John Carter

Definitely a difficult to review movie. The film has plenty of great little character moments ([spoil]Carter’s first few minutes on the moon, the “handshake”, etc.[/spoil]) that are excellent on their own. But overall the story just feels muddy and undefined. What is there isn’t very distinct from other similar movies (probably in part due to the age of the source material, but still). Everything just quickly gets confusing as a dozen alien phrases and locales are thrown at us. It’s hard to tell if a longer runtime would’ve helped, as I’ve heard that there were some large cuts from the movie, but I think it would’ve been better if they tightened the story and clarified everything. I also think many of the characters (including Carter) tended to be a little flat and uninteresting. I wasn’t very strongly invested in the characters at all, with the exception of [spoil]during the fight scene intercut with Carter’s backstory about halfway through[/spoil], one of the stronger moments of the movie.

It’s definitely not a disaster though. Like I said, there are a lot of quirky little gems throughout the movie. The martians and the portrayal of their society is interesting when it’s not bogged down with politics and exposition, and there are some strong moments in the animation. Many scenes benefit from solid directing and editing, and the score is strong. Overall I did have a good time.

With a better screenplay, John Carter could’ve been a truly great movie and a potential franchise for Disney. But as it stands, it’s just a movie with the potential to be great. Beyond the screenplay, though, Stanton did do a good job and I’d recommend it to any fan of him.

The more I think about it, this movie’s strengths and flaws are very similar to those of the Tron movies

Bryko, that was an excellent review.

It first showed 10 days ago at midnite, a sneek peek. The trailer was underwhelming, lots of bravo and splash, but not any hints of a good story. I had high expectations, and had purposefully not come here or read anything about rottentomatoes, which still hovers around 50%. At boxofficemojo.com they talk about the intense interest this movie has generated as to how much the movie would earn, given the reported $250M price tag plus marketing which some say worldwide has escalated the price tag up to a nearly unequaled $400M (Avatar is the highest at $500M, some say). Such a high cost, coupled with the fact that there is a series of John Carter novels, means that Disney intends to release several of these and that the high production cost is pretty much a pre-production cost for future episodes.

No, I have not read the book, but I have a copy, illustrated, waiting to be read once I saw the movie. So I saw it Thurs at midnite, with 12 people in the non-3D theater. I was pretty much the only one reacting to things. No one else clapped at the ending, as the credits rolled.

I’ve met several women who were given the book by male or female friends and were told “now here is good science fiction to read.” This added to my high expectations, along with Stanton directing…

Movie review. Like what others above have said, and this in addition -

[spoil]The color palate for Mars was a bit off. It’s supposed to be orangey, with reds here, yellows there, and lots and lots of brownish-orangey colors. Animated movies are famous for their wild colors. Disney is supposed to have thousands of shades at the ready.[/spoil]

The selection for our Hero, Taylor K. something, well he was in Covenant and had the best scene in Snakes on a Plane, was a bit iffy. He certainly looks good, but I’ve noticed before that this actor’s voice isn’t very strong. You don’t select Colin Farrell to be Alexander, exhorting his troops, cuz Farrell lacks a powerful voice.

Yes, as has been mentioned, all the various alien races and factions get a bit confusing. That’s why I have the book. Perhaps Stanton felt that much of this would be explained in sequels. [spoil]The entry of Edgar Rice Burroughs himself into the movie was interesting. The inclusion of the race of guardians, trying to destroy Mars, and Earth, eventually, was an unexpected twist and provided for the only really unique characters in the movie.[/spoil]

After the movie was over, I gave it a grade of Excellent plus. Not extraordinary, like Nemo, or a masterpiece, like Wall-E. But after reading the book and seeing the movie one more time, I might feel otherwise. It’s completely obvious from the ending that Disney wants to continue this series.

In the Fandango interview, when asked why he didn’t razzle-dazzle the movie up to current standards, Stanton replied that he didn’t want to make it glitzy like current sci-fi films and that he wanted to be true to the original book and embrace it as a period film, to make it authentic.

I questioned how Stanton would make JC seem fresher, given that the original books served as major influences for sci-fi adventure films that have already been released, and really, it didn’t seem all that fresh to me. I’ll list what I did and didn’t like about it to make things simple.

Like: The look of Mars (some critics called it ugly, but I “get” what the filmmakers were going for), special effects, length, and I guess the Wulla was kind of ugly-cute but a painfully recognizable character type. I didn’t pay much attention to the score, but given that Michael Giacchino wrote it, I’d probably dig it. Ohhh, and like I said already, it was entertaining.

Dislike: Predictable screenplay (I could have written these lines!), pretty lame character played by Dominic West, somewhat confusing and disjointed storyline, whole beginning sequence, flat characters, the awkward editing (if I notice it’s bad, then it is bad), and weak handling of John Carter’s character. To comment on the latter, I’m not sure if it was just Taylor Kitsch’s performance that ruined the character, because I noticed that there were very very few close-ups of the character, which is a strange thing to do considering he’s the main character. I was never able to emotionally connect with him, and even if this is just a sci-fi action/adventure film, I should still be able to do that and care about the protagonist. I mean, when I see Taylor’s face clearly and am surprised to finally see what he looks like because he’s just been in medium/distant shots otherwise, that’s not a good sign.

I’m disappointed that this film only made 30M domestically over the weekend. I think some misguided marketing probably led to this and word of mouth certainly won’t help.

Oh,other things that annoyed me, as in Lord of the Rings, how do these people eat? You don’t see any farmland, or people doing their farming thing. Also, the sun should be noticeably dimmer, things just won’t be as bright 30-40M more miles distant. These are little things, but show that the filmmaker wasn’t paying attention to detail, or perhaps he is getting us used to suspending disbelief. There should really be some hugeismo canyons in this movie, you know, Martian sized. It is supposed to be Mars, you know.

As for what queen_of_painting is saying, yes you’re right about the main character. He does appear a bit weak. He is often strongest looking by not saying anything. Stanton doesn’t do close-ups of his face so as to show off his unique torso, which was used to advantage in several of his previous movies. I read somewhere that he was cast because this was a Disney movie and they needed a handsome young man to attract the girls, an integral part of ‘the family’. He played in a movie called Covenant, based in Ipswich, Mass., a few miles from where Stanton grew up, like only 5-10 lousy miles from where he grew up, so you can be sure that he saw it even tho it had a horrible 3% TM rating! That movie was made to have a sequel and it just did not elicit enough of a response. I liked it though and was very disappointed with no sequel. It did well in some countries. In this movie there were 5 young warlocks (male witches) who could cast spells, jump far and sorta fly, and were badboys when it came to fighting.

I can just imagine the look on Stanton’s face last year when he saw Cowboys and Aliens (a very similar movie, alien ships in canyons) and especially the part about Daniel Craig’s character [spoil]having his little family massacred[/spoil] while he was away. And then there were Indians! And did I mention a [spoil]cave with gold[/spoil]!? LOL. Did I mention that I would have loved to have seen Mr. Stanton’s face during all of this???! Men who can’t be there to protect their women, it’s become a very common driving force in today’s movies = think Gladiator.

I strongly advise you to put spoiler tags when writing stuff like that, DarkHandOfSigourneyWeaver.

Fellow members would be thankful.

queen_of_painting: I agree with a lot of your review.It’s interesting you mentioned G’s score, becaues I went into the movie wondering what it’d be like. And unlike most his movies, I never even noticed it. It just wasn’t interesting to be in my mind I suppose.

Yeah, I feel kind of bad. If I remember correctly it only made 30 million, and it’s budget (which was more than expected) was around 250 million. It got 2nd place Opening Weekend to The Lorax, which was in its 2nd week (which I liked way better, but I was really hoping for JC to do well, because I admire Andrew Stanton so. But no one has a perfect career, and Andrew’s has been sparkling to date.You win some and you loose some.

Disney marketed it, from what I saw from TV ads, to be the next big epic, saying “Before there was Star Wars there was John Carter” and “From the studio who brought you Pirates of the Carribean”. Then it lost a lot of money, and part of it I think might be the reviews it got. I mean, my paper’s headline was “Ridiculous, but fun”. At least it had the fun there.

JC made $70 million its first weekend overseas, I believe, so maybe that’ll help it break even… if it’s lucky? :laughing: I can forgive a director who can’t keep up with a spotless resume, but JC seems like a significant drop for a storyteller as talented as Stanton. I don’t think Finding Nemo and Wall-E were just lucky to have been so successful. He could have handled JC with better care, although I wouldn’t have been that disappointed if the movie simply received mediocre reviews (it’s more on the “bad” end).

I thought it was really awesome. The first 5 mins or so were confusing and a bit boring, but are totally worth it for the “ohhh now I get it” twist at the end. The 5 friends with me also thought it was great, and we knew nothing about it other than Andrew Stanton’s involvement and seeing the first trailer.

I did think things like “how does he breathe”, “what does he eat” and “Wouldn’t holding someone from Mars negate his jumping ability?” But I quickly forgot and didn’t care because the movie is fun :slight_smile:

I think a pretty good opportunity was lost, and Disney will probably torpedo any possible sequel.

Agreed, and it’s a real shame, I get the feeling a lot was left out to be further explained/shown in a sequel. The marketing was really bad. I only went to see it because I was a fan of Andrew Stanton’s previous work and I read about his sincere passion for the movie. These two things should have been front and centre of the advertising. That’s how I convinced my doubting friends to come :slight_smile:

I doubt they will make a sequel

  1. The first one was way over budget
  2. The first one flopped in the box office
  3. The first one got bad reviews and didn’t sell the exptected amount of tickets

Will Disney really want to risk doing a sequal?

I guess since it underperformed I guess they won’t.

Pity.

I haven’t seen it yet, but this looked like a franchise that could use (and improve over) some sequels.

I still want to see it.

Nearly everyone here says it was fun, and it was, so why not see it, despite its shortcomings.

Box Office. It was released in like all the overseas markets, except China and Japan. Burroughs was American, so don’t expect any boost in Britain or Belgium, like with Tin Tin. It seems to have picked up a few million in box in Britain and Australia, but the breakdown is spotty and hard to find. That Lorax movie ended very predictably, altho it was nice earlier on.

Yeah, the trailers weren’t as bad as for Cars2, but you could kind of tell that something wasn’t quite right. Come to think of it, if you watch the ads for Wall-E, they are oriented for kids. Many, many guys who came out of the movie claimed that it wasn’t at all like the ads, that it was created with them in mind too. They went to see Wall-E because of the outstanding reviews, because it was Pixar and Pixar had been good to them so far, and in the hope that it wasn’t just all kid stuff. So this is some sort of game, and they often don’t play fair for us the potential audience.

Boxofficemojo.com is comparing this movie’s performance to Disney’s The Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, which ended up making $90M, but that movie was released on May 28th 2010, during the crowded summer, so Carter should do better.

Let’s take a look at the performance of remakes of famous sci-fi ‘period’ movies: War of the Worlds and The Time Machine. Critics had problems with both, but Spielberg/Cruise sailed far and away in spite of them getting a 74% rating. Take a hard look at the difference between it and the 1953 version: it was updated technologically, the aliens weren’t necessarily from Mars, the means of conveyance, insertion into the attack vessels, the ‘tripods’, and how the tripods came to be here, all different and exhilarating! The attack moved from London in the book, to New York in the Mercury Theater radio presentation, to Los Angeles in the '53 movie, then back to New York City and upstate N.Y. and New England. Many people savaged the over-interest in Cruise’s little family, while everyone else was expendable. In the end, it was still bacteria that did the job, altho large swaths of the illiteracy needed Morgan Freeman’s spoon feeding to get it, and some still didn’t… Many, many of the people who didn’t like that movie could not understand how the aliens died, what a laugh, so I’m sure many of the critics weren’t far behind. This remake was definitely not an authentic ‘period’ film, as Stanton wanted the look and feel of J.C. to be.

The other H.G. Wells movie, Time Machine was released a few years earlier and didn’t do well at all, even with outstanding Jeremy Irons playing the cerebral leader of one of the evolved forms, the Morlocks. The director was Wells’ descendant. The setting was also moved from London to N.Y.C. area, and had a substantial script rewrite. There were some new wonderful sci-fi story concepts, including a still existing library robot ‘know-it-all’ and the Uber-Morlock telepathic leader. These were panned by the critics, but updating and change in the story is mandatory if you’re going to have a remake at all, not just adding CG erosion algorithms. But it just didn’t have the soul of the earlier film, of 1960, and got a 29% TM rating. There were lots of theories, some saying it depended on gadgets too much. I think that the 1960 film showed the romantic, utopian pining of a scientific inventor, a strength that the new lead couldn’t muster. Since Wells depended on leaps of technology to excite his reading audience, the same had to be done in 2002. If I were a screenwriter, the story would involve a modern day applied physics researcher proposing a time machine, and actually getting into some of the advanced physics concepts, of which there is a currently untested theoretical exposition, rather than just coming up with some gadget out of whole cloth. Many would find that boring, and they would have a point, since 94% of the population is scientifically illiterate, but not quite that many are sci-fi illiterate. A remake of this particular tale MUST have new future science in it early in the script. I like the driving force of the 2002 release: the scientist’s wife dies and he invents a machine to go back in time and prevent her death. That she dies again, right away, from another cause, is a theme that has already been explored in other films such as 2004’s Butterfly Effect and one of the 70’s Superman movies. It’s a kind of obvious consequence of tinkering with the past, a retread. Having the atom-bombed Moon destroy the Earth, it’s not good science and it takes away a lot of the mystery as to where everyone went. No previous treatment tried to understand the Morlocks, and perhaps that was a mistake: that the bad guy needs to appear remorselessly incorrigible. In recent years, that concept has been challenged with bad guys often having reasonable motivations, instead of being evil for evil’s sake. (I like Stanton’s treatment of Auto, he is only following his directives, and hasn’t really had the opportunity to be derailed from his programming, to be set offtrack like how Mo was in the spaceship dock.)

Some say that Wells lacked the emotive force of current filmmakers, he certainly had a somewhat harsh underclass upbringing. Notice that it was bacteria, not human bravado or intervention of some sort, that finishes off the aliens, and that in the year 800,000 that the hero faces insurmountable odds. Just as an example of his intellect, he and his son, sometime around 1920 gave a talk where they were asked what aliens might look like. They answered that they would be so radically different and evolved that we both could go right past each other without even noticing. That sure isn’t what today’s astrobiologists are saying, but it makes wonderful sci-fi. Remember: “Pure energy” Mr. Spock. I would imagine that such an alien would look like a wisp of fog passing along the way, a consequence of the marine layer and hot desert winds intertwining, and that we would appear as some sort of rolling stone, tall and symmetrical and eventually finding repose, a phenomenon not unseen along sandy collapsing beach cliffs. But ‘pure energy’ becomes quickly boring to look at, so don’t expect any filmmakers to hop on it.

Well, the Time Machine newest version got worse critics than Carter.

But Spielberg’s War of the Worlds, while one of the lower rated in his filmography isn’t a bad film at all (my, 74% is a very good score!), even when it was a very free adaptation of the source material and only kept the basic concept of it. The film lacked a lot in the script department (David Koepp isn’t always reliable), but featured superior craftsmanship and a wonderful use of atmosphere that set it apart from most invasion films.

I still haven’t seen Carter, but it’s interesting that you compared to these two adaptations of science fiction classics, even when Wells and Burroughs styles are completely different (and as I said, I think it’s the complexity of the original source that creates some of the film’s problems, for what I’ve heard).

I just hope it’s more like War of the Worlds and less like The Time Machine in terms of film making strengths.