyped up about sequals to existing movies of pixar?
It seems that every movie that Pixar makes this day is expected to have a sequal in the comming 3 years or something.

I always tought of Pixar to be a innovating movie comapny that instead of using live actor uses the media of 3D arts to make movies. And they always try to make innovative movies and to make something new that has not been tried before.
So why is everyone hyped up for sequals?
I mean, most of Pixars’ movies are closed up nicely and don’t really need a sequal anyway so why bother?
In my opinion they should use their resources for new projects anytime (except when its for the Incredibles2 or more they can never make enough Incredibles movies lol) instead of putting time and effort in old franchises that have been closed really well whith the first movie.
A good example is the Monster inc. movie. A solid good enjoyable movie from start to end with a good ending and no need for a sequal.
the same goes for The Incredibles or Finding Nemo. Great movies, but with no real need for a sequal.
So why does everyone seem to ask for sequals?

(If this topic doesn’t seem to make any sense, I blame it on the Yagermeister)

#2

Same reason I get hyped for other PIXAR movies; because PIXAR has never done a bad movie IMO. I’m just a bit more excited for sequels than originals (Well, most originals. WALL-E not counted) because it has characters I know and love.

#3

Sequels can be good, to see characters you know learn something else, and meet a new character that grows throughout the movie. However, though I don’t really look foward to sequels as excitedly as fresh new original films, I trust Pixar to give an amazing film, sequel or orignal. Pixar is awesome, and can deliver a well-thought-through sequel as well as a magnificent new one.

#4

Well, sequels are great because we can see the characters we love and think about every day in new situations. However, I agree with you that Pixar does do an extremely good job at wrapping things up completely to the point where it doesn’t need a sequel.

Ratatouille (looks at avatar and signature) is my favorite movie. If I was just a bit crazier, I’d hop on the first flight to San Francisco, kidnap John Lasseter and Brad Bird, and torture them Casino Royale style until they agree to do more movies of everyone’s favorite blue rat. But Ratatouille was wrapped up perfectly. I’ve thought long and hard about this, and there aren’t too many directions that you could take it, and the directions that you could take it don’t have enough substance to make a good movie (i.e., new competition opens up down the street, or Remy has a son… I don’t know, I’m bad at making up stuff :slight_smile:). The whole point of Ratatouille in the first place was to portray the message that anyone no matter who they are or where they come from can do anything. The movie illuminated the moral flawlessly, and now, since the conflict was resolved, there is no where to go.

If you continue sequels, you have something like Shrek (I’m sorry TSS that I have to use it as an example, but it applies here). The point of Shrek was to tell that outward appearances don’t matter, and that stereotyping and racism is bad. That got resolved when Shrek beat the evil Farquaad and he and Fiona got married. End of story, right?

Wrong. Shrek got reused and thrown into another situation without a true moral or point to support it. They try to recycle the same idea as the previous movie, but, because it feels so similar and stale as the last movie, it (in my and I’m sure a few other’s opinions) was not as good. The same problem happened in Shrek 3.

That’s why I’m a bit puzzled on Cars 2, and its appearance worries my about how tight a grip Disney has on Pixar now. Cars ended on the highest note possible, the egotistical and selfish protagonist changed completely and ended up sacrificing his dream to help others. Great! Conflict resolved, moral taught. There isn’t a good way (once again, in my opinion) to continue the story. I personally don’t want to see another story extremely similar to the original cars. But, as time goes on and more of the story is revealed, we’ll have to see if it can live up to Pixar’s standard quality.

So I agree with you completely, Vekoma! If Pixar were to make a sequel (besides Toy Story, but the way that they progressed the story by Andy growing up in a really cool idea that has worked well), I would think that they would do it with The Incredibles, because that has limitless possibilities. I mean, just look at any comic book. Spiderman alone must have thousands of comics and almost a dozen separate series (Amazing, Ultimate, etc.). Not to mention The Incredibles has also done well with merchandise (though most likely not as well as Cars, but probably close).

My two cents. Don’t stone me.

(Oh, and if Mr. Lasseter or Mr. Bird happens to be reading this, I would love a Ratatouille sequel. Pretty please?! :smiley:)

#5

Pixelated: Ratatouille left nothing to be explained and if you took back that “fin”, i’d be sooooooo mad, cuz that movie ends so beautifully and the ending deserves not to be ruined with questions.

#6

Ratatouille 2: Electric Boogaloo. I’d see it.

People ask for sequels because they become so enamored with characters in the first movie that they want another and another and can mingle in the characters without end.

#7

That also happens to be how fan fiction was born. XD I’m all for sequels, but only if there’s a goo idea, and that’s the only time PIXAR says they do them. Hense I trust them.

#8

Thanks for the grewat repliea and aguements sofar everyone!
I should have told this in the first place eprhaps but one of the reasons I am asking this is because a friend of mine is going to wrap up his psychology studies this year and he is making a case study about fandom and how far people will go to have things in their way and to ‘defend’ their idols (being a sports team, a singer or a movie etc.)
We had some great arguements with people sofar being in chat sessions, on forums or in person (he even had a hour long show for a couple of weeks on a local radio station where people could call in and tell him their stories about being a fan)

anyway if Pixar would make a sequal just to deliver fanservice.
Would you see the movie trough your ‘fansight’ and even think its a great movie when it’s really not so great? (i.E. the shrek sequals)
And would you try to prove everyone wrong if they tell you it was only a half baked product?

#9

That last part was meant as a joke. I said I didn’t want a Ratatouille sequel in the second paragraph of my long post!

