Too bad Christmas is mainly a lot of stolen pagan traditions mashed together.
Did you even read that line. It’s the clause after that which protects religion practice “prohibiting the free exercise thereof”, and the one before it that seperates it from the government, “no law respecting an establishment of religion”.
bawpcwpn
Free wil includes evil tendencies and choices…you can’t have free will and no evil.
Fetti101
Yes…no religion should be declared as national…that isn’t directed at Christianity…it resembles all religions.
If this isn’t what you are saying plese go farther onm the subject.
Wale
Did you know that Christmas wasn’t celebrated until St. Patrick helped convert a pagan group of their sacrificial tendencies…that is how Christmas was basically started.
Holly is becuase the people would bribng in smelling holly leaves into their homes to decorate it. The idea of Christmas trees was also done by this group. They would bring in branches of the pine to decorate and bring in a scent that would be welcoming.
I don’t see what your saying other then this…
in that report it says nothign about st patrick
“But the most important date in the festive season for Pagans is the winter solstice which always takes place around December 21. Called Yule, it is one of the traditional Celtic fire festivals and marks the return of the light after the longest night of the year.”
Nope. Nothing.
But i’m sure that patrick helped instill these pagans with the idea of Christianity and Christmas…you might want to look this group up a little more to make sure its different.
Dudes, we are SUPPOSED to be debating Evolution and Creation, not Christmas. BOT
We’ve been Off topic for a long time.
If there was no religion then Christians wouldn’t be here and the moral standard would be whatever people made it…like Hitler.
There are three kinds of truths
1-Revealed Truths-Truths revealed by a supernatural being
2-Individual Truths-Truths derived from the individual
3-Majority Truths-Truths that sway with the majority…
Now your saying that Individual truth is correct…well that means that anyone who murders another person, that is his truth??
Anyone on this topic??
so basically, you think killing gays and surpressing women is moral?
No…gays are another subject that i’ve already discussed and women aren’t being suppressed in my church…are they being suppressed in yours??
Gays-will get punished but not by me…
Women-God can use whoever he wants to lead even if that is a women. I would rather have a man but that isn’t my choice.
Why would you rather have a man?
I don’t go to chirch, but YOUR BOOK says you shoudl kill gays:
(Leviticus 20:13)
Because they can take pressure better then a women (in my opinion)
i think 20;14a sums up death for that group…
“Thay shall be burned with fire, both he and they, that there may be no wickedness among you.”
Burn in fire in hell when they die…
We also use Love your neighbor as yourself as an example of what we should do with those types of people.
As a Christian i’m not allowed to kill someone through justice or law becuase that is what God does either now or later.
So killing gays has to be Old Testemand meaning that Jesus has revised those…
Matthew 5;17-19
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
here’s another…
The Tyndale commentary also makes the same point in these words:
“This passage does not therefore state that every Old Testament regulation is eternally valid. This view is not found anywhere in the New Testament, which consistently sees Jesus as introducing a new situation, for which the law prepared (Galatians 3:24), but which now transcends it. The focus is now on Jesus and his teaching, and in this light the validity of Old Testament rules must now be examined. Some will be found to have fulfilled their role, and be no longer applicable…others will be reinterpreted”
Hope this helps…
Yes, yes you can have free will. Can you conceive of how God created the universe in “6 days”? No, but that doesn’t mean you don’t have free will. God could have made it so we could never conceive of evil and we would still have free will. Free will only extends so far as what we can conceive of. If we can’t conceive of evil, we still have our free will to whatever else. It’s not like anyone would go “Oh I wish I could do evil things” because they wouldn’t be able to conceive of what an evil thing is to want to be able to do it.
The Bible is a very poor standard of what morals should be as it contradicts itself quite frequently, and there is no guide or key as to picking out the good morals from the bad ones in the Bible.
If there was no religion, humans would still have morals. Not everyone is a Christian or religious, so not everyone follows the religious moral standards of that given faith, but the world still isn’t an awful place. In fact, when was the last time an atheist started a war to opress others? I know one that Christianity started: the crusades.
If indeed it does turn out that God does not exist, as I am most sure it will, then it will be proven that the moral guidelines set out in the bible were created by mere men. I don’t think you give men enough credit Al-Bob. We humans are far more capable than you realize and we don’t need a God to tell us good from bad.
Para-1
can i conceive how God created it?? Maybe…i have an imagination.
You didn’t contraidct my statement…all your saying is that free will dones’t mean we have the ability to create evil…how?? When you choose between two choices there is one that is good and one that is evil…how can you have free will and the ability to not create evil. Your dodging bullets by trying to hit them with a bullet…
Para-2 How does it conradict itself?? i have always seen great morals created by the bible…please tell me where it has bad morals…
Para-3 Its called Individual truths…good grief i’ve already talked about this…look at the previous posts. Your moving towards Individual truths as the basis for truths…
Para-4 But men all have individual truths that they use…but what if the bible is correct and God exists…Your statement is perfect with this example…
Atheism-Men remove God from any source but they create their own truths to replace God. Are atheists really moral?? How are their truths better?? Do they differ in their truths??
Animals have instinct and morals.
You don’t see monkeys or horses killing each other for the fun of it.
Bisexuality is common among giraffes, they don’t kill each other over it.
but you do see animals fighting over grounds by either injuring or killing rivals…take meercats. They fight…they kill. It isn’t natural for animals to kill because death wasn’t introduced (in my opinion) until Adam and Eve sinned…
GOD I HATE THAT STEREOTYPE! NO! I do not kill gays or suppress women! Our BISHOP is gay! All you atheists talk about are the extreme Christians, and I think they are just as crazy as you do
Rac_Rules - I think WALL·E was talking to Al-Bob there, but still, don’t take any questions personally. =)
Al-Bob, please preview your posts for clarity before posting. You should know better than to post without using full stops/periods and capatalising the appropriate words. It’s just plain laziness.
It’s one thing to argue that we shouldn’t do certain things because animals do, like killing, but it’s another to say that killing isn’t a natural part of the animal world. I’ll just entertain the Creationist timeline for a second and ask, then how would the animals have survived, especially the carnivores? Politely waited near an animal for it to die of old age so they can eat it?
But gays sure are, in your church, I would bet. And I’ve already argued against you about the gay issue and you lost miserably. I gave you tons of evidence supporting my theory that there is nothing wrong with being gay and the like, but you couldn’t come back with anything except what it says in a tattered old book. And why would God punish gays for being the way they are? He made them that way.
Pretty sick of him/her to punish someone for doing something of which they have no control. Just think about it: a person lives a pretty good life by most people’s standards, yet because they are gay, they are sent to burn in Hell for eternity. Pretty screwed up logic, if you ask me.
If they feel it was right for them to murder another person, then that would be their own personal truth. Would it be against the law in most developed countries of which they have created their own laws, yes it would. You’re acting that just because people create their own moral standards, that if you take away religion, people won’t have any sort of measuring stick to compare their morals to. I think they would, they’d have other people around them, the media, majority opinion and the law.
No…death didn’t enter into the world until Adam and Eve sinned so nobody would have died. That is why when we die and go to heaven we don’t die…we are “pure”.
Would you rather have me read passages from a newly printed bible instead?? Just out of curiosity what proof could i give you that would change your mind on Gays??
i still can’t imagine how our dna could hold the ability to do such things when it has been millions of years to develope now. How come only now that it is an issue that the dna for that ability has shown itself. I’m inclined to believe that the idea that you have no control over that is false.
So you believe in majority truths??
We would rather read passages from your head. Ask yourself what gays have done to deserve that punishment? Think about stuff.
Rac_Rules: It’s what your book says.