I wouldn’t. If that was the Incredibles sequel, I would seriously not know what to do. I would be very unhappy, I know that.
Hey it’s just an idea. But hey, don’t judge early before you give it a try.
I’m not judging. I wouldn’t like a movie about Violet. The end.
I would. But I think that they wouldn’t put the entire focus on her. It would be nice if they did put a little more.
I don’t know, she just really bugs me. I would find the shift of weight distracting.
I can see. SHe is kinda super anorexic for her age. or maybe it was a character design choice by Pixar. but either way, people agree that she is one of the more underrated characters in the movie. Most girls could relate to her, and most people want to see more of her development. She’s got the confidence now. What shall she do with it? Or will she gain too much confidence to the point of becoming arrogant?
She is not under rated. 90% of the fan base is a fan because of her. It’s the most annoying thing ever. And I do not care what she looks like, though I do think Helen is much prettier. I just dislike her personality.
I don’t dislike Violet, but I also don’t understand why the fan base seems to place so much importance on her. Its sort of like with Randall, who isn’t the biggest part of Monsters Inc, and yet most of the movie’s fans obsess over him all the time. A sequel to the Incredibles would need to feature the whole family equally, because they are all important. That’s one of the things I like about the Incredibles, its hard to place who the main character really is, because the each member of the family is crucial to the story.
That’s true. But I personally believe Mr. Incredible is the main focus, as the entire movie and even the family is centered around his midlife crisis and unhappiness. But I agree on that it makes no sense why everyone worships Violet. I really don’t hate her, I’m just very annoyed with the fanbase being centered around her, when for me, she was by far my least favorite Incredible family member. To my knowledge, only one member on PP agrees with me that she’s annoying, and she doesn’t post often. But I’m just so tired of seeing a million Violet pictures, stories and fans for every 10 fans of anyone else. Syndrome, Mirage, and Violet lovers make up most of the base. Nutty, since one is the supreme villain, one is his guiltless, rather loose flunkie, and one is a selfish, self-concious brat.
Ouch, that’s pretty harsh.
She’s an underated movie character. And that is the reason why she has a lot of fans. Not only because people, especially teenaged girls, can relate to her, but she didn’t had a lot of time in the movie. Which was fine, I understand whay Brad Bird did it. THe focus was on Mr. Incredible and Violet is a very complex character to animate. you find it annoying. And that’s fine. But the fact that she has a giant fanbase makes me very happy that she gets fan attention when Brad Bird had to limit her time. That is something incredible in my opinion.
I personally disagree that she was a brat and selfish. Self-conscious, yes. i see. Teenaged girls start becoming body conscious when they reach that age. But a brat and selfish? i could prably see where she is. But I’m gonna need solid proof to decide that. Can you name me a scene IV? I’m curious.
THat part of your post made me smile. And I agree on the character equality, but that would be very hard. I would enjoy more focus on the other characters aside with the main character. But it’s hard to focus the plot and include the multitude of characters and maintaining character development.
THat part of your post made me smile. And I agree on the character equality, but that would be very hard. I would enjoy more focus on the other characters aside with the main character. But it’s hard to focus the plot and include the multitude of characters and maintaining character development.
Four (or five counting Jack-Jack) is not a large number of characters. Look at Toy Story or Cars, both had huge casts. Pixar could easily do a good story with the whole family, they don’t have to pick just one character to focus on. That would go against what I consider the main point of the movie, which is that even though they are super-heroes they are still a family too. Its all about their relationship as a family, and how their superpowers affect it. Focusing on just one of them more than the others would ruin that.
I also don’t see what you mean about Violet being ignored by Brad Bird. She had ample screen time, and was well developed as a character. There was nothing more that could be done with her without her taking over and making it her movie.
And Virginia, I think you are right about Mr. Incredible being the main focus, but its just that his character arc is so centered around his family that its hard to say that they are any less important to the movie than he is. Its not as clear cut as Carl being the main character in Up, or Woody in TS3. In both of those movies, its clearly about one character and the challenges they face. In the Incredibles it really is all about their family when you get down to it, its the heart of the film. Sorry if this isn’t clear enough.
Great idea about having the movie focused on the relationships. And I see what you mean by having the movie focus on all of the characters. i thought you meant have each of the characters play the role of a main character. My mistake.
I think Violet was not ignored by Brad. I’m think I misspoken, but I think Violet could’ve had more scenes. For instance, Dash had a 100 Mile Dash sequence, maybe Violet could have her own extended action scenes. (I don’t know. It’s just me).
That makes sense, Reaper. I know what you mean. And I wasn’t trying to argue or anything, I just took it as pretty clear that Mr. I was the main protagonist.
No, that is not harsh. It’s my opinion. Now, why.
Why is she selfish?
It’s always her problems. She does not care that Bob is totally unhappy, or about how much her mother does for her. This is a character trait, and I can not offer one scene. Watch the movie. Even when they’re falling from the plane, she is more concerned for herself than her unconcious mother. That is not acceptable.
Why is she a brat?
This has to do a lot with the first question. She does not respect or appreciate her mother and everything she does for her. She keeps Dash reeling. He should behave as well, but the older sibling should be the example for the younger kids. Vi is never that.
Self Concious
This is not unrealistic, or even a fault. I just greatly dislike characters(and am annoyed by people sometimes) who are afraid to live. They do not act like themselves out of fear of rejection. This is weak and not a very bold or fun way to live. The end.