And to reply to your question, Vekoma, I doubt Pixar would make a sequel simply for fanservice and money making, but Disney might. Honestly, if a Ratatouille sequel does pop around, I’ll be running around screaming with happiness, so when I do eventually see the film, I’d probably be a bit biased, even if the quality was not as good as Pixar’s previous films. That said, a bad movie is a bad movie. Lion King was a work of art, but the sequel (and especially 1.5), was terrible. Same with Mulan, Lilo and Stich, etc. I loved the original characters, but the sequels were terrible. So, if the movie is terrible, I wouldn’t defend it no matter how awesome, cuddly, cute, blue, funny… um… the characters… uh…

Oh, come here Remy! I could never hate you! hug

#10

Yeah, I don’t like sequels.

Even Monsters, Inc…Every day, I long to see some new footage of Randall doing something. Anything. He could be sitting on the sofa watching TV for all I care. I mean, if I saw that, I’d have a panic attack or something.

Despite that, I don’t think I would support a sequel to Monsters, Inc. In the past, I have, but too much time has passed and I’d much rather Pixar focused on new movies. I love almost all of the characters they’ve created, but no matter how much I love them, even to the point of obsessing about them, I don’t want Pixar to sacrifice on their stories and original ideas.

So, if I had to choose between a sequel and an original movie, even if the sequel was of my favourite Pixar film and included my favourite Pixar character EVER, I’d have to go for the original movie.

Even if I am sometimes very curious about what happens after a Pixar film is finished…

#11

I like sequels but only if the sequel is amzing or just as good and successful as the first one. Now some Pixar movies I wish would not have one. THey ended perfectly and show no need to continue, such as MI and FN. But I think TI opens lots of sequel possiblities. THis is one where I am praying to make in the near future. Now I can’t say if it is a good idea or a bad one, but TI ended their movie leaving the idea for one open. There are bound to be more incredible adventures with our favorite family of supers, and I would like to see some, if it can be done amazingly.

Off-Topic: hey Vekoma, I haven’t seen you in like a year or so! Welcome back!

#12

Pixelated:

u said you’d love a Ratatouille sequel. Why are u telling me otherwise?

#13

Because I’m torn. I want more Remy, but I don’t want Remy ruined. But I want original movies too! Wall-E looks amazing (13 days away! Squee!), and I’m sure Up! and Newt will be awesome too!

I guess my position is that if I sequel is made, I want just as much care to be put into it as the original, which Pixar has definitely done with Toy Story 2. What I don’t want is the barrage of direct-to-video sequels that Disney seems to pump out. We’ll have to see with Cars 2. With Cars 2, if it is just as good or better than the original Cars, then we can all breathe a sigh of relief and I won’t be so worried if sequels come along. I’ll welcome them! If it is any worse, then we may have something to worry about.

#14

Yeah, gotta agree with Pixelated on the Ratatouille sequel. While it’d be cool, I couldn’t see it going well. It’s just not one of those films that ends in a way where there’s room for such a thing.

Cars? That I can see with more story added on. That, I believe, is gonna work.

Incredibles? Could…Fine, I’ll just make a list here.

Toy Story: Duh. Has been and will be again.

Bug’s Life:…Uh… Maybe. I could work, but I’m not sure. I’m having trouble thinking of an adventurous complication after how that ended, aside from the usual “bad guys change mind and return” crud.

Monster’s INC: For having such a imply more ending, I’m having trouble seeing this with a sequel.

Nemo: NO. 99% SURE WOULD NOT WORK. DO NOT WANT. What are we gonna do, lose Nemo AGAIN? Repeat the cycle? Nuh uh. Unless you like, did a spin off with the aquarium crew, which could make for a good short, but a whole movie? …Meeeh…

Incredicles: Yes. Superhero stuff tends to be easy to sequel. Make a new villain and ta da! Sequel time! It could work.

Cars: Obviously PIXAR thinks they can do it, and I can see this working great.

Ratatouille: No. Too closed. I can see fan fiction quality sequels, but not PIXAR movi quality ones. (No offense to fan writers. I am one of you.)

WALL-E: What am I, a press member? I haven’t seen it yet. I have no idea. XD

#15

I should just put this in my sig, and have done with it, I seem to keep bringing it up so many times: I trust Pixar to, at the worst, make a decent film no matter whether it’s a sequel or new. And I learned a long time ago with Monster’s Inc not to pre-judge one of their movies. :slight_smile:

#16

I think the only movies that should have a sequel is The Incredibles. I think Nemo and Monsters are perfect where they end. The others, I have mixed opinions on.

#17

They don’t need sequels. But if Pixar decides to make one, I trust them to make a good one.

#18

I can trust them too, but keep in mind making sequels to follow up an incredible first film is hard. There are expectations to meet, but if anyone can do it, Pixar most certainly can.

#19

Well in any case, a sequel has a chance from the original for awhile. chuckles I mean, afterall, Indiana Jones had his fourth movie…what? Ten or so years from the original three.

#20

Because just because it’s a sequel, that doesn’t mean it can’t also be inovative. Because just because it’s a sequel, that doesn’t mean it’s a sell-out. Because just because it’s a sequel, that doesn’t inherently make it a ‘bad’ (story) movie.

I get excited for Pixar sequels because I seem them in just as much light as I would an ‘original’ upcoming Pixar flick like UP, or newt.

And because I don’t think Pixar is just going to start making ‘franchises’ out of every last movie they make, I trust that the sequels they do make will be good. Now if the day comes 10 years down the road that they’re trying to make a ‘2’ for all of their older movies like Monsters, Nemo, etc… THEN I might be worried. (As in, if they started announcing a bunch of sequels all in a row as the next 4+ upcoming Pixar films.)