Now, keep in mind I do not hate Violet. I like her, particularly at the end of the film, when she acts like a person finally, and is more open to spending time and talking with the family. These are just things that strike me each time I watch the movie. If anything, most of my resentment for her(and Mirage) is from the fan base, not the movie. I get very annoyed with everything being Violet this and Vi that. It drives me batty, and that is all I have to say on that issue.
On VIolet’ Selfishness
To call Violet selfish when she’s falling out of a plane, afraid of her life? THat shocks me. Why? Because it is natural human behavior to scream for your life when you’re in danger. She was afraid of not surviving the fall after the plane exploded. She loves her mom. I know she does. But when you’re life is in danger, the one thing in your mind you are hoping for is survival. I don’t see how that is selfish when VIolet is screaming for her life. Let’s not mention that she is a young character and probably has never been in a life or death situation
I’m sure she cares about her mom and dad. In fact, I know she does. When the family all met each other again in the jungle, they were all happy to see each other. VIolet even says before the giant adorable group hug, “We were so worried about you.” That quote is a subtle way to say, “I’m so glad to see you again and to have another chance to be with the family I love.”
On VIolet being a Brat
I’m sure VIolet is appreciative of her parents. There isn’t a lot of scenes to show that. But noticable examples include VIolet tanking her father after he complemented on her wearing her hair back. And like I said in the first counterarguement, she cares for her famliy and she loves them clearly.
This ties into the first one as well, but let’s take the scene with Bob and Helen argueing after Helen caught Bob coming home after performing moonlighting hero work. She was eavesdropping on her family. I’m pretty sure that she was concered about the security and the well-being for her famly. I know that when I was her age, when my mom and dad were arguing, I would always try to listen in, hoping the word “divorce” would never come up in the conversation. Violet, as well as Dash, were eavesdropping to make sure that no matter what happens, they would still be a family.
Fast forward to the cave scene. Violet was indeed worried that her “mom’s and dad’s lives could be in jeopardy. Or worse… their marriage.” This shows how VIolet is not only worried about the safety of her mom and dad too, but assuming that everyone made it off od the island alive, that they would still be a family. Violet is not selfish. She isn’t a brat. She cares about the family she loves.
I agree with you that Violet should set an example. However, Violet is a teenager. Teens are at the crossroads between a girl and a woman (in Violet’s case). She wants to set an example for Dash. She tries to be good to him, but like all sibling rivalries, fights break out. It’s natural. But that doesn’t mean that she isn’t a good example for Dash. When VIolet was put in charge on Nomanisan island, she wanted Dash to stay hidden. If he went outside, he could’ve gotten lost, or maybe seriously hurt. She was put in charge of his safety as well as hers. And while teens have their ways of showing how they care about their little siblings, deep down, they do inded love them and would never want anything bad to heppen to them.
Violet’s Self-conscousness
Violet is self conscious because of her insecurity. I understand that you don’t like those kinds of cahracters. I am not going to force you to change your mind. I just want explain reasons for her self-consciousness.
Violet is at that age where she is interested in people of the opposite sex. I’m taling about boys, Tony Rydinger in particular. Teenagers are very sensitive people. In our hearts, we want to tell people we are attracted to how we feel about them. What we like about them. But in our minds, we are afraid of what they’ll say. How will they react. Will they laugh at us or humiliate us. it is human nature to feel this way. That is a lot of pressure to be put on a single indiviual person.
Violet likes Tony. We see that one look at him takes her breath away. But she is insecure about herself. I’m confident that she is thinking that he is a popular guy. Girls all over the school are a magnet to him. But to VIolet, she believes that Tony doesn’t think that she exist. She doesn’t think that she has a chance to go out with him, and should she ask, she could be humiliated throughout the school. I know I felt that way. And a lot of shy teens feel that way too.
And Violet’s self consciousness was significant to the movie. From the start, she is a shy person. And the movie is a (somwwhat) epic journey for her to find her confidence and her identity. If she was confident to begin with and confident at the end, then the audience would have nothing to connect with her, nothing to build with her.
I understand that Violet has lots of fans, and those arguments make sense to me. But, like Ariel and other characters I don’t adore, I won’t like her no matter how rational her behaviors are. I do not like her, and I’ve explained why. I don’t expect anyone to agree with me, especially since nobody does. That’s just what I think of her.
Oh that makes sense to me. I understand that you don’t like her. And I’m not trying to convince you or force you to like her. I apologize if it felt that way.
No, I didn’t think you were trying to change my mind. I understand if my criticisms of her character are a little…rude and over reactive a lot of times, but I try not to be rude or tasteless or attack other arguments. I do try to be polite. I just fail sometimes.
We all try to be nice and end up being only honest. It’s okay. I’ve done it in the past. But all’s forgiven.
Okay people, back on the TI sequel topic again…
I think the problem with Violet has to be her uncertainty about life and how everything is so based on performance. Her life is pretty much based on trophies and bad guys taken in. A good way to pull Violet out into the light would be to have her revolt against the norm and walk away from “Superness”…this would make her rely on something other then performance for a reason to live. If she could also see how flawed and imperfect the world is (Tony does something/friend does something) she could also realize how much supers are just as imperfect as the world around them. Violet needs to draw her confidence from something other then her family (not that its wrong) because that is all her identity is built out of right now. We need to re-identify Violet with something that she can latch onto